Trump to win?

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The All-Seeing Simpsons Predicted Donald Trump’s Presidency in 2000

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The All-Seeing Simpsons Predicted Donald Trump’s Presidency in 2000

[Milton Kuo]

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As one who seldom agrees with you, +1. Of course I expect you to own up if verdo is correct...

I've always owned up to mistakes even when I've known it would be harmful or embarrassing to me. Don't believe me? I've never made it to executive management.

I'll be more than happy to say that Trump is a loser/crook/phony/failure once he has had a reasonable amount of time to try to make things happen. If Trump does not succeed and pleasantly surprise at least some of the people who are against him (which means his supporters will feel that he has done them right), he will not get a second term.

No one need remind me. If Trump screws us, I'll verbally rip him a new one.

[santafe2]

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For goodness sakes, it seems fair to give Trump at least one day in office before declaring his presidency a failure or global catastrophe.

As one who seldom agrees with you, +1. Of course I expect you to own up if verdo is correct...

[santafe2]

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and when was the last time you witnessed large groups of people voting based on platform or facts?

In the world of politics perception is reality. And not just in this most recent affair...

GRG, I was answering your assertion that Warren was a "liberal". The term liberal is dead in the US. The term progressive is one we use for Sanders and Warren. The term democratic socialist is now acceptable. This perception of Warren as a liberal is yours. Americans think of her as a populist and a progressive. She's too hawkish and conservative for my liking but I think she's a person we can all work with. She's brutally honest. Seems to me we just elected someone with a similar trait, (although he's more of a KKK style populist). We'll see, Trump hasn't even taken office.

BTW, congratulations, it looks like we'll be buying and piping tar sands for at least four years.

[Milton Kuo]

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im like 100% sure that if Hillary won, and we started getting word that they were even thinking about putting total crooks like Dimon into office, there would be shit flipping going on here lol. But i guess the trump kool aid wont run dry until we reach the point where plausible deniability wont work anymore. So until then, ill wait

I don't recall too many people here wringing their hands and crying about people Obama's advisors were considering appointing to key positions. In fact, I don't recall if there was any discussion at all about the people Obama was considering never mind who his advisors were considering.

There was more grumbling when people like Timothy Geithner and Dr. Evil were appointed to key positions but no one flipped his shit and started crying about the coming of Armageddon. I gave Obama until the end of his first term before I considered his presidency a failure. For goodness sakes, it seems fair to give Trump at least one day in office before declaring his presidency a failure or global catastrophe.

In the meantime, chillax. You're worrying more about a Trump presidency than the Hollywood elite who threatened to leave the U.S. and go to Canada if Trump were elected. If we were to believe that those limousine liberals are so smart, then you're entirely safe since they, in their enlightened liberalism, will choose to go a place safe from Trump and the effects of his policies.

[santafe2]

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Trump voters have no idea what they've done. By the time they get it, it will be too late. I don't even think Hillary would be so brazen. Welcome to the new America folks

Let's wait and see. I don't disagree with you but we should give him a chance to prove that the election was just a show and that he'll treat the political alt-right with the same level of respect he treated his Republican opponents and every slice of America that crossed him on his way to the presidency. He owns the Republican party now and I'm sure the Republican corporate handlers think of him as Bush 3. Maybe he's not. We'll know in two months if it's Trump or the Kochs that own America. In a worst case, it's both, but I'll reserve judgment until I can see which direction he's going.

I have given zero respect to the crayon clan on iTulip. This is what they do. They project their own prejudice on anything that does not fit their world view. While I agree with your position, I'd suggest we do not want to use their tactics. To rephrase your opening statement, we have no idea what they've done. We'll know soon enough. When we know, we'll respond.

[santafe2]

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democrats are hoping that ruth bader-ginsburg [83yo] and stephen breyer [78yo] live to 100, and they even have good wishes for anthony kennedy.

Dems will have to become more progressive well before the 2020 election. Dems will have to organize better, listen to Millennials more closely and choose their party leadership carefully. If not, there will be a Wendy's half way down Bright Angel Trail and a new Disneyland at the bottom. Oh, and a 21st Century Great Wall on the Southern border....the kids will love it. Also, we'll get to watch Miami go under sea water. Who says it won't be exciting watching Republicans swim for land. I think I just invented DJT's next reality show.

[GRG55]

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Um, Elizabeth Warren is quite conservative. She doesn't want average Americans to get cheated by multinational corporations. She thinks everyone should pay their fair share in taxes. She would like to conserve the environment. She does not think corporations are people. She thinks family farms should not be bludgeoned by Monsanto and corporate farms. She thinks banks and the government should serve the people of the US. She thinks education and medical care are a right not a profit center. I may have missed a couple but there is nothing more centrist in the US than these views.

and when was the last time you witnessed large groups of people voting based on platform or facts?

In the world of politics perception is reality. And not just in this most recent affair...

[santafe2]

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If the Dems get pushed to the far left by Warren et al the vacuum in the center of the spectrum will give rising Republican talent like Rubio all the room they need to institutionalize the results of this election for a generation. That's the real danger facing the Dems...years in the wilderness.

Um, Elizabeth Warren is quite conservative. She doesn't want average Americans to get cheated by multinational corporations. She thinks everyone should pay their fair share in taxes. She would like to conserve the environment. She does not think corporations are people. She thinks family farms should not be bludgeoned by Monsanto and corporate farms. She thinks banks and the government should serve the people of the US. She thinks education and medical care are a right not a profit center. I may have missed a couple but there is nothing more centrist in the US than these views.

[santafe2]

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If Sanders and Warren can pull it off, more power to them although it might be that Bernie's time has passed. Besides, the smart move would be to run someone (way) under 70 and firmly planted in the 21st Century as a way of demonstrating a clear break from the past. First the let's see if the party can purge the Clintons and then we'll be in a better position to talk about what might come next.

