Trump to win?

[shiny!]

Re: Trump to win?

Thanks, guys. I was expecting flames (still might get 'em!)

So... I despise Clinton and the Democrat party. I despise the Republican party. I like Trump (who's not really a Republican) on some issues but fear him on others. I've voted Libertarian every election since 1980, but Gary Johnson lost my vote when he came out in favor of the TPP. I like Stein's vibe and some of her views, shake my head in disbelief at some of her other views as she completely contradicts herself, but ultimately can't vote for someone who wants more gun control. Looks like I'll be voting for "None of the Above!"

Wouldn't it be cool if "None of the Above!" got the majority of votes? Wonder what would happen then?

[Chris Coles]

Re: Trump to win?

Well written Shiny. You have defined the War on Women in totality.

Brilliant! + 100

[vt]

Re: Trump to win?

Well written Shiny. You have defined the War on Women in totality.

[shiny!]

Re: Trump to win?

I do think you've defined The Donald's problem. He would much rather stump with folks who won't vote for him than work to gather new constituents. In a more normal election the Dems have to fight for the "Ultrarich" and Republicans have to fight for the African American vote. Both usually fight for the Latino vote and that vote swings both ways. Not this time. African Americans, 90% to 1%. Latinos 75% to 17%. Of course the white nationalist vote is 100% for The Donald. Thankfully this is not the election of 1852 or 1856.

He's getting his butt kicked in Florida, Ohio, and PA and he doesn't care. I don't really think he's running for President, he's running to be the new Klan king. Before you and your bros get out your crayons, think about it. He's working to throw this election away. Clinton is really disliked but she's a brilliant campaigner. All of her press interviews are local and focused. She's had about 300 so far this year but none with the Washington media. I know you hate both the Washington media and Clinton so the dissonance must be acute.

Only time will tell but my take on The Donald is that he's running for Grand Wizard or Imperial Wizard. I don't think it's an exaggeration to think 10% of the US population is white nationalist and willing to resurrect the failed ideology of the KKK. The Donald is doubling down on white racism. It's his new beautiful Trump Tower.

Oh, goddess. I know I'll regret kicking this hornets nest...

No matter what Trump says or who he says it to, it appears your mind is already made up. If he speaks to a white audience he's a white supremacist. You say he should gather new constituents, but when he speaks to a black audience to do just that, he's just stumping with folks who won't vote for him. No matter what he says to the contrary, in your view Trump is always doubling down on white racism. You seem to be polarized to such a degree that when Trump behaves well and speaks well, you ignore it and claim he did the opposite.

When Trump pivots towards Republican pro-Wall Street, pro-big business policies; when he puts racist conservatives on his staff, when he doesn't rein in the xenophobia at his rallies (remember, I'm a Sikh)... that concerns me as much as it concerns you.

Conversely, when Clinton refuses to tell us what she promised to Wall Street in exchange for millions of dollars; when she commits federal crimes that would land you or me in jail and laughs it off; when she seeks the support of people who believe in Taqiya, people who want to see you and me either dead or living under Sharia law, when her top aide and confidant is the daughter of one of those people... these things concern me greatly and they should concern you, too. But you don't care.

Why the double standard between Trump and Clinton? Why the double standard of hating racism while tolerating sexism? Isn't this adherence to beliefs regardless of facts the very definition of prejudice? Don't you hate prejudice?

Whatever else you think about Trump, he is 100% correct about the danger of allowing Sharia law to spread in this country. Any non-muslim who thinks that Sharia law can co-exist peacefully in America clearly doesn't understand what it is and doesn't understand how Taqiya works.

I understand that for you, racism is the biggest problem we face as a nation. You believe all of Trump's white supporters are racists and xenophobes; you find this intolerable. Yet as you explained in that earlier post, you don't feel the same degree of outrage about sexism.

Don't you know, discrimination and brutality against women and girls are as destructive as racial injustice and brutality, but far more prevalent.

No matter our race or social strata, too many women are beaten and battered by men; too many boys grow up thinking this is the way to treat women; too many girls grow up thinking it's normal to be abused.

Too many girls are incested by their fathers, too many children with absentee fathers are raised by poor, single mothers.

Too many elderly women suffer in poverty because we only get a fraction of the social security that men get, because we only earned a fraction of what men earn during our working lives.

Rappers call us bitches and hoes and win Grammy awards. Even in this usually civil forum, derogatory comments about our bodies get chuckles from men who would shout down racial insults in a heartbeat.

As a women who has survived much abuse at the hands of men, should I hate you for your hypocrisy, your sex and the male privilege that you take for granted? I don't, but I don't respect you for it either. How does it feel when I use the same yardstick to judge you that you use to judge whites that unconsciously take white privilege for granted? Take everything you think about black discrimination, apply it to women and see the hypocricy of your double standard:

Before the O.J. Simpson verdict, pundits in the media worried about blacks rioting around the country if he were to be convicted. No one expressed concern about women rioting around the country if he were to be acquitted. It's always this way. No one considers the possibility of women rioting because society takes our patience and acceptance of abuse for granted. But if you told those pundits (and the audience that unthinkingly agreed with them) that they were being sexist, half of them would have denied it while the other half would have said, "Will you stop with the womens lib stuff? Race relations are a serious problem right now!"

We women were on the front lines of the Civil Rights movement. We were on the front lines of the protests to end the draft, to save your male asses during Vietnam. Women are on the front lines of Black Lives Matter, willing to get gassed and clubbed and shot. Where are you in the fight for our dignity? Not interested... Not your battle... Maybe later... If we fight we're on our own. We should go sit at the back of the bus.

Having witnessed your sexism repeatedly throughout this thread, you'll have to forgive me for taking your racial outrage and moral superiority with a huge grain of cynicism.

[jk]

Re: Trump to win?

.The conversation between me and the situational twins ended when they asserted that 2+2 ceased to be 4 and would remain whatever number it is required to be until Hillary is elected. Snowball and Napoleon love walking on their hind legs no matter how ridiculous they look to everyone else. Once I understood that, well the frightened snorts of the bad pig Napoleon and the sweet bleat of the good pig Snowball barely register. When it gets loud enough to get my attention, it just makes me chuckle like all those silly barnayard sounds do.

saying someone is distorting reality is not the same as pointing out the way they do it. comparing someone to a character from animal farm also doesn't identify their distortions.

and i thought the conversation ended when, rather than reply to my request that you point out how i had invoked race, you told me to kiss your white scots-irish ass. it appears you'd rather name-call than engage in a discussion.

my expectation is that you'll do it again in response to this post, but i am ever hopeful that the tone can change. i rarely engage in optimism of any kind, let alone what appears to be foolish optimism, but i so value the itulip community, and value your knowledge in particular, woodsman, to keep trying.

[vt]

Re: Trump to win?

"I don't really think he's running for President, he's running to be the new Klan king. Before you and your bros get out your crayons, think about it."

Are you calling me a racist? You'd better not because you destroy all your credibility on this forum.

I have stated time and again I don't like Trump or Clinton, nor the Republicans or Democrats.

If Clinton loses you and others like you that race bait will own responsibility. And the quote from you above is race baiting and abhorrent.

[Woodsman]

Re: Trump to win?

It's rather vile, but Santa and JK are just following Hillary's and the DNC's lead. They stuck us with the most unpopular, most hated, most distrusted politician in American politics, exceeding the worst of Nixon and Johnson.The only way to make that work out is to do and say anything, anything at all, to make her opponent seem worse. And so they chose to paint him in the most absurd tones, completely unmoored from any reality. They declare Trump to be a Hitler, a Nazi, a fascist, a Russian agent, a KKK leader, a virulent racist, and a child rapist. It's a less than clever psyop intended to capitalize on basic human needs and insecurities and is about the ugliest campaign strategy ever deployed against the American electorate. Their approach is to meet every question or assertion with accusations of racism so as to impress on potential Trump voters that any overt support will make them anathema and subject them to social isolation and approbation. That's such a uniquely toxic accusation that it makes any real conversation hopeless. Cognitively, the only way most people respond is to deny everything, and that in turn forces the victims of these attacks to believe that liberals are lying and slandering for their own partisan ends. This feeds the vicious cycle and everyone withdraws one step more. It destroys any chance of discourse (which liberals claim to champion) but in the same ends justify means fashion we expect from the Clintons and their partisans, it is thought to be the only way to keep Hillary's nagatives from overwhelming her chances.The conversation between me and the situational twins ended when they asserted that 2+2 ceased to be 4 and would remain whatever number it is required to be until Hillary is elected. Snowball and Napoleon love walking on their hind legs no matter how ridiculous they look to everyone else. Once I understood that, well the frightened snorts of the bad pig Napoleon and the sweet bleat of the good pig Snowball barely register. When it gets loud enough to get my attention, it just makes me chuckle like all those silly barnayard sounds do.

[jk]

Re: Trump to win?

. I don't really think he's running for President, he's running to be the new Klan king..

a more plausible version of this says that between roger ailes, late of fox news, and steve bannon of breitbart, he'll be starting a right wing media empire down the road. on second thought, maybe that's just another way of saying the same thing you just said.



meanwhile,
http://adventuresincapitalism.com/po...k-vs-Jerk.aspx

Crook vs. Jerk

September 4, 2016 12:51 AM

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“For a country with over 300 million people, why do you choose such bad politicians?”

Yup, I’ve been doing business overseas for a while now and I keep getting the same question from foreigners who simply cannot decipher the American political system. Heck, I often ask myself the same questions.

A few years ago, I had this conversation;
Him: Will George W. Bush invade my country?
Me: Don’t worry, he can’t find it on the map...

Fast forward 8 years;
Him: Why is your Nobel Prize winning President starting wars with everyone, including a race war in America?
Me: Hell if I know. It’s embarrassing to all of us in America.

In all these exchanges, I can chuckle, drink my beer and proudly say that I didn’t vote for them. However, as I go through my daily rounds, this year’s election is just too dysfunctional to laugh at.

On one hand, we have the most corrupt person to ever run for President of the United States. From the Clinton Initiative slush fund financed with illegal dealings with corrupt overseas oligarchs and villains to the stonewalling of numerous federal investigators she continues to operate like some post-Soviet apparatchik. In order to deflect criticism of her past, she has incited a race war that is both disturbing and repulsive to all that America stands for. Her utter subjugation of the media is both shameful and astonishing. Google has changed its search ranking system, Twitter routinely censors her opponent’s supporters, and The New York Times has become a ministry of propaganda. Joseph Goebbels could only dream of the sort of power that she wields. Her methods are anathema to the American system of transparency, honesty and an independent press. With that said, I have to give her credit. Through 30 years of scandal, illicit dealings, and outright felonious behavior; she has remained remarkably untouchable, whereas a lesser politician would have been incarcerated long ago. Cold, shrewd, ruthless and calculated—lord knows, she wants the Presidency worse than anyone else alive. Her determination really is impressive.

Offsetting this criminality is quite possibly the biggest jerk on earth. As a guy growing up in New York, I remember that every society paper was filled with his endless feuds. Every business paper was full of his lawsuits and those who were counter-suing him. Abrasive, inconsiderate and offensive have been hallmarks of his self-promotion. Nothing is more humiliating than being fired before millions of viewers on television—yet, he reveled in that power. Now, on the national stage, he has taken this offensiveness to new levels by insulting whole countries. Does he have a filter? No, he actually enjoys the fight. Is he the image that America wants to project globally? Or course not.

And, as I sit on a patio and drink my beer, I have to explain this all to my foreign friends. I’ve tried to illuminate the nuances and dive into the details but in the end, this election is about two words—Crook vs. Jerk. America’s most notorious Crook is up against America’s most notorious Jerk. Who do you want running your country? Crook or Jerk?

Explained in those terms, most foreigners take a deep breath and come up with some version of the following, “We all look up to America and your desire for transparent and honest politicians. What separates my country, with its chaos, from yours is the fact that your politicians are honest.” To that, I laugh a bit because America has done a great job of brainwashing the world with its propaganda. Our career politicians are as corrupt as any banana republic’s, except ours usually steal in the name of the large corporations that finance them—as opposed to their own families. Only true outsiders from the political mainstream, those who’ve never been part of the system, can say that they’re not beholden to any special interest or corporation.

So, does Jerk beat Crook? Or does the Crook steal the election? Thankfully, I do most of my business overseas—I’ll survive no matter what the outcome is. As an American, I sure wish we had better choices, but I still have to explain this election to everyone I meet. Crook vs. Jerk sums it up. To most of my friends, mired in corrupt and dysfunctional systems, America is a beacon of hope. Too bad it seems as though Crook is leading in the polls.

[santafe2]

Re: Trump to win?

Hillary with the Ultrarich:

While Trump gets standing ovation at black church:

I do think you've defined The Donald's problem. He would much rather stump with folks who won't vote for him than work to gather new constituents. In a more normal election the Dems have to fight for the "Ultrarich" and Republicans have to fight for the African American vote. Both usually fight for the Latino vote and that vote swings both ways. Not this time. African Americans, 90% to 1%. Latinos 75% to 17%. Of course the white nationalist vote is 100% for The Donald. Thankfully this is not the election of 1852 or 1856.

He's getting his butt kicked in Florida, Ohio, and PA and he doesn't care. I don't really think he's running for President, he's running to be the new Klan king. Before you and your bros get out your crayons, think about it. He's working to throw this election away. Clinton is really disliked but she's a brilliant campaigner. All of her press interviews are local and focused. She's had about 300 so far this year but none with the Washington media. I know you hate both the Washington media and Clinton so the dissonance must be acute.

Only time will tell but my take on The Donald is that he's running for Grand Wizard or Imperial Wizard. I don't think it's an exaggeration to think 10% of the US population is white nationalist and willing to resurrect the failed ideology of the KKK. The Donald is doubling down on white racism. It's his new beautiful Trump Tower.

[vt]

Re: Trump to win?

Hillary with the Ultrarich:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/04/us...ndraising.html

While Trump gets standing ovation at black church:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016...stries-church/

[lektrode]

Re: Trump to win?

jeeeze... and i thot this thread had died
(since santa and jk decided to gang up on woody and were losing ;)

but its looking like the noose is FINALLY tightening (around her neck) now:

The "Oh Shit" Moment: Hillary Wiped Her Server With BleachBit Despite Subpoena

... sometime within the 6 days after a call with "President Clinton's Staff," the server was wiped clean using BleachBit despite the subpoena from the House Select Committee on Benghazi received weeks earlier on March 4, 2016.

• Sep 3, 2016 12:05 PM

lets see how they wiggle'n'squirm their way out this one...
(since the dept of juicetess is always FOR SALE, or has been - and quite conclusively at that - since 2008, anyway (i mean REALLY, at least the perps from ENRON got taken down/jailed - but the lwr manhattan criminal syndicate? not so much...)

and when even Putin&co are willing to lend a hand (tugging on the noose) - as a 'public service' no less (whoda thunk it, even the russians are more public-spirited than the DNC ;)

Putin Says Trump/Clinton Using "Shock Tactics"; Describes DNC Hacking As "Public Service" But Denies Involvement

Putin accuses Clinton and Trump of using "shock tactics" while denying any Russian link to the DNC hacking...“Listen, does it even matter who hacked this data? The important thing is the content that was given to the public.’’

• Sep 2, 2016 7:45 PM

uh oh.... 'we have a problem, chapaqua...'

Trump Regains Lead In Latest Reuters Poll: We're Gonna Need Another "Tweak"

The last time Reuters/Ipsos showed Trump in the lead at the end of July, the polling methodology was promptly "tweaked", sending Trump right back into second place. It appears Reuters' poll may be due for another "tweak."

• Sep 3, 2016 12:15 PM

ooops... kinda sounds like the LAMERSTREAM MEDIA is starting to 'lose control' ?

Sorry, Losers! How The Fed Has Screwed The Many To Protect The Few

By its actions, the Federal Reserve has selected a precious few winners and many, many losers. Sadly, you are highly likely to be one of the losers. Sorry!

• Sep 3, 2016 1:50 PM

also looks like obozo & john f(raud) kerry's foggybottom have already lost it (and well on their way to ww3)

Tarmac Altercation Erupts Upon Obama's Arrival In China After Official Shouts "This Is Our Country, Our Airport"

Upon Obama's arrival in China, a member of the Chinese delegation began shouting at White House staff, demanding the pool leave the arrival scene. A White House official said Obama was our president and Air Force One was our plane and that the press was not going to move from the designated area. The Chinese official angrily responded "This is our country. This is our airport."

• Sep 3, 2016 11:56 AM

never mind 'all the help' they're getting from 'our fiends' at the top of the 'high-tech social media' foodchain (who've been doing a simply mahvelous job of 'creating jobs' - mostly OUT of The US, while they pile-up billions, again OUTSIDE The US

How Silicon Valley Follows The Money

Wall Street and Silicon Valley are two of the key strategic hubs of hyperpower global domination. The others are the industrial-military-surveillance-security complex – of which Hollywood and corporate media are the soft power extensions – and the petrodollar racket/tributary system.

• Sep 2, 2016 8:10 PM

which then begs the question (esp of those whom are 'with her' ):

Are You A Mind-Controlled CIA Stooge?

Do you smirk when you hear someone question the official stories of Orlando, San Bernardino, Paris or Nice? Do you feel superior to 2,500 architects and engineers, to firefighters, commercial and military pilots, physicists and chemists, and former high government officials who have raised doubts about 9/11? If so, you reflect the profile of a mind-controlled CIA stooge.

• Sep 2, 2016 9:00 PM

but hey!
this is Labor Day and EVERYTHINGS AWESOME (?)

right?

Riiiiight.....

Obama's Jobs 'Recovery' Explained (In 1 Cartoon)

A job's a job, right?



h/t @myLife_40NoneK

the comments on this one are classics (for ZH anyway)

well... there you have it folks, another reason to 'celebrate' - or as one member of the 'elite' political (spelt c.r.i.m.i.n.a.l) class put it a few years back "...for the first time in my life, i'm proud to be amerikan..."

but....too bad she has to "...wake up every morning in house built by slaves...."

and to think i USED-TO be a proud American

at least until the most corrupt+inept+bought-off administration in US history perpetrated the complete and utterly HOSTILE TAKE-OVER of the entire US.gov - that got underway in the 90's - doubled-down in the 2010's - (all the while buying their way OUT of prosecution) and will have come full-circle when the MOST CRIMINALLY CORRUPT, INEPT AND BOUGHT-OFF prezidenshull candidate in US history 'takes the oath' (unless she decides to skip that part, as it being part of 'the war on wimmen') thereby signalling that everything thats happened since the 1620's - nearly 400 years of blood, sweat, tears & treasure -

WAS ALL FOR NAUGHT
and the former USA will have been killed/bought-off by the resurrection of the old-world aristocracy right here in the new-world.

AND WE CAN 'thank' - with a good ole BRONX CHEER -
THE DEMONRAT NAT'L COMMITTEE FOR THE WHOLE GD TWISTED STORY!

of how their politix/policies since the 60's SCREWED this country far worse than ANYTHING osama could have EVER done to The Rest of US

thats right - obama, the hill-billy show and the demonrats have done more to DESTROY THE USA than ANYTHING osama could have ever done.

[lektrode]

Re: Trump to win?

dup deleted....

see the next for more (since its quite the collection of documented fraud, malfeasance, corruption, ineptitude and outright C.R.I.M.I.N.A.L activity..)

aka: just another day of the obozo and hill-billy show and their hostile takeover of the place formerly known as The USA...

now known as the Fascist State of Amerika, HQ'd in lwr manhattan (or chapaqua, depending on POV), with its wholly-owned subsidiary of vassal slaves now known as the CONgress of the FSA (or free shit army, whatevah happens to lift yer skirt...)

[vt]

Re: Trump to win?

Trump's Son Questions Clintons' Enormous Wealth


"Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump’s son Eric Trump questioned Friday how Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and former President Bill Clinton became enormously wealthy running a charity, which has become the focus of the campaign’s allegation of pay-to-play corruption while she was secretary of state.
“The question I always ask is, what product were they selling? If we make a buck, we sold a bottle of wine or an apartment, or we sold a hotel room. What product were they selling to make $150 million,” Mr. Trump said on Fox News’ “Fox & Friends.”
Host Ainsley Earhardt suggested: “Favors? The government?”

“Of course,” responded Mr. Trump, who works on the campaign for his billionaire businessman father.
“This is the leadership we have in this country. Somebody sets up a foundation. They pocket hundreds of millions of dollars. They say they come out of the White House ‘dead broke.’ Now they are worth $150 million,” he said.
Mrs. Clinton famously claimed that they were “dead broke” when they left the White House in 2001."


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...s-wealth-what/

[Woodsman]

Re: Trump to win?

File under our famously free elections.

Even before the FBI identified new cyberattacks on two separate state election boards, the Department of Homeland Security began considering declaring the election a "critical infrastructure," giving it the same control over security it has over Wall Street and the electric power grid.

The latest admissions of attacks could speed up that effort possibly including the upcoming presidential election, according to officials.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ho...rticle/2600592

[jk]

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trump sandwich.JPG

received this from a friend. click to expand