Osama bin Laden dead

[jneal3]

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I am sure that the last thing the US wants as someone pointed out is to make Osama a martyr with its badly damaged body being displayed all over the planet on the internet for eternity.

That, and I just read that it is traditional among most Muslims that the body of the deceased must be buried within one day of death.

[c1ue]

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Ding Dong the evil witch Osama is dead.

Now what?

Is everything in Afghanistan now good? Iraq?

Does this mean we're disbanding Homeland Security?

Osama frankly hasn't done jack in getting on 10 years.

[lektrode]

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Yes, it reeks of psyops. From killing a guy who's probably been dead for years, to "burying" the body at sea, to the "spontaneous" crowds chanting USA - the large, brand new flags was a nice touch - where do you find these late on a Sunday? To me the real question is, why now?

oh i dunno - i can think of at least one reason: TAIL WAG THE DOG perhaps? like just as mega points out that the british financial media has picked up on the fact that the hedgefunds are now shorting the dollar and reaping (raping) hundreds of millions already?? what more convenient a moment for The Big Distraction to provide The Big CoverUp:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/tre...les-2011-04-29

The Treasury Department on Friday proposed an exemption for the multi-trillion-dollar foreign exchange swap market from new post-financial-crisis rules, insisting that imposing new regulations on the market would have “serious negative economic consequences.”

all we need now is something from krugman to explain it all away as 'good for negotiations in congress' and the plan will have been executed perfectly: the hedgehogs make a few more billion, the dems score at the polls and the rest of us get 'Gored' in the supermarkets and gas stations - i tell ya, the lamestream media is running rings around Trump & the pubs already!

with gold up again - interesting move early on tho, eh?

[Slimprofits]

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............

I see this one still thinks in terms of Dems and Reps being at the very top of the pyramid, all by their very lonesome.

[cjppjc]

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I have been watching the news coverage and it makes me ill. Creepy people, cheering laughing, and wrapping themselves with flags in the streets around the White House.

Yes the bloodlust is unsettling. Especially for a "civilized people."

[Slimprofits]

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Yes the bloodlust is unsettling. Especially for a "civilized people."

On television, the talking heads say these are young people, around 10-15 years old back in September of 2011, that were traumitized and this is their closure.

And don't you dare mention to a real committed Democrat today, the idea that the US should vacate Afghanistan after this move. This is Obama's and their day to celebrate the soon-to-be bounce in his ratings.

[chr5648]

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Jim Kunstler's weekly rant scored a few hits this morning:



When historians gather around their campfires a half century from now, they will marvel at our idiocy. Among the vital matters we failed to reckon was the diminishing returns of technology as applied to news and information. The slicker our electronic media got, the less sense the public could make of the information stream that they were drowning in. How many iPhones and Blackberries are jangling this morning, I wonder, with "news" that Bin Laden was buried at sea because he is Obama's real father? To the Birthers, I'm sure Bin Laden qualified as some sort of "Negro." The story will be on Fox News by suppertime in Atlanta. Just watch.

I have thought about the intelligence levels of future generations and I have 2 qualms about it.

1) The victor writes the history, whether you like it or not the victor writes the history.

2) Humans have essentially eliminated natural selection, survival of the fittest, and evolution from out species. I don't think the future will be much brighter than this generation, probably dumber by a few notches.

[chr5648]

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A U.S. official said the SEAL team quickly flew bin Laden’s body by helicopter back to Afghanistan, where it was positively identified. Then, the official said, the body was taken out of Afghanistan and “buried at sea,” in part because the U.S. government did not want an accessible gravesite that could become a shrine for bin Laden’s followers. The body of water where the burial at sea took place was later identified as the northern Arabian Sea.

A good way to trap more followers.

[Slimprofits]

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Glenn Greenwald

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/gl...den/index.html

It's already a Litmus Test event: all Decent People -- by definition -- express unadulterated ecstacy at his death, and all Good Americans chant "USA! USA!" in a celebration of this proof of our national greatness and Goodness (and that of our President). Nothing that deviates from that emotional script will be heard, other than by those on the lookout for heretics to hold up and punish. Prematurely interrupting a national emotional consensus with unwanted rational truths accomplishes nothing but harming the heretic (ask Bill Maher about how that works).

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It seems telling that hunting someone down and killing them is one of the few things that still produce these feelings of nationalistic unity.

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In sum, a murderous religious extremist was killed. The U.S. has erupted in a collective orgy of national pride and renewed faith in the efficacy and righteousness of military force. Other than that, the repercussions are likely to be far greater in terms of domestic politics -- it's going to be a huge boost to Obama's re-election prospects and will be exploited for that end -- than anything else.

[lektrode]

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I see this one still thinks in terms of Dems and Reps being at the very top of the pyramid, all by their very lonesome.

no, not really, i dont... and the discussions here have certainly opened my eyes to
The Politics of Money and how its used against us

but its become a hobby of mine to watch how most of the lamestream media selectively reports 'the news' in an effort to sway the masses - mostly in the direction of the liberal/progressive's philosophy, which IMHO, plays right into the banksters grand scheme: to rob us of whats become a quaint anachronism: Our Birthright As Americans to Be Free of The Old World Aristocracy and Its CORRUPTION

The Corruption of The Old World has been recreated right here in The US right in front of us, while the liberal-controlled media and institutions of higher learning cheer it on, thus enabling congress to grease the skids of The Biggest Heist Of Alltime known as TARP for TBTF, healthcare 'reform', ARRA, "Cash for Klunkers", Dodd-Frank Banking "Reform" etc etc, ad nauseum.

oh - almost fergot: the crowning 'achievement' known as: federalhousingtaxcredit.com - the $8000 giveaway/scam that 'succeeded' in what, precisely? besides juicing the NAR's propaganda machine for a couple of quarters....

like i've mentioned: the Founding Fathers must be rolling in their graves and i believe that if they were to come back from the dead, would burn DC to the ground and start over.

other than that, i really dont have much of an opinion on the matter.

[Slimprofits]

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May 2, 2011
The Scene at Ground Zero

Posted by Meredith Blake

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...#ixzz1LDx9B8uj



A candle in hand, Caitlin Mauser, the group’s unofficial leader, described the mood: “It’s similar to the way it felt on 9/11, that feeling of unity. No matter what race, religion, or color, you’re an American tonight.”




A former Marine, Lance (who wouldn’t provide his last name) was selling American flags for three dollars apiece. “I’m glad that guy is caught,” he said.

[lakedaemonian]

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Osama Bin Laden - World Hide and Seek Champion 2001 - 2011 Inclusive

Actually a comment needs to be made about how Bad the Pakistani Intelligence/MIlitary/Government is at playing 'Where's Waldo".

Imaghine for a moment a bit of revisionist history:

It