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  • jk
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    Originally posted by vt View Post
    I thought it was 18 minutes. But was it like the 18 minutes in the movie Contact where the minutes were actually hours?
    sorry, 18.5min actually.

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  • vt
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    I thought it was 18 minutes. But was it like the 18 minutes in the movie Contact where the minutes were actually hours?

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  • jk
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    Originally posted by vt View Post
    Facebook is censoring too. The fix is in across all media.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016...hillary-video/

    I didn't like this guy but Hillary outdid him by a mile in this department:

    https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...54&oe=58393A54
    it was 17 minutes he [or rosemary woods] erased, not just 30 seconds. my favorite explanation is in the movie DICK.

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  • santafe2
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    Originally posted by LazyBoy View Post
    I'm not. If Trump is elected, I hope it breaks the system like Woodsman wants. But I'm not confident that it will. So that hope won't get my vote.

    Bernie was my guy. HRC is no substitute. I waffled some on voting lesser evil instead of not evil, but no more. I can't vote HRC. I haven't looked hard enough at Jill, yet. (But we match pretty well on those internet choose-a-candidate quizzes.)
    Thanks for the straight-up post. You know my position so I won't sell my own book. I will be interested to know who gets your vote.

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  • vt
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    Re: Trump to win?

    Facebook is censoring too. The fix is in across all media.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016...hillary-video/

    I didn't like this guy but Hillary outdid him by a mile in this department:

    https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...54&oe=58393A54

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  • vt
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    Shiny, I haven't been able to get into post 1,000 to edit and didn't mean to post the entire article, just the text. I'll try later.

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  • LazyBoy
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    Re: Trump to win?

    Originally posted by santafe2 View Post
    Since I know we don't agree on this issue, just checking to see if you and shiny! are in the Woodsman camp; vote Trump and hope it breaks the system.
    I'm not. If Trump is elected, I hope it breaks the system like Woodsman wants. But I'm not confident that it will. So that hope won't get my vote.

    Bernie was my guy. HRC is no substitute. I waffled some on voting lesser evil instead of not evil, but no more. I can't vote HRC. I haven't looked hard enough at Jill, yet. (But we match pretty well on those internet choose-a-candidate quizzes.)

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  • santafe2
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    Originally posted by LazyBoy View Post
    Great post, Shiny!

    A ton of great points. I want to expand on one:
    "Policy, policy, policy" is just "Impression Management" until it's implemented.
    In other words: promises.

    I think it was Woodsman who predicted that all the new, Bernie-driven planks in
    the DNC platform will go in the round file the day after she's elected. I agree.
    She doesn't care about us. And asking her to care about us after we elect her
    isn't a good plan. Look at her track record and, as you pointed out, her refusal
    to release the transcripts to her lucrative Wall Street talks.

    If congress gives her a chance, I'll even bet she signs the TPP. She may deign to
    give us an excuse why.
    Since I know we don't agree on this issue, just checking to see if you and shiny! are in the Woodsman camp; vote Trump and hope it breaks the system.

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  • shiny!
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    I still can't reply to posts due to that post #1000 about the epipen price scandal. vt, do you think you could repost it without all the extraneous links?

    Here's the article from your second link. Next time someone says Trump is unqualified to be president because of associating with racists, ask them if the same applies to Clinton for schmoozing with a pro-sharia woman who translated and edited a book promoting child marriage, female genital mutilation, wife-beating, stoning, and the forced separation of the sexes. This woman is her top aid and confidant's mother for crying out loud!

    http://nypost.com/2016/08/28/huma-ab...ti-women-book/

    As secretary of state, women’s-rights champ Hillary Clinton not only spoke at a Saudi girls school run by her top aide Huma Abedin’s *anti-feminist mother, but Clinton invited the elder Abedin to participate in a State Department event for "leading thinkers" on women’s issues.

    This happened despite *evidence at the time that Saleha M. Abedin had explored the religious merits of sexual submissiveness, child marriage, lashings and stonings for adulterous women, and even the *circumcision of girls.

    The elder Abedin, whose daughter helps run Clinton’s presidential campaign, did take a pro-gender-equality stance on at least one issue: Muslim women’s right to participate in violent jihad alongside men.

    As The Post first reported, Huma’s mom edits the Journal of Muslim Minority *Affairs, which has suggested that America had 9/11 coming to it, because of "sanctions" and "injustices" the US allegedly imposed on the Muslim world.

