Trump to win?

[Milton Kuo]

Re: Trump to win?

i'm not convinced by his argument that the salary class were the main beneficiaries of the immiseration of the wage class, as opposed to the investment class whose corporate investments profited immensely from "the global labor arbitrage" [as it's called in polite company].

If you consider the [upper] management class as part of the salary class, then the author is correct. Otherwise, the salary class has lost defined-benefit pensions and paid overtime (it's remarkable the type of entry-levelish jobs that are considered exempt due to their "managerial/supervisory" nature); and has faced declining or stagnant wages due to outsourcing, off-shoring, and foreign labor.

The management class has one foot in the salary class and one foot in the investment class through often outrageous stock option grants.

[bpr]

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Everything that happens now is in their hands, and shows their skill and wisdom, and theirs alone.
May they go down in history as providing us many years of blissful peace and prosperity.

Amen. Let them drain the swamp while Democrats attempt to rebuild some sort of constituency.

Trump might be coming in as the most disliked president-elect ever. Except maybe one, who turned out ok.

Maybe history will come around to him, too.

[jk]

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this is an interesting piece written in JANUARY of this year, about the trump phenomenon.

http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.c...esentment.html

i'm not convinced by his argument that the salary class were the main beneficiaries of the immiseration of the wage class, as opposed to the investment class whose corporate investments profited immensely from "the global labor arbitrage" [as it's called in polite company]. nonetheless, it's an interesting read, and quite insightful. especially for a piece written nearly a year ago.

btw, i don't recall how i got to that piece. it may be that someone here on itulip posted it some time back. if so, thanks to that poster.

[wayiwalk]

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A shocking result. The dems f*'d themselves by letting the Clinton machine take it to where she did. I think the email/Benghazi thing, she could have skated if it was just that. But there were too many people holding their nose over the CGI scandal brewing.....too many years (decades) of smoke without being able to find the fire, and maybe the wikileaks put some more light on the fact that there probably was fire.

Just like the repubs need to clean house, the same can be said for the democrats organization.

Even if "that's the way politics is done" regarding the "do whatever it takes to win" of Bob Creamer, who, as a husband of a US Congresswoman, should know better, the folks that see their party for representing its values, and not the darker side of things, probably had a tough time supporting her. I'd guess that lots of folks who supported Obama just couldn't in Hillary's case.

Both of my college aged kids said, "forget it. We're not voting for either." My daughter was too young in 2008 and 2012, but I'm pretty sure my son voted for Obama. Hillary definitely lost that support. She made sure of that in her handling of Sanders.

If you look at Gary Johnson, he did quite well as these things go. Does anybody know how it compared to prior presidential elections? Can't say he was a spoiler, but certainly it will be interesting to see who was voting for him.

If Trump turns out to be the violent evil rapist bigoted woman rights hater that he is shown to be, I'll be shocked, too. Will he be successful in achieving what he is setting out to do? No fricking way.

This site has been all about the underlying structural fiscal problems that face this country / world. No one administration can address that successfully.

I think Peter Theil's assessment of the country's problems was spot on.

The next 4 years are going to suck, but in a different way than Hillary's next 4 years would have made things.

Good luck, all!

[jk]

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The measure of a civilization is how it treats its weakest members.

[gwynedd1]

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even if roe v wade goes, the issue would devolve to the states. women with money, wherever they live, will have access to safe abortions. women without money... not so much.

Its still bad law. The other choice is to have the federal government pass a law which implicitly puts it in the power of a central government, which means it can just as easily be reversed.
In a world of political compromise, I prefer the states.

[Milton Kuo]

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yes, he isn't clear on a lot of policies apparently, but on abortion:

That is not an entirely clear position. Whether Trump is waffling or if he is truly uncertain about what a punishment should be is unknown. When it comes to abortion activists, it is like dealing with religious zealots. I have met some of those people and Trump's statement of his position is nothing like that of the zealots'.

Only time will tell. Abortion is a distraction from the key issues facing the country. If Trump is serious about a renewal of the American infrastructure, he's got far, far bigger fish to fry than to waste time on abortion.

For the record, I believe abortion is a terrible thing but should be legal up to a limit (first trimester or so). Abortion, like drugs and alcohol during the Prohibition era, will not go away if made illegal. The best resolution to abortion is easy, affordable availability of contraceptives; easy access and affordability of pre-natal care; and good-quality education for both men and women on the importance of being careful to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

and that's beyond stupid. No one is coming to Canada to ruin the country lol. Its a bunch of hyperbole. I worry about trump and trump alone

I am not saying they are going to Canada with the intent of ruining Canada. It will be a side effect of them promoting policies that correspond to how they think things ought to be. They seem to have blindspots for the nasty side effects.