Sanders is old enough that he will likely play the role of the wise elder. Warren was torching a populist fire in her first interview. She went full on FDR on the Republicans. She might be 70 in 2020 but that interview looked to me like a shot over the bow. Since she was always my first choice, then my first choice for VP, readers are free to discount my opinion on Warren.

I'm not sure where your bravado and optimism comes from seeing how similar assurances were made on Monday morning only to be dashed so thoroughly and unexpectedly Wednesday morning. The Democrats are still walking through the stages of grief, I get it, and we will see if and when they can free themselves of denial as to the reasons they were routed and what they need to do to win back these voters.

As of now, I see them stuck in the propaganda bubble they made for themselves and doubling down on the ridiculous assertions made during the campaign. The anti-Trump riots, small as they are, should give people some idea as to the mindset of the most extreme and unhinged on the Clinton cohort. If the shoe were on the other foot at it was anti-Hillary riots, you can be sure it would be the lead story every cycle. On every talking head and pundit's mouth you'd hear "why isn't Trump making his supporters stop rioting" but no such demand is made on Hillary. Par for the course, but makes me think the institutional and individual failures among the Democratic Party and it's MSM adjuncts that brought us a Trump landslide aren't about to change.

You're still being snarky and fighting the battle you won Woody. You can stop it and we can move forward or we can start fighting again and talk about how your boy lost the popular vote by well more the a million votes, how the exit polls were are off by 5% or more in most of the swing states, (always in the Trump direction), and very accurate in the states that don't matter. We can talk about how happy the KKK and other racist organizations are. We can talk about how the alt-right and Koch brothers appear to own Trump and the Republican party. We can talk about 100+ cases of extreme sexual and racial harassment that have occurred in the last two days and how it appears your candidate is the person who unleashed this rash of racism. And there's a lot more if you'd prefer fighting over the outcomes of the past election.

Clinton is gone, it's not about her. These are not riots they're marches. This is mostly the young progressive wing of the party that feels like they got screwed by the Dems and the screwed again when Trump was elected.

Since you elected him, it might be much more useful for you to tell us what you think he'll do. Or I'll accept that you're an anarchist as you said earlier. Your job is done. You put a bomb in the White House and you're ready to rebuild after it goes off.

If not, please answer the following so we can begin to understand your thinking. Who will he appoint to his cabinet? Will he repeal many hundreds of regulations that keep banks and energy companies among others, in check. Will he lower taxes like every other Republican or will he stand firm and force the government to plan how we'll pay for expenditures? Will he keep Social Security and Medicare viable or will he attempt to privatize it and give Grandma a voucher? I've many more questions but that seems like a good start.

[vt]

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Michael Moore Calls Out Race Baiters:

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[verdo]

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You are calling a disaster before it has even occurred as you seem to believe the very election of Trump is the disaster itself. As the article states, it is Trump's advisors, not Trump himself, who floated the idea of naming Dimon as treasury secretary. Even if we assume the story is accurate and Dimon had in interest in being treasury secretary, Trump would still have to approve his advisors' recommendations. Until Trump appoints a no-goodnik who continues to behave as a no-goodnik, I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt as Obama was given the benefit of the doubt. This means that I will give Trump two years or until something genuinely nasty happens, whichever comes sooner, before making a judgment.

A bunch of Democrats and Hillary supporters having their psyches bruised from an electoral upset and having panic attacks is not something genuinely nasty.

im like 100% sure that if Hillary won, and we started getting word that they were even thinking about putting total crooks like Dimon into office, there would be shit flipping going on here lol. But i guess the trump kool aid wont run dry until we reach the point where plausible deniability wont work anymore. So until then, ill wait

[Milton Kuo]

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Donald Trump advisors consider Jamie Dimon for Treasury Secretary

^I lol'd. i mean holy shit...not even a day

I stand by what i said just HOURS ago



Trump voters have no idea what they've done. By the time they get it, it will be too late. I don't even think Hillary would be so brazen. Welcome to the new America folks

You are calling a disaster before it has even occurred as you seem to believe the very election of Trump is the disaster itself. As the article states, it is Trump's advisors, not Trump himself, who floated the idea of naming Dimon as treasury secretary. Even if we assume the story is accurate and Dimon had in interest in being treasury secretary, Trump would still have to approve his advisors' recommendations. Until Trump appoints a no-goodnik who continues to behave as a no-goodnik, I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt as Obama was given the benefit of the doubt. This means that I will give Trump two years or until something genuinely nasty happens, whichever comes sooner, before making a judgment.

A bunch of Democrats and Hillary supporters having their psyches bruised from an electoral upset and having panic attacks is not something genuinely nasty.

[verdo]

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It remains to be seen. I hate to be the person who seems to be the Trump apologist but it may be that the names being thrown about are the Joseph Kennedys of today: people who know where the bodies are buried and are useful in that regard. They must be kept on a tight leash.

I'm fairly certain Trump will make mistakes with certain appointments. I am hoping that when he makes a mistake, he is very quick to take corrective action: "You're fired," and appoint someone else.

Didn't Trump get rid of two campaign managers during this election? I cannot recall any other other presidential candidate in the past few decades having changed campaign managers even once.

Donald Trump advisors consider Jamie Dimon for Treasury Secretary

^I lol'd. i mean holy shit...not even a day

I stand by what i said just HOURS ago

what a shocker! (not). I can't wait to see how wall street manages to solidify their control in ways they've only dreamed of under Trumps administration.

Trump voters have no idea what they've done. By the time they get it, it will be too late. I don't even think Hillary would be so brazen. Welcome to the new America folks