    The journal also opposed women’s rights as un-Islamic, arguing that " ‘empowerment’ of women does more harm than benefit."

    But that’s not all.

    In 1999, Saleha translated and edited a book titled "Women in Islam: A Discourse in Rights and Obligations," published by the Institute of Muslim Minority Affairs. Written by her Saudi colleague Fatima Naseef, the book explains that the stoning and lashing of adulterers, the killing of apostates, sexual submissiveness and even female genital mutilation are all permissible practices *under Sharia law.

    "The wife should satisfy her husband’s desire for sexual intercourse," the book states on Page 202, even if she is not in the mood. "She has no right to abstain except for a reasonable cause or legal prohibition."

    But getting in the mood may be difficult. The book says female genital mutilation is permissible: *"Cir*cumcision for women is *allowed."

    Laws promoting feminist equality, moreover, are ineffectual, since "man-made laws have in fact enslaved women, submitting them to the cupidity and caprice of human beings. Islam is the only solution and the only escape."

    And forget about working in a position of authority: "Her job would involve long hours of free mixing and social interaction with the opposite sex, which is forbidden in Islam," the book says.

    "Moreover, women’s biological constitution is different from that of men. Women are fragile, emotional and sometimes unable to handle difficult and strenuous situations," it explained. "Men are less emotional and show more perseverance."

    There is one exception to the sexual division of roles: "Women can also participate in fighting when jihad *becomes an individual duty."

    On the back cover, Saleha says she is "pleased to launch" the book as part of a series on the study of women’s rights in Islam sponsored by the International Islamic Committee for Woman and Child (IICWC), for which she is listed as chairperson.

    Founded by Huma’s mom, the Cairo-based IICWC has advocated for the repeal of Egypt’s Mubarak-era laws in favor of implementing Sharia law, which could allow female genital mutilation, child marriage and marital rape.

    Saleha is paid by the Saudi government to advocate and spread Sharia in non-Muslim countries like America.

    In 1995, less than three weeks before Clinton gave her famous women’s-rights speech in Beijing, Saleha headlined an unusual Washington conference organized by the Council on American-Islamic Relations to lobby against the UN platform drafted by Clinton and other feminists. Visibly angry, she argued it runs counter to Islam and was a "conspiracy" against Muslims.

    Specifically, she called into question provisions in the platform that condemned domestic battery of women, apparently expressing sympathy for men who commit abuse.

    Pakistan-born Saleha main*tained that men who serially beat women tend to be unemployed, making their abuse somehow more understandable. "They are victims of a different kind," she claimed. "And they are simply taking [their frustrations] out on women."

    Despite all this, Huma Abedin in 2010 arranged for Clinton, then the secretary of state, to travel to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, to meet with her mother and speak at a girls school she founded and helps run as dean. Speaking to a roomful of girls, Clinton said Americans have to stop stereotyping Saudi women as oppressed, before assuring the audience that not all American women go "around in a bikini bathing suit."

    While there, Clinton formed a partnership with Saleha’s Dar al-Hekma college called the US-Saudi Women’s Forum on Social Entrepreneurship, and prom*ised to reverse post-9/11 curbs on Saudi student visas to America.

    ‘The wife should satisfy her husband’s desire for sexual intercourse.’ - from a book translated and edited by Saleha Abedin

    The next year, Clinton invited Saleha and the president of the Saudi school to Washington to participate in a State Department colloquium on women, as revealed by internal emails released in response to a lawsuit filed by Judicial Watch.

    Clinton campaign spokesman Nick Merrill told the Post that while Huma Abedin was in fact listed as an editorial staffer of her mother’s radical journal from 1996 to 2008, she didn’t really do anything for the publication in her long tenure there.

    Asked if Clinton regrets honoring the Islamist mother and bestowing *legitimacy on her extreme views, Merrill had no comment.

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  • vt
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    Hillary assembles her war council:

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/26/ir...cking-hillary/

    And why does she associate with those against women's rights:

    http://nypost.com/2016/08/28/huma-ab...ti-women-book/

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  • LazyBoy
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    Great post, Shiny!

    A ton of great points. I want to expand on one:
    "Policy, policy, policy" is just "Impression Management" until it's implemented.
    In other words: promises.

    I think it was Woodsman who predicted that all the new, Bernie-driven planks in
    the DNC platform will go in the round file the day after she's elected. I agree.
    She doesn't care about us. And asking her to care about us after we elect her
    isn't a good plan. Look at her track record and, as you pointed out, her refusal
    to release the transcripts to her lucrative Wall Street talks.

