Trump to win?

[vt]

Re: What is the plan ?

Notice he was unarmed too.

This type of behavior, while rare happens, and it is criminal. The responsible individuals need to be arrested for assault and battery.

A black person understands profiling and that some unarmed black men are being killed by police. Every effort must be made to avoid such future shootings.

is unfortunate that the public won't wait for the full facts with visual evidence that might conclusively show what happened. If the Charlotte man had a gun then it will make the protests without merit. The police are under enormous pressure and and in greater peril than they have ever been. However they have to been exceedingly careful to make as sure as possible that a threat from a citizen is real and life threatening before using their guns.

I did notice in Charlotte a white protesters destroying property and some whites looting. There are elements in the community as well as from outside looking to cause trouble and incite.

[lakedaemonian]

Re: Trump to win?

I'm starting to think the Asch Conformity Experiment may be relevant to this particular US Presidential election cycle.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TYIh4MkcfJA


i've been using it very recently as an example in training to mitigate/break common human psychological behaviour that may negatively impact high performance decision making.

Basically, humans overwhelmingly choose to be wrong(knowingly) in order to belong, at least when their choice is made public and opposition is overwhelming and unanimous.

But when small minority agreement becomes public, conformity bias begins to erode.

And most importantly, when choice/selection is anonymous, conformity bias largely collapses.

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Does this possibly have relevance to this election?

I suspect so.

In all the many conversations I had with a broad cross section of people in the US earlier this year where the conversation turned to awkward American national politics, it always started and ended the same way.

A default assumption of Hillary and highly negative Trump. Anything else was framed as insane.

I've never heard anyone openly support Trump, but have witnessed an incredible amount of conflicted body language from those who didn't participate in the conversations.

Poll numbers certainly show a far, far greater level of support for Trump than every conversation I've ever been a part of.

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I'd like to see another Asch conformity variation that includes the effect of overwhelming wrong mass media influence on conformity using video, radio, print, social media.

And more importantly, what it takes to break such conformity beyond just anonymity.

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i'm not a Trump fan, nor looking forward to him as President if we wins. I view this election as a choice between pancreatic cancer or Ebola.

But I have a hunch that the open public conformity towards Hillary Clinton comprehensively supported by very narrowly owned mass media could be shocked by the remaining anonymity of voting.

Which has me thinking that if voting anonymity was compromised we'd be in much bigger trouble than we already are.

[Woodsman]

Re: Trump to win?

The Democratic Party has moved away from where it was, but so has this guy.

He's all excited about standard right wing stuff: "reducing the marginal and corporate tax rates and eliminating thousands of job-killing and business-stifling regulations, the biggest of which is ObamaCare" and rebuilding the military.

We used to call them "Reagan Democrats" but I guess that will need to be updated to "Trump Democrats" moving forward.

[LazyBoy]

Re: Trump to win?

Lifelong Democrat decides to vote for Trump:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/party-lo...ton-1474498244

The Democratic Party has moved away from where it was, but so has this guy.

He's all excited about standard right wing stuff: "reducing the marginal and corporate tax rates and eliminating thousands of job-killing and business-stifling regulations, the biggest of which is ObamaCare" and rebuilding the military.

[Woodsman]

Re: What is the plan ?

http://nyti.ms/2cpWKwM

Meanwhile, what the NYT won't show you.



Bet this poor fellow was wishing he had exercised his Second Amendment rights. You want a picture of America without the Second Amendment, after HRC takes your birthright to defend yourself, your neighbors, your city, then look no further than to this innocent man's suffering.

Imagine the terror he must feel. What if it was you or your wife or daughter?

When are the police and National Guard going to get serious with these people and put them in the prison cells they belong? Have they not been issues ammunition?
Where is President Obama and how long will his silence continue to speak of his indifference? Is it because NC is so full of Deplorables?
How long must our North Carolinian brothers and sisters suffer in fear before they say no more? Could they be afraid of the consequences of self and community defense - defend and be branded a violent racist or be brutally assaulted or die and avoid the appellation?

This is going to move NC to Trump. No doubt in my mind. You may not find a single voter admitting it, but I think you can take it to the bank.

[Thailandnotes]

Re: What is the plan ?

Of course not, who knows what will happen...

http://nyti.ms/2cpWKwM

[Thailandnotes]

Re: What is the plan ?

Could you flesh that out?

Of course not, who knows what will happen?

Trump and the Republican party will embrace each other. Roe v Wade will be overturned. There will be Rodney King riots. The stock market will tank. The economy will get hammered. The left will be in disarray and throw up a Hail Mary candidate in 2020 who will get pummeled.

or

Hillary will go to war, back Wall Street during a hopeless downturn, and be a one-term Carter. The right will lose it and make Trump rallies look tame and sane. The left will be screaming at Warren and Sanders (“We told you so!”) for backing Clinton.

