Trump to win?

[gwynedd1]

Re: Trump to win?

I don't think it's so confusing. Hillary voted for the Iraq War. Obama didn't. Obama doesn't want to start trouble with Russia. Hillary does. "The Democrats" are not a monolithic group. Now we hear what team Hillary has to say. Team Hillary has a TON of neocon support. Team Obama had none. As much as both the Trump and the Clinton campaigns have been telling you she's the third Obama administration, at least in terms of foreign policy, she's nothing of the sort. She's probably closer to the third W. Bush administration in that regard.

Trump seems to have caused the flea infested rats to run from the listing Republican boat and on to the matron voyage of HMS Dreadhaute. Glamor , meet neocon. The worst of both parties is all aboard. It used to be a choice of a pittance to the middle class for the price of militancy with the other option being a round of incremental socialism being the cost of a brief respite of war. What a grab to say the least. They thought perhaps there was no need to even sacrifice a single issue on this one.

Obama was complicit in the escalation yet more war , but it that took prodding. HRC is the whole globalist package.

[dcarrigg]

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I'm so confused. In 2012 President Obama told the USA and Romney that Russia is not our enemy and the cold war was over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1409sXBleg

Today the Democrats tell us that the Russians, yes the evil Russians, are conspiring with Trump to hand him the election.

I'm so confused .... our leaders wouldn't lie.

I don't think it's so confusing. Hillary voted for the Iraq War. Obama didn't. Obama doesn't want to start trouble with Russia. Hillary does. "The Democrats" are not a monolithic group. Now we hear what team Hillary has to say. Team Hillary has a TON of neocon support. Team Obama had none. As much as both the Trump and the Clinton campaigns have been telling you she's the third Obama administration, at least in terms of foreign policy, she's nothing of the sort. She's probably closer to the third W. Bush administration in that regard.

[BK]

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I'm so confused. In 2012 President Obama told the USA and Romney that Russia is not our enemy and the cold war was over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1409sXBleg

Today the Democrats tell us that the Russians, yes the evil Russians, are conspiring with Trump to hand him the election.

I'm so confused .... our leaders wouldn't lie.

[Woodsman]

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Santa, I know this is tough for you. You've invested so much into this election, your common sense, critical faculties, and decency to name a few. And now it looks like it may have been all for nothing.

On Tuesday I night, I'll fall to sleep same as I did 364 nights before it no matter who gets to sit in the big chair. What will you do? Will you rejoice with tears streaming down your face now that the moment is at last here?

Or should it come to pass that this nefarious international conspiracy with the FBI, the KGB, and the GOP working together with the KKK and 4chan to re-establish the Confederacy and Jim Crow white supremacy under the banner of a smirking frog succeed, what then?




What does one do if they really believe that a grand international conspiracy between the FBI and KGB is afoot:

"So the Russian government, the FBI, (and it now appears, up to and including the director), and the alt right are all working together to take down HRC..."

Because all I see is two possibilities here - either as you say, we have crossed the Rubicon, or you are in the middle of a psychotic breakdown.

[Woodsman]

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I know what you mean. What a great liar she is! It's hard for me to imagine the psychology required for her to keep it together knowing she is responsible for the disasters unfolding across the Middle East and at home. If I had the responsibility for the mountains of generational, cross border death and suffering that Condi carries, I don't think I could handle it with half her grace and charm.

The fear of eventual prosecution for my crimes alone, no matter how remote and unlikely, would haunt me, never mind the guilt. It's nice that we treat our war criminals with such comfortable sinecures and that must help relieve the pressure.

[lakedaemonian]

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As for electing a woman, why don't Condoleezza Rice offer to be or rather is put up for Presidency?

I had the chance to meet Condoleeza Rice a few months ago.

There was significant discussion in orbit around her during the lead up and following, specifically regarding her candidacy prospects in 2020. She deferred of course.