    If congress gives her a chance, I'll even bet she signs the TPP. She may deign to
    give us an excuse why.

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  • shiny!
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    Post #1000 on page 50 in this thread is a copy/paste of a webpage that has some kind of code that is incompatible with iTulip's stylesheet. It created the dreaded "blank white page syndrome" that is afflicting other threads. The only way I can view page 50 now is by turning off the formatting in my browser. I can't post replies on that page, either.

    The way to avoid the blank white page is to copy and paste only the text of an article, not the entire page.
    When I post content from another site I sometimes also do an intermediate step of first pasting the text into a "plain text editor" like Mousepad in Linux, or Notepad in Windows. That strips all the HTML and CSS code out of it. Then I copy and paste that plain text into the iTulip editing box. It takes only a few seconds longer to do it this way but it doesn't break the page.

    To reply to santafe2 in post #999 I'll try to format this the best I can...

    These Trump supporters are the progeny of the same racists that barred the door to integrated education 50 years ago. They've learned to use politically correct language, but it only makes them more despicable to me. The US party system isn't perfect but it's the system we have so we better support it.
    Beware of making sweeping generalizations. Trump supporters are not all alike. Some are racists for sure. They're the ones that get the media attention. Others are not racist at all. The latter are just hoping that he will oppose the Republocrat system that shoved things like GATT, NAFTA, the repeal of Glass-Steagall, TBTF and soon the TPP down our throats over our objections. People who have seen their income stagnate and their livelihood become less secure for 30 years while the politicians they elected sold out to the highest bidders. I think a lot of these people are not declaring themselves for Trump in the polls because they don't want to be labeled as racists.

    Now understand, like jk I don't know if Trump would rectify these problems or blow us all up.

    It's a system, of the people, by the people and for the people. If we don't acknowledge our responsibility for the current state of the system, we're no different than every Trump supporter or Libertarians driving on public roads and not getting the irony.
    Those are pretty words that used to mean something, but it hasn't been a country of the people, by the people and for the people in a long, long time. Blacks, whites, hispanics, middle-class and the poor have been voting for whomever they believe will look out for their interests, or they vote for the lessor of two evils, but all we've gotten is more evil in the form of an elite that, once they take their oath of office promptly forget all the promises they made to their electorates. We got Democrats like the Clintons repealing Glass-Steagall and passing the 1994 Crime Bill that put more blacks behind bars than ever before in history. We got Republicans who used to stand for fiscal conservatism supporting TARP over massive objections from their constituents. We got politicians from parties wasting lives and national treasure on endless wars, and promising more of the same. Both parties support uncontrolled immigration (which hurts blacks and the poor the most) in order to provide cheaper labor (Republicans) and future votes (Democrats).

    HRC is a product of, by and for the people.
    IMO, HRC is a product of, by and only for HRC.

    If we want more from her we need to work much harder for it.
    If she gets elected, voters will have zero power to control her. When faced with the choice of following your will or the will of Goldman Sachs, do you honestly believe that she will choose you over them? Special interests give her millions of dollars, but they can't vote her into office. To get elected she needs you. She needs to convince enough voters like you that she's on your side so that you'll put her into office, after which she can be enriched by serving Goldman Sachs, the Saudis, and every other plutocrat that pays for her services.

    If you don't believe me, ask her yourself. Demand that she release the transcripts of her lucrative talks to Goldman Sachs. Oh wait. People HAVE been demanding that, but just as Trump refuses to release his tax returns, HRC refuses to reveal what she promised to Goldman Sachs and Wall Street. No amount of pressure from voters will influence her once she's in office. Personally, I'm a lot more worried about her promises to Wall Street than I am about Trump's taxes.

    They say that the definition of insanity is expecting different results from the same behavior, so I ask you: If HRC refuses to be honest and accountable before the election, why you believe she'll have a sudden change of heart once elected? What will you do to steer her in the right direction? Write her letters? Picket the White House? Post on Twitter? That'll have her shaking in her boots!

    I do not hate our choices, I accept that we’ve not worked very hard recently to make our choices better.
    I disagree. I've never witnessed a primary season where people on both sides worked harder to nominate candidates that they believed would serve the 99% instead of the 1%. To that end, Republican and Independent voters overwhelmingly supported Trump in the primaries, but are being reviled by both parties and the MSM for doing so.

