Trump to win?

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I think Blyth nails it (see other thread)...

"Brexit...it's not about Europe. It's an opportunity to give the elites a big telling off...Go back to the mid 70's. Labor's share of national income was never higher. Profits were at an all time low. Inflation was high. Parliaments were strong. Nobody had ever heard of a central banker...The rise of the business class running politics...how long can you expect people to pay for debt they didn't create.”

how does 5% of the population get to cause such an uproar?

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Lieutenant Governor Dan Forest called the N.C.A.A.’s decision “extortion against the state of North Carolina.” Asserting that the state legislature passed H.B. 2 to protect the public, he suggested that supporters of Charlotte’s municipal legislation—the trans-friendly law that spurred Republican backlash at the state level—think that “a high-school boy should shower with a high-school girl, or a man should be able to shower with a little girl, or a man should be able to follow my wife into a bathroom somewhere.”

Asked about the loss of tournament revenue, Forest replied, “Our women and girls in North Carolina are not for sale.”

[Woodsman]

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This is exactly the same experience I had when I visited the Trump campaign office. Happy warriors all. But this author can't believe his eyes. There are minorities that support Trump and so he has to imply that those that do are somehow brainwashed and self hating. Imagine if a white "journalist" were to visit a biotech lab in South Central LA and expressed surprise at seeing so many black and Latino scientists there. Then imagine that white journalist asking some trick question of those black and Latino employees, to test whether they are fake.

A visit to Trump's headquarters in Long Beach's Cambodia Town, of all places, produces some surprises

Who and what would you find if you walked into Donald Trump’s campaign headquarters in Long Beach, a racially diverse city and longtime Democratic Party stronghold?

If you believe polls or put any stock in political demographics, the Rams have a better chance of winning the Super Bowl than Trump has of winning California. But I read that his Long Beach office had opened for business last weekend, and I was up for an adventure on Monday.


The Trump office is in the heart of Cambodia Town on the 2300 block of East Anaheim Street, in a building that also houses the Phnom Pich Pharmacy and Khmer Arts Cultural Center. When you walk through the lobby and into the interior courtyard, you’re struck by wall-to-wall photos of people, places and things in Cambodia, as if this were a shrine to Cambodia.


And to Trump.


“Make America Great Again!” said a giant red, white and blue sign in the lobby.


Isn’t it already pretty great, if you can visit the Queen Mary, eat at Phnom Penh Noodle Shack and step into Trump’s Long Beach lair in half a day?


The problem was that I didn’t see many Trump supporters.


Don’t worry, a gentleman named Gary Fultheim told me. They’d be in later.


I asked if he happened to know how a Cambodian business center came to be headquarters for a guy who has alienated a number of minority groups in the last year or so?


I asked the right guy.


Fultheim is a part-owner of the building, a frequent traveler to Asia for both business (as a garment importer) and pleasure — and a big Trump supporter.


I should not have missed the grand opening of the campaign office, Fultheim said.


“We had more than 350 people here Saturday, which I was pleasantly surprised by,” he told me. “They came from Murrieta, Temecula, Encino, West Hollywood and Woodland Hills. We had Hispanics and African Americans here, the gay community was here — everybody. And there weren’t any problems at all and the wonderful Khmer Arts Cultural Center put on a dance performance that was spectacular.”


I’d have paid to see that.


So why does Fultheim like Trump?


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Fultheim, who is Jewish, said he thinks Trump will do a better job of protecting Israel from Iran than the Democrats have and will. Fultheim doesn’t always like Trump’s choice of words on immigration, but he likes his policy. He thinks Trump would ease regulations on corporations and “lift the tax burdens off of the small businessman.”


Fultheim, who has done his share of international business, made an elegant argument for the benefits of free trade, which generates jobs for everyone from the forklift driver who scissors the goods off the cargo containers, to the truck drivers, to the retailers and so on.


But wait a minute, I said. Didn’t Trump say he’d raise the roof on tariffs, and doesn’t that mean jobs could be lost, prices could soar, and tariffs might be imposed on American goods shipped overseas?


Fultheim thought briefly and said:


“I don’t know what Trump wants to do, OK?”


But it’ll work out fine, he assured me, because Trump has been a champ in business and “the American population should bet on a winner.”


As we chatted, Trump’s L.A. County regional chair, Rachel Gunther, arrived to open the campaign office.


I walked in with her and saw Trump signs on one wall in the form of a cross, next to a sign that said “BUILD that WALL!!”