I don't foresee any real negative effects on Canada from a Trump presidency. Canada is a first world nation with first world wages creating first-world products. I very seriously doubt Trump's threats to renegotiate trade agreements will affect Canada very much. Americans are not complaining about illegal Canadian immigrants or "off-shoring" to Canada.

[verdo]

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I do not recall Trump taking any stance on abortion. If I were you, I'd worry far less about Trump's effect on the U.S. and the world and would worry more about the effect of HRC supporters rushing in to Canada. They're coming to ruin your country.

yes, he isn't clear on a lot of policies apparently, but on abortion:

and that's beyond stupid. No one is coming to Canada to ruin the country lol. Its a bunch of hyperbole. I worry about trump and trump alone

[lektrode]

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Although not yet 100% sure, it appears the alt-right has control of the US. Trump supporters wanted to break the party system ....

again, the crony capitalist weeps only for himself..

I was just trying to think of all the things that will disappear quickly; renewable energy, the Affordable Care Act, Dodd Frank, foreign trade,

you and the rest of your dirtbag political pals - who've supported the most inept, corrupt and bought-off administration iN US History...

who've ignored the rampant and blatant criminal activities that have so overshadowed ANY of the so-called progress that was RAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS since the 'great bailout OF 2008-09' of their largest campaign contributors...

along with 2nd BIGGEST FRAUD OF ALL TIME, known as 'the affordable care act'

both of which have caused more economic damage to The Rest of US
than ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED DURING THE 1930'S

and HITLERY - THAT LYING LOSER PSYCHOPATH - HAS NO ONE TO BLAME BUT HERSELF



HILLARY FOR PRISON!

ALONG WITH ALL HER BANKSTER BUDDIES

AUDIT THE FED, now

[lektrode]

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....
The election of Trump is a repudiation of the corrupt cabal of the neocon machine: the Democratic and the Republican parties, the Clintons, the media, and the dirty tricks of the Democratic party that make Nixon look relatively honest.

+1000

HILLARY FOR PRISON, now.

[Milton Kuo]

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anyone able to get a hold of EJ. i am damn curious to hear his view on this. Im still in dismay...

P.S. how much you be feeling if you're a liberal woman right now. Say bye bye to any reproductive rights you thought you had

I do not recall Trump taking any stance on abortion. If I were you, I'd worry far less about Trump's effect on the U.S. and the world and would worry more about the effect of HRC supporters rushing in to Canada. They're coming to ruin your country.

Meanwhile, Trump's acceptance speech last night was overwhelmingly spent talking about infrastructure projects and putting all Americans--regardless of color or political affiiliation--to work. I do not recall one negative word said.

The Democrats brought this upon themselves. Had Sanders not been cheated out of the Democratic nomination for president, I suspect he would have mopped the floor with Trump.

The election of Trump is a repudiation of the corrupt cabal of the neocon machine: the Democratic and the Republican parties, the Clintons, the media, and the dirty tricks of the Democratic party that make Nixon look relatively honest.

[jk]

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as i've said before, globally we are repeating the 1930's, this time - i hope - as farce.

[thriftyandboringinohio]

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Well now conservative republicans control

The US house
The US Senate
The presidency
The supreme court
and 30 of our 50 state governments

They control it all top-to-bottom, end-to-end

Everything that happens now is in their hands, and shows their skill and wisdom, and theirs alone.
May they go down in history as providing us many years of blissful peace and prosperity.

Just in case they fail to measure up, I still have physical gold in my control and can scoot my family out in a hurry.

P.S. If anyone happens to have lunch with someone at the top of the democratic party, please point out that their only job was to elect people to offices, and they have quite literally lost it all in a multi-year complete and total failure. They may wish to reconsider their career choice.

[jk]

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P.S. how much you be feeling if you're a liberal woman right now. Say bye bye to any reproductive rights you thought you had

even if roe v wade goes, the issue would devolve to the states. women with money, wherever they live, will have access to safe abortions. women without money... not so much.

[verdo]

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anyone able to get a hold of EJ. i am damn curious to hear his view on this. Im still in dismay...

P.S. how much you be feeling if you're a liberal woman right now. Say bye bye to any reproductive rights you thought you had