    Democrats and Independents could not have worked harder for Sanders, but they were disenfranchised by the most UNdemocratic actions of the Democratic (note the irony) National Committee, which violated its own mandate by sabotaging Sanders and promoting Clinton. From stuffing ballot boxes in the caucuses, rigging electronic voting machines, removing newly registered voters from the rolls, closing polling places where turnout was predicted to be heavy for Sanders, and failing to headline these abuses in the news, the collusion between HRC, the DNC and the MSM created the most fraudulent Democratic primary season ever.

    How can you paint it as a moral victory to vote for someone as corrupt as HRC while considering it immoral to vote for the uncouth Trump? How can you support a candidate that feels so entitled to be president, she would disenfranchise the voters of her own party in order to achieve her goal?

    Where we really disagree is on HRC, I don't dislike Clinton. I get her as a classic American politician, (two wolves and a lamb discussing what they'll have for lunch). Our politicians want to get elected and re-elected. They look to their constituents to drive their policies. Their constituents have not worked very hard to move them in the right direction.
    You totally confuse me. In one breath you say we haven't worked as hard as we should to get better candidates. In the next breath you admit she's the classic type of politician that will eat you alive, yet you're proud to support her! This sounds to me like a classic example of Stockholm Syndrome. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

    If after all the evidence to the contrary you still believe that voters like us, with our tiny financial donations, have the power to influence a politician as deeply corrupted as HRC, I'm afraid you are befooling yourself.

    There is a lot of nonsense surrounding this election but in one way politicians are like real estate, there are 3 rules: Policy, policy, policy, (for real estate it's location).
    No, there are only two rules in politics: Impression Management and Money. Perform impression management to get the gullible voters to elect you, then serve wealthy and powerful for it is they, not the voters, who will lavish you with wealth once you're back in the private sector.

    I get her policy on race, the unconscionable level of imprisonment, US infrastructure, the environment and the Supreme Court. Her base set of policies is one I can support. It's that simple. For me, it's really non emotional. It comes from decades of business training. When you have a problem that seems insurmountable, the last thing you do is freak out. You define the problem as clearly as possible and you solicit solutions from your team. You make a decision and you move forward. It doesn't always work the way you intended but you have to make a decision and move forward.

    This is what I'm doing. I'm working and donating to get her elected and I will continue to work after the election to move her in the right direction. I'd like it if she took many of Sanders policies seriously but it won't happen unless we push her in that direction.
    Are you sure you're non emotional about this? I agree with you about making decisions and moving forward. But when it doesn't work out the way you intended, you need to re-evaluate the situation and/or your assessment of it. We all make the best decisions we can using the data available. When the data changes we need to be willing to change our opinions accordingly, if necessary. As Emerson said, "A foolish consistency is the Hobgoblin of little minds." That's why I'm re-evaluating my earlier support of Trump since he began transforming into a traditional, icky Republican.

    I learned a hard lesson many years ago to not give my devotion and loyalty to anyone who is not devoted and loyal to me in return. HRC is not the slightest bit loyal or devoted to you. Her only loyalty is to herself; her only devotion is to her own ambition.
    Last edited by shiny!; August 27, 2016, 06:35 PM.

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  • Morebo
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    Why not do the moving lips match the audio? Surely it calls into question the authenticity of the video or are production values that bad in the capital?

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  • vt
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_sWq-Pl3Xw
    Last edited by vt; August 27, 2016, 12:44 AM.

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  • vt
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    Yet another reason people want to get rid of the establishment of both parties:













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    Dear EpiPen Customers . . .

















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    Dear EpiPen Customers . . .

    Don’t worry, our egregious price hikes aren’t aimed at you—they’re aimed at your insurance company.



    ENLARGE
    Mylan CEO Heather Bresch during a Feb. 11 Bloomberg Television interview in New York. PHOTO: BLOOMBERG NEWS





    By HOLMAN W. JENKINS, JR.

    101 COMMENTS

    To whom it may concern:
    As the CEO of Mylan, maker of the world-famous EpiPen, it gives me great pleasure to address you, via email from an undisclosed location, concerning the pricing of our product.
    As you may know, my father is a U.S. senator from West Virginia, where the state motto is “Montani semper liberi.” It means “mountaineers are always free.” Indeed, they are. But pharmaceuticals aren’t—especially EpiPen.
    Sadly, thanks to a controversy fanned by the media, even my father, better known as Sen.Joe Manchin, issued a statement this week decrying the “skyrocketing prices of prescription drugs.” He didn’t mention EpiPen for good reason. He’s my dad.
    Our health-care system is confusing. The public is understandably confused about why we have raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPens by 500% over the past decade—from $100 in 2007 to $600 today.