Gunther, who said she’s of Filipino descent, told me she liked Trump even before he was a candidate. Scrawled on blackboards were names of volunteers from the African American, Hispanic and Asian communities — people she’ll tap to man the phones or knock on doors in coming weeks.


“A lot of people have written us off,” Gunther said, but she thinks Trump is going to win California.


Two men walked in together to offer their help. One was African American, the other Mexican American. Next in the door were a couple of millennials, Filipino brothers in their 20s, and one of them said Trump makes sense but the media twist everything he says. Only after that did two middle-aged white people join the party.


It was as if the whole thing had been staged, in Cambodia Town, no less, to belie the notion that Trump’s appeal is largely limited to older white males.


The volunteers were all well-spoken in their support of Trump on social, domestic and policy issues, or their disdain for and lack of trust in Clinton, though to be honest I disagreed on this and that.


The African American, Austin Jones, said social programs going back to LBJ’s Great Society created communities of dependency.


Well, maybe, but didn’t racism, housing discrimination and job discrimination have something to do with the creation of two Americas?


The Mexican American, who told me not to use his name, said “there are too many illegals here … and they dirty the place up and they take jobs and do things they shouldn’t.”


At one point, he turned to me and said he wasn’t clear on who I was. When I clarified that I was with the L.A. Times, he stood up and left, saying on his way out that “the only thing the Times is any good for is to wrap fish in it.”


Mainstream media can’t be trusted, several others agreed, because of a leftist lean. I asked what constitutes mainstream media. Aren’t AM radio talk shows, Fox News, Wall Street Journal editorials, and countless newspapers that lean to the right in their conservative states all part of mainstream media?


I didn’t get much of a response. But CNN is definitely liberal, everyone agreed.


Really? If you watch any daily wrapup of election highlights and low lights, aren’t there always an equal number of commentators from each side of the aisle?


Apparently no one has watched CNN enough to know.


The white male, Mike Paulus, told me that as a Christian, it was only recently that he came around to Trump. For the longest time, he didn’t care for Trump’s negativity and language.


“I wanted to strangle him,” he said.


So what changed?


Paulus said he forgave the candidate after a prominent evangelical minister said he believed Trump “had received Christ.”


Imagine Trump’s stroke of luck, that his conversion happened so close to election day.


Maybe the next miracle is that the red candidate takes a blue city in a blue state, and there's dancing in the streets of Cambodia Town.

Compare that to the nail biting from Salon's resident blacksplainer Jaime Bouie as he tells all goodthinking liberals that it's time to start FREAKING OUT!

But then, this election has reminded me of the degree to which I just don’t get some voters.

No shit, son.

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Trust is media at historic lows:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/195542/am...s-new-low.aspx

[lektrode]

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hb2 looks like symbolic culture-war bs to me. in the meantime:

HB2 HAS COST NORTH CAROLINA THOUSANDS OF JOBS AND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS....
http://www.roycooper.com/2016/06/fac...impact-of-hb2/

would say you're right on with that jk - but my question is:

how does 5% of the population get to cause such an uproar?
(hint: demorat identity politx/policies = 'culture wars' indeed, right up there with the feminization of american men, or rather, white men - who've lost the lead in terms of 'cultural icons' - with inner city ghetto hoodsies the 'new look/sound' in how men are 'supposed to act' - the rise of their - the hoodsies - so-called 'music' is but one facet of whats going on = just another part of team demorat, the hollywierd wing - think kardashians)

this is also to 'confirm' hitlery's 'basket of deplorables' narrative: anybody who speaks out about the 'social justice warriors' and their completely OVER THE TOP assault on anybody who even questions anything they do.

dont suppose this has anything to do with the 'ncaa reaction' do ya?

Trump Soars In Latest Polls: Sees 5 Point Lead In Ohio And Latest LA Times National Poll

• Sep 14, 2016 7:44 AM

never mind THIS:

This Is How Much It 'Costs' To Get An Ambassadorship: Guccifer 2.0 Leaks DNC 'Pay-To-Play' Donor List

• Sep 14, 2016 6:35 AM

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Lieutenant Governor Dan Forest called the N.C.A.A.’s decision “extortion against the state of North Carolina.” Asserting that the state legislature passed H.B. 2 to protect the public, he suggested that supporters of Charlotte’s municipal legislation—the trans-friendly law that spurred Republican backlash at the state level—think that “a high-school boy should shower with a high-school girl, or a man should be able to shower with a little girl, or a man should be able to follow my wife into a bathroom somewhere.”