Maybe you will get the stirrings of a new party, but I doubt it.

Odds that a Trump victory = a reboot of American politics...2%

Odds that a Clinton victory = a reboot of American politics...5%

Odds that neither victory = a reboot of American politics...93%

[vt]

Re: Trump to win?

Lifelong Democrat decides to vote for Trump:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/party-lo...ton-1474498244

[lektrode]

Re: What is the plan ?

I know you directed your question to Thailandnotes, but I'll give you my virtual $0.02... (which is worth exactly what you paid for it)

If HRC is elected and the wheels fall off the world financial system under her watch, and it's as bad as we think it's going to be, the Democrats will get the blame. It'll be the end of the Democrat party, and thus the end of the two-party system as we know it.

nears i can tell, ms shiny! ?

that was supposed to happen during geedubya's term (2001-2008)
which is why it all landed in his lap; ie: so that the lib-dems could blame it all on bush+repubs
using that as the ULTIMATE EXCUSE for the affirmative action candidate's failures (on nearly all fronts that matter) on what they inherited - even while being in complete command of the agenda - in 2009-10 - even as they bailed out TBTF, inc and 'passed so they could read what was in it' and so thoroughly screw up the entire medical services delivery channel - vs 'insurance' - that NO ONE WANTS TO HIRE ANYBODY OVER 50 any more

[lektrode]

Re: What is the plan ?

Yeah, I know! It's gonna be yuuuuge!

It might be interesting to note that the author of this oh so serious piece of conjecture ...
.....
In other words, this long and very, very serious piece sounds to me like hatchet job ginned up on command by a Clinton dominated private equity firm with its snout so deep in the public trough it would do or say anything to defeat Trump and keep the gravy train flowing.

But maybe it's just a coincidence?

+1
uh huh... just merely ANOTHER COINCIDENCE?

gasp!!
say it aint so, woody.
and there i went thinking that everything surrounding the obozo+hill-billy show was purely
'the vast rightwing conspiracy' in action...

;)

[touchring]

Re: What is the plan ?

I know you directed your question to Thailandnotes, but I'll give you my virtual $0.02... (which is worth exactly what you paid for it)

If HRC is elected and the wheels fall off the world financial system under her watch, and it's as bad as we think it's going to be, the Democrats will get the blame. It'll be the end of the Democrat party, and thus the end of the two-party system as we know it.

It's hard to say whether electing Clinton will be the end of the Democrats, but it will be the end of a democratic USA as we know. If even a felon can stand for election, it's hard to imagine what will happen in the next election.

We can get some clues from elections happening in places like North Korea, Singapore and to a lesser extent Thailand. You can have elections, but all the candidates will have to be approved by the dictators.

Oh yes, there are elections in North Korea if anyone wonders - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_North_Korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_...election,_2014

[shiny!]

Re: What is the plan ?

Could you flesh that out, Tnotes? How do you you think electing HRC upend the political status quo?

I know you directed your question to Thailandnotes, but I'll give you my virtual $0.02... (which is worth exactly what you paid for it)

If HRC is elected and the wheels fall off the world financial system under her watch, and it's as bad as we think it's going to be, the Democrats will get the blame. It'll be the end of the Democrat party, and thus the end of the two-party system as we know it.

[Woodsman]

Re: What is the plan ?

I don't think electing Trump will lead to the implosion of either party. I think electing Trump will be like electing Christie. Actually, I think a more plausible path to the upending of the political status quo would be the election of HRC.

Could you flesh that out, Tnotes? How do you you think electing HRC upend the political status quo?

[vt]

Re: What is the plan ?

http://www.redstate.com/brandon_mors...idence-reddit/

[Woodsman]

Re: What is the plan ?

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/20...mps-first-term

Yeah, I know! It's gonna be yuuuuge!

It might be interesting to note that the author of this oh so serious piece of conjecture is Evan Osnos (born December 24, 1976). His father, Peter Osnos, is founder and editor-at-large of PublicAffairs, a publishing company. PublicAffairs is an imprint of the Perseus Books Group, an American book publishing company located in New York City.

Perseus Books Group is owned by Perseus Funds Group (holding company Perseus LLC), a $2 billion capital management firm. The board has featured many prominent former Clinton Administration officials and is something of a FIRE finishing school for Clinton appointees. It was once chaired by Clinton acolyte Richard Holbrooke.

Perseus chairman Lee Sachs was nominated by Bill Clinton and served as Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Financial Markets. Another Perseus chairman was tapped to work on the Obama administration but had to back out due to his double dipping with Fannie Mae and Countrywide.

In other words, this long and very, very serious piece sounds to me like hatchet job ginned up on command by a Clinton dominated private equity firm with its snout so deep in the public trough it would do or say anything to defeat Trump and keep the gravy train flowing. But maybe it's just a coincidence?