    That sounds like a lot, especially since the active ingredient, epinephrine, has been around since 1901 and is cheap to make. Yes, we recently improved our injector, but guess what? The old injector worked fine. EpiPen, using the old injector, saved thousands of lives, especially children who are allergic to peanuts or bee stings.
    The drug can be bought for 10 cents in many countries; the old injector design our would-be competitors are free to copy to their heart’s content. Our prices would surely be lower, then, if we actually had some competitors. Don’t blame me. The Food and Drug Administration has delayed the entry of one competitor and made noises that recently drove another from the market over product-quality snafus.
    As I explained to the New York Times this week, “I am a for-profit business.” EpiPen sales have reached $1 billion a year on my watch, up from $200 million a decade ago. Guess how much of that growth is not increased volume but increased profit? A lot. That’s capitalism. I’m doing my job. Maybe the FDA should do theirs.*
    (*Mylan employs lobbyists and lawyers to delay competitors from getting their products approved by the FDA.)
    Newspaper and TV coverage of our pricing controversy has not been friendly to Mylan, but most reports at least mention the ways we strive to lower the out-of-pocket price for consumers with coupons and rebates to offset their copays and deductibles. We also provide free drugs to hardship cases. The Washington Post even alluded to these efforts in its headline: “Despite coupons, EpiPen’s virtual monopoly roils critics.”
    Sadly, the media have proved unable to explain the finer points of pharmaceutical pricing. Not that we blame the media: health-care pricing is complicated and subject to Reporter Complexity Refusal Syndrome.
    And yet the essential matter is not complicated. It can be explained in a sentence: Six hundred dollars is the price we want insurers to pay.
    Insurers are not spending your money. They are spending everybody’s money. Look at it from the perspective of health-care providers, drugmakers or medical-device suppliers. All of us are competing for a common pot of loot. Naturally, each wants to maximize his share. That’s human nature. If 10 hungry people are sitting around a small bowl of jelly beans, each will eat more, and faster, than he otherwise would.
    Notice something else: How much each provider takes out of the common pot has no natural, organic relationship to the value the provider brings to the patient. Why not? Well, in the rest of the economy, when a consumer is spending out of his pocket, he has incentive to judge whether the service he’s buying is worth the price he’s being asked to pay.
    Now you know why we offer coupons and rebates to individual consumers. This is our way of trying to re-desensitize customers to the price of EpiPen in order to counter the efforts of insurers to re-sensitize them by hitting them with copays and deductibles.
    Then why does getting our coupons and rebates involve rigmarole? Because certain consumers won’t make the effort, and then we get to keep the money that would otherwise go to defray their out-of-pocket costs.
    It’s a great game and we have fun playing it. On average, however, it probably does not increase the health-care industry’s profit margins or the public’s health—but only the share of national income diverted to health care from everything else: beer nuts, wedding presents, automobiles. Our industry’s share of GDP is 17%, up from 13% two decades ago. Hooray, that’s $700 billion a year.
    For decades, health-care reform as preached by knowledgeable experts has aimed at fixing this dynamic, and yet every law passed by Congress ends up doing the opposite, basically using taxpayer money to fill the pot with more jelly beans for providers to fight over.
    So if you don’t like how much your EpiPen costs, elect different politicians (except for dad).
    Sincerely,
    Heather Bresch
    Chief Executive Officer, Mylan

















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    A Wounded Boy’s Silence, and the Candidates’




    POLITICS & IDEAS
    Why Trump Is Failing With College Grads




    Tom Wolfe’s Bonkers New Book Takes Down Darwin and Chomsky




    An Antidote to Depression-Era Gloom




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    Another Obama Parting Gift




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    The NAACP vs. Minority Children




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    Starbucks Sippy Cups for Lawyers




    A Quiet Hero From the Greatest Generation




    BUSINESS WORLD
    Dear EpiPen Customers . . .

















    • [*=center]
      [*=center]
      [*=center]
      [*=center]
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    Dear EpiPen Customers . . .

    Don’t worry, our egregious price hikes aren’t aimed at you—they’re aimed at your insurance company.