In my interaction with her, which included a couple very direct questions, I was genuinely impressed with her responses.

A fair few of her Stanford GSB colleagues have cheeky signs on their office doors such as "Rice/Lazear 2020".

[touchring]

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It seems unlikely. There will be additional issues after the election as this candidate only respects himself and has no respect for our system of government. His supporters are of the same mind. I've said it before, we're still fighting the Civil War in the US. I don't think people outside the US get this. We look like a bunch of idiots letting such a complete Neanderthal, (sorry folks with some Neanderthal heritage), have a chance to run the largest economic power in the world.

It's the economy. When the going gets tough, and jobs are scarce, you need to put the blame on someone or some group of people that are different from you - be it ethnicity, religion (Paks vs Indians, Arab Shiites vs Sunnis) or region.

Nassim Taleb says that who gets to be the US President matters more to the outside world than the majority of Americans, and I would like to add - at least in the short term.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/03/black...residency.html

He also said a Clinton presidency may not be disruptive domestically, but would be overseas. Taleb said Clinton is likely to be an interventionist internationally.


Taleb said Trump would be less likely to intervene in events overseas and would try to go with the prevailing winds among voters. Hypothetically speaking, if Trump felt that voters didn't care about events in a place like Egypt, Taleb said ,Trump wouldn't want to act against what voters want.

[santafe2]

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and never mind how obozocare has caused the entire med-insurance fraud-industrial complex
to WIPE OUT THE JOB MARKET FOR ANYBODY OVER FIFTY!??

So I'm assuming you're over 50 lek and can't get a job. You hate the president and blame him for your situation. You are, of course, not responsible for your situation. It's the black guy who screwed you over. Are you a new white socialist who blames others for your problems? Excellent comrade, you must be proud of yourself. I'm sure everyone "over fifty" will rally behind you. Sorry, I couldn't crayon up the post like you did.

[santafe2]

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@stantafe2
Wait, are you saying the election is rigged?

Who the hell are you? Have you added some substantive content to iTulip? You find election rigging funny?

Idiot.

Please, never respond again.

[santafe2]

Re: Trump to win?

So it's true that Trump will win?

It seems unlikely. There will be additional issues after the election as this candidate only respects himself and has no respect for our system of government. His supporters are of the same mind. I've said it before, we're still fighting the Civil War in the US. I don't think people outside the US get this. We look like a bunch of idiots letting such a complete Neanderthal, (sorry folks with some Neanderthal heritage), have a chance to run the largest economic power in the world.

If HRC wins on Tuesday, this issue of white privilege and especially male white privilege is not going to be put on the back burner in the US after the election. It feels like there's a showdown coming. Woody was talking earlier in this thread about the 2nd Amendment and gun rights. In the US that's white guy code for killing people they disagree with unless those people get in line.

Electing a woman as president in the US will only be the next step in a long journey. I've no expectation it will be easy.

[santafe2]

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ld-be-immense/

You are of course right but don't expect any support here on iTulip's old white boy network. There was a black guy elected as president, twice. This board hates him. The economy has moved forward fairly well in spite of Republican obstructionism but they hate him. It's not racism of course, these Jim Crow bastards just hate him....well, because.

The new fearless leader they hope to elect is the racist leader of the Birther movement. Now they have to face the idea of a woman leading the country. Imagine their angst if their misogynistic leader loses and they can no longer "just grab [women] by the pussy". Disgusting.

They're showing a lot of bravado this week as they still think they can Make America White Again, subjugate women again and continue to demean anyone who doesn't fit their ideal of America with white guys in charge.

These people hate modern America. Look at the voting demographics. Old white guys and under educated white people. That is Trump's base and apparently it's also iTulip's base.

I've been somewhat surprised that no one else on this thread has championed this position, HRC will make a good president. The country and the ROW can continue to move forward.