Asked about the loss of tournament revenue, Forest replied, “Our women and girls in North Carolina are not for sale.”

hb2 looks like symbolic culture-war bs to me. in the meantime:

HB2 HAS COST NORTH CAROLINA THOUSANDS OF JOBS AND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS

PayPal: 400 Jobs, $20.4 Million In Income For Mecklenburg [News and Observer, 4/5/16; Press Release, Office of Governor Pat McCrory, 3/18/16]

High Point Market: “Raft Of Cancellations” At “The Largest Single Economic Event In NC,” Projected To Cause $143.4 Million Loss [New York Times, 3/31/16; Center for American Progress, 4/13/16]

Metro Weekly HEADLINE: Charlotte Has Lost $285 Million And 1,300 Jobs Thanks To North Carolina’s Anti-LGBT Law. [Metro Weekly, 5/24/16]

WRAL TechWire HEADLINE: Raleigh Chamber: Tech Firm Nixed 1,000 Jobs Due To HB2. [WRAL TechWire, 4/20/16]

Time Warner Cable News HEADLINE: HB2 Has Cost NC 1750 Jobs, $77 Million. [Time Warner Cable News, 4/22/16]

News & Observer HEADLINE: HB2 Has Quadrupled Economic Losses.[News & Observer, 4/18/16]

Fox 46 HEADLINE: Lionsgate Takes 100 Jobs From NC Due To HB2. [Fox 46, 4/4/16]

The Citizen-Times HEADLINE: Bank Won’t Add 250 Jobs In NC Due To HB2. [The Citizen-Times, 4/12/16]

Citizen-Times HEADLINE: Chamber CEO: HB2 May End Buncombe Chance At 500 Jobs. [Citizen-Times, 4/8/16]

News & Record HEADLINE: Loss of Federal Funds Could Cost State 53,000 Jobs In Wake Of HB2. [News & Record, 5/18/16]

Recode HEADLINE: “Google Ventures Bans Investments in North Carolina Until Anti-LGBT Law Is Repealed.” [Recode, 4/1/16]

Charlotte Chamber: Mecklenburg County Alone Lost $285 Million And 1,300 Jobs Because Of HB2. According to The Charlotte Observer, “The news conference came on the heels of a chamber report that showed Mecklenburg County has suffered an economic blow of $285 million and a loss of as many as 1,300 jobs as a result of HB2.” [Charlotte Observer, 5/24/16]

Charlotte Chamber Statistics Showed Economic Development Prospects Down 58% From 2015 And Client Visits Dropped 69% Since The Passage Of HB2. According to the Charlotte Business Journal, “The latest Charlotte Chamber statistics also show that between March 23 (when HB 2 became law) and April 30, inquires from economic development prospects were down 58% from 2015 and client visits dropped another 69%. At least 232 companies, led by the tech industry, oppose HB 2, according to the report.” [Charlotte Business Journal, 5/25/16]

http://www.roycooper.com/2016/06/fac...impact-of-hb2/

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Lieutenant Governor Dan Forest called the N.C.A.A.’s decision “extortion against the state of North Carolina.” Asserting that the state legislature passed H.B. 2 to protect the public, he suggested that supporters of Charlotte’s municipal legislation—the trans-friendly law that spurred Republican backlash at the state level—think that “a high-school boy should shower with a high-school girl, or a man should be able to shower with a little girl, or a man should be able to follow my wife into a bathroom somewhere.”

Asked about the loss of tournament revenue, Forest replied, “Our women and girls in North Carolina are not for sale.”

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And people wonder why an outsider is tied with the establishment Presidential candidate?

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I was just going to post this!

And the rich get richer with our tax dollars The State Department is now a slush fund for the SOS families' foundations, which are a slush fund for their extravagant life style in retirement.

Both parties are bought and paid for by the Banksters and the elite.

[lektrode]

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and now we see that 'good ole' john F(raud) kerry is now 'in the game' ??

gee... never knew 'non profit' could be so profitable
(esp when one is a demorat party appaRATchik, installed in The Most Inept, Corrupt+BoughtOff whore-mongering admin in US History)

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The continued Wall Street purchase of Hillary continues:

http://fortune.com/2016/09/06/goldma...e-trump-pence/

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The 15 or 16 NYTimes "Picks" of all the 100's of comments are a joy to read whatever you are feeling. Fistfights at the poll stations?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/05/op...RecEngine&_r=0

[shiny!]