    ENLARGE
    Mylan CEO Heather Bresch during a Feb. 11 Bloomberg Television interview in New York. PHOTO: BLOOMBERG NEWS





    By HOLMAN W. JENKINS, JR.

    101 COMMENTS

    To whom it may concern:
    As the CEO of Mylan, maker of the world-famous EpiPen, it gives me great pleasure to address you, via email from an undisclosed location, concerning the pricing of our product.
    As you may know, my father is a U.S. senator from West Virginia, where the state motto is “Montani semper liberi.” It means “mountaineers are always free.” Indeed, they are. But pharmaceuticals aren’t—especially EpiPen.
    Sadly, thanks to a controversy fanned by the media, even my father, better known as Sen.Joe Manchin, issued a statement this week decrying the “skyrocketing prices of prescription drugs.” He didn’t mention EpiPen for good reason. He’s my dad.
    Our health-care system is confusing. The public is understandably confused about why we have raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPens by 500% over the past decade—from $100 in 2007 to $600 today.


    That sounds like a lot, especially since the active ingredient, epinephrine, has been around since 1901 and is cheap to make. Yes, we recently improved our injector, but guess what? The old injector worked fine. EpiPen, using the old injector, saved thousands of lives, especially children who are allergic to peanuts or bee stings.
    The drug can be bought for 10 cents in many countries; the old injector design our would-be competitors are free to copy to their heart’s content. Our prices would surely be lower, then, if we actually had some competitors. Don’t blame me. The Food and Drug Administration has delayed the entry of one competitor and made noises that recently drove another from the market over product-quality snafus.
    As I explained to the New York Times this week, “I am a for-profit business.” EpiPen sales have reached $1 billion a year on my watch, up from $200 million a decade ago. Guess how much of that growth is not increased volume but increased profit? A lot. That’s capitalism. I’m doing my job. Maybe the FDA should do theirs.*
    (*Mylan employs lobbyists and lawyers to delay competitors from getting their products approved by the FDA.)
    Newspaper and TV coverage of our pricing controversy has not been friendly to Mylan, but most reports at least mention the ways we strive to lower the out-of-pocket price for consumers with coupons and rebates to offset their copays and deductibles. We also provide free drugs to hardship cases. The Washington Post even alluded to these efforts in its headline: “Despite coupons, EpiPen’s virtual monopoly roils critics.”
    Sadly, the media have proved unable to explain the finer points of pharmaceutical pricing. Not that we blame the media: health-care pricing is complicated and subject to Reporter Complexity Refusal Syndrome.
    And yet the essential matter is not complicated. It can be explained in a sentence: Six hundred dollars is the price we want insurers to pay.
    Insurers are not spending your money. They are spending everybody’s money. Look at it from the perspective of health-care providers, drugmakers or medical-device suppliers. All of us are competing for a common pot of loot. Naturally, each wants to maximize his share. That’s human nature. If 10 hungry people are sitting around a small bowl of jelly beans, each will eat more, and faster, than he otherwise would.
    Notice something else: How much each provider takes out of the common pot has no natural, organic relationship to the value the provider brings to the patient. Why not? Well, in the rest of the economy, when a consumer is spending out of his pocket, he has incentive to judge whether the service he’s buying is worth the price he’s being asked to pay.
    Now you know why we offer coupons and rebates to individual consumers. This is our way of trying to re-desensitize customers to the price of EpiPen in order to counter the efforts of insurers to re-sensitize them by hitting them with copays and deductibles.
    Then why does getting our coupons and rebates involve rigmarole? Because certain consumers won’t make the effort, and then we get to keep the money that would otherwise go to defray their out-of-pocket costs.
    It’s a great game and we have fun playing it. On average, however, it probably does not increase the health-care industry’s profit margins or the public’s health—but only the share of national income diverted to health care from everything else: beer nuts, wedding presents, automobiles. Our industry’s share of GDP is 17%, up from 13% two decades ago. Hooray, that’s $700 billion a year.
    For decades, health-care reform as preached by knowledgeable experts has aimed at fixing this dynamic, and yet every law passed by Congress ends up doing the opposite, basically using taxpayer money to fill the pot with more jelly beans for providers to fight over.
    So if you don’t like how much your EpiPen costs, elect different politicians (except for dad).
    Sincerely,
    Heather Bresch
    Chief Executive Officer, Mylan






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