Here's a few minutes of DJT in case anyone has forgotten what a complete ass the iTulip-sphere will apparently be voting for:

[touchring]

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So it's true that Trump will win? Unless there is rigging, but even rigging will only work if the difference is low <1%, otherwise it will be too obvious. From the look of it, Trump will win by 3-4% margin.

So FBI James Comey obviously knows things the public don't so he decides to get onto the right side?

[santafe2]

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I know the cognitive dissonance of having a Donald Trump (Donald Friggin' Trump!) fight the "smartest person in the world" to a draw must be excruciating to suffer. That on top of the fact that he's doing it against the headwind of the combined resources of the DNC machine (and even his own party), the news and entertainment media, and seemingly the whole of the establishment nomeklatura, well that must be so maddening and infuriating. I mean, it's Donald Trump? WTF? This was not supposed to happen!

Apparently a faction of the good old white boys at the FBI are heading up "Trumpland" and reading alt-right, (white nationalist), propaganda and using that nonsense as a starting point for their "investigation" of HRC. The book; "Clinton Cash", written by Peter Schweizer is reported to be the source these alt-right fascists in the FBI are using as their source material.

Schweizer is also the president of the Government Accountability Institute (GAI). The co-founder of GAI is...wait for it...this is pretty funny...even the clan might scratch their little heads...Steve Bannon. Maybe you've heard of him.

So the Russian government, the FBI, (and it now appears, up to and including the director), and the alt right are all working together to take down HRC.

Y'all must be so proud of the company you keep.

[lektrode]

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@stantafe2
Wait, are you saying the election is rigged?

nah... he's just parroting the DNC aparatchik party line.

it goes something like this:

as long as the hillamonster murmurs the soothing words - or propaganda, depending on one's POV -
you know, that the 'social justice worriers' and 'identity politix' crowd
(all suckers for the biggest con in US history) are listening & agitating for?

they and all the crony capitalists - like santafe - since he's already identified himself STAUNCHLY as
a CRONY CAPITALIST

like, how so - in case you might've missed it ?

HE WAS IN THE ALTERNATIVE ENERGY/SOLAR BIZ - until just recently, apparently (from his own words)
until he moved into the 'healthcare/medical sector' - which is where THE REAL MONEY IS...now, that is - like...

after 'they had to pass it to see what was in it' ???

and so, as long as hitlery murmers those soothing words,
like 'marriage' rights, 'bathroom' rights for the gender-confused, 'the war against women', etc ad nauseum ?

all of the 'with her' crowd

which ARE the REAL 'low info voters' (or are HIGHLY CONNECTED DEMS)

will back her to the hilt

never mind how those 'with her' f__ked-over bernie, IN PURELY RIGGED
AND FRAUDULENT 'elections' (which makes bernie a patsy/chump for endorsing her)

never mind how much she gets for private audience speeches for golden slacks, citi-swank, jpmorgue
and the rest of TBTF inc, aka the 'financial-fraud industrial complex'

along with 'working class heros'
like jorge soros that 'donate' 100's of MILLIONS to the so-called clinton 'charitable' foundation

which pays out 90% of the take in salaries & 1st class expenses to all of the DNC party apaRATchix it 'employs'

and never mind how obozocare has caused the entire med-insurance fraud-industrial complex
to WIPE OUT THE JOB MARKET FOR ANYBODY OVER FIFTY!??

nah... santa would never think 'the election is rigged'

unless, of course - the donald actually wins - then...

it'll be all putin's fault ??

AS IF nothing the FBI has turned up suggests that the entire 'investigation' was rigged
and NOTHING BUT pure DEMORAT POLITICAL MEDIA-SPIN

AND ALL OF IT, 'courtesy of' the holder-overs within the dept of juice-tess,
all of whom are beholden to OR EMPLOYED DIRECTLY-BY the CCC (clinton criminal conspiracy)

purely ala the movie
WAG THE DOG

[Jam]

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@stantafe2
Wait, are you saying the election is rigged?