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i posted harris kupperman's "crook vs jerk" above to summarize my own assessment of the candidates. [kupperman, aka "kuppy," is a friend and sometime investment partner of bill fleckenstein, which is how i learned of him.]

fwiw, given the choice of crook vs jerk, i hold my nose and pick "crook" because there are, imo, too many dangerous unknowns about "jerk." as kuppy says, it's hard to believe, but a sad, sad reality, that in a country of over 300million people, these two are the candidates we come up with.

Sad, yes, but we didn't come up with the crook, at least. The fix was in for crook to be the Dem. candidate no matter what the people wanted. Not to say that Sanders would have beaten her in fair, democratic primaries, but due to DNC/HRC "crook"edness corrupting the democratic process, we'll never know. Sanders went off-script by refusing to accept that it was "her turn," and by talking about issues the Republocrats didn't want him to talk about. The HRC/DNC/MSM machine managed to defeat him. In doing this for the crook, the Democrat party seriously damaged its brand.

The Republocrat plan was to field a safe, boring, Bush-like candidate against Clinton so it wouldn't matter who won; the results would be more or less the same for the 99%. The jerk blew in and didn't follow the script. After the Republicans stopped laughing, they panicked. Using the propaganda arm of government they threw everything they had at him, but lost control to the great unwashed.

In the same way that Sanders couldn't quite break the Democrat fix for the crook, I don't think any outsider more normal or palatable than the jerk could have broken the Republican fix. It required an unpredictable, hypomanic Master Persuader with a seriously high IQ and copius amounts of money to do it.*

The Republocrat party is badly wounded, but like a wounded animal it is now at its most dangerous. Like the Soviets, they put on an election play for many years to give people the illusion that we have choices and our votes matter, but like the Soviets, they can't handle, and more importantly won't tolerate, real democracy at all.

If the MSM can't destroy the jerk for the crook, I think it's likely that one or more of the following things things will happen:

Massive rigging of the election on a scale much larger than we've ever seen (the primaries and caucuses were just warm-ups). This will probably happen anyway. That's the entire reason for electronic voting machines. They don't want to leave these things to chance, after all.

"Postponement" of the election due to "Russian" hacking (or Anonymous, or whomever they want to blame).

Declaration of a state of national emergency and martial law to effectively cancel the election.

Trump dies of a heart attack or in a plane crash.

I sure will be happy if I'm wrong.

* What are the odds of someone coming along who matched all those requirements? About 1 in 324,227,000. Now I'm wondering if he's a Manchurian Candidate?

People have been accusing Obama of being a closet communist for years. I frankly don't know enough to know if that's true, and neither does anyone else on our level. Could his escalating anti-Russian cold war be a setup to make us so nervous, we'll elect a president who gets along with Putin and vice-versa?

Let's see... The communists have always been good with the long plan. Russia's never gotten over losing the Eastern Bloc. Trump likes Putin and wants to disband NATO. Melania's from a formerly communist country and vacations with Putin's supposed girlfriend...

Too obvious? Too crazy? This should probably go in Rant and Rave.

[GRG55]

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...fwiw, given the choice of crook vs jerk, i hold my nose and pick "crook" because there are, imo, too many dangerous unknowns about "jerk." as kuppy says, it's hard to believe, but a sad, sad reality, that in a country of over 300million people, these two are the candidates we come up with.

Yes, it is difficult to believe. But perhaps it is the product of a very long, self-reinforcing cycle, where our politics (I say 'our' because Canada is catching up fast) has fallen into disrepute due to declining quality of candidates and leadership, and that in turn dissuades future candidates of competence and quality from entering the profession.

The inability of the current governing party in Alberta to attract even minimally sufficient talent at all levels has become blatantly obvious, and this is severely hampering its ability to respond and deal with the most challenging of economic and social circumstances.

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Oh, goddess. I know I'll regret kicking this hornets nest...

No matter what Trump says or who he says it to, it appears your mind is already made up. If he speaks to a white audience he's a white supremacist. You say he should gather new constituents, but when he speaks to a black audience to do just that, he's just stumping with folks who won't vote for him. No matter what he says to the contrary, in your view Trump is always doubling down on white racism. You seem to be polarized to such a degree that when Trump behaves well and speaks well, you ignore it and claim he did the opposite.

When Trump pivots towards Republican pro-Wall Street, pro-big business policies; when he puts racist conservatives on his staff, when he doesn't rein in the xenophobia at his rallies (remember, I'm a Sikh)... that concerns me as much as it concerns you.

Conversely, when Clinton refuses to tell us what she promised to Wall Street in exchange for millions of dollars; when she commits federal crimes that would land you or me in jail and laughs it off; when she seeks the support of people who believe in Taqiya, people who want to see you and me either dead or living under Sharia law, when her top aide and confidant is the daughter of one of those people... these things concern me greatly and they should concern you, too. But you don't care.

Why the double standard between Trump and Clinton? Why the double standard of hating racism while tolerating sexism? Isn't this adherence to beliefs regardless of facts the very definition of prejudice? Don't you hate prejudice?

Whatever else you think about Trump, he is 100% correct about the danger of allowing Sharia law to spread in this country. Any non-muslim who thinks that Sharia law can co-exist peacefully in America clearly doesn't understand what it is and doesn't understand how Taqiya works.

I understand that for you, racism is the biggest problem we face as a nation. You believe all of Trump's white supporters are racists and xenophobes; you find this intolerable. Yet as you explained in that earlier post, you don't feel the same degree of outrage about sexism.

Don't you know, discrimination and brutality against women and girls are as destructive as racial injustice and brutality, but far more prevalent.

No matter our race or social strata, too many women are beaten and battered by men; too many boys grow up thinking this is the way to treat women; too many girls grow up thinking it's normal to be abused.

Too many girls are incested by their fathers, too many children with absentee fathers are raised by poor, single mothers.

Too many elderly women suffer in poverty because we only get a fraction of the social security that men get, because we only earned a fraction of what men earn during our working lives.

Rappers call us bitches and hoes and win Grammy awards. Even in this usually civil forum, derogatory comments about our bodies get chuckles from men who would shout down racial insults in a heartbeat.

As a women who has survived much abuse at the hands of men, should I hate you for your hypocrisy, your sex and the male privilege that you take for granted? I don't, but I don't respect you for it either. How does it feel when I use the same yardstick to judge you that you use to judge whites that unconsciously take white privilege for granted? Take everything you think about black discrimination, apply it to women and see the hypocricy of your double standard:

Before the O.J. Simpson verdict, pundits in the media worried about blacks rioting around the country if he were to be convicted. No one expressed concern about women rioting around the country if he were to be acquitted. It's always this way. No one considers the possibility of women rioting because society takes our patience and acceptance of abuse for granted. But if you told those pundits (and the audience that unthinkingly agreed with them) that they were being sexist, half of them would have denied it while the other half would have said, "Will you stop with the womens lib stuff? Race relations are a serious problem right now!"

We women were on the front lines of the Civil Rights movement. We were on the front lines of the protests to end the draft, to save your male asses during Vietnam. Women are on the front lines of Black Lives Matter, willing to get gassed and clubbed and shot. Where are you in the fight for our dignity? Not interested... Not your battle... Maybe later... If we fight we're on our own. We should go sit at the back of the bus.

Having witnessed your sexism repeatedly throughout this thread, you'll have to forgive me for taking your racial outrage and moral superiority with a huge grain of cynicism.

i posted harris kupperman's "crook vs jerk" above to summarize my own assessment of the candidates. [kupperman, aka "kuppy," is a friend and sometime investment partner of bill fleckenstein, which is how i learned of him.]

fwiw, given the choice of crook vs jerk, i hold my nose and pick "crook" because there are, imo, too many dangerous unknowns about "jerk." as kuppy says, it's hard to believe, but a sad, sad reality, that in a country of over 300million people, these two are the candidates we come up with.

[davidstvz]

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I do think you've defined The Donald's problem. He would much rather stump with folks who won't vote for him than work to gather new constituents. In a more normal election the Dems have to fight for the "Ultrarich" and Republicans have to fight for the African American vote. Both usually fight for the Latino vote and that vote swings both ways. Not this time. African Americans, 90% to 1%. Latinos 75% to 17%. Of course the white nationalist vote is 100% for The Donald. Thankfully this is not the election of 1852 or 1856.

He's getting his butt kicked in Florida, Ohio, and PA and he doesn't care. I don't really think he's running for President, he's running to be the new Klan king. Before you and your bros get out your crayons, think about it. He's working to throw this election away. Clinton is really disliked but she's a brilliant campaigner. All of her press interviews are local and focused. She's had about 300 so far this year but none with the Washington media. I know you hate both the Washington media and Clinton so the dissonance must be acute.

Only time will tell but my take on The Donald is that he's running for Grand Wizard or Imperial Wizard. I don't think it's an exaggeration to think 10% of the US population is white nationalist and willing to resurrect the failed ideology of the KKK. The Donald is doubling down on white racism. It's his new beautiful Trump Tower.

You've been consuming way too much left-wing media if this is what you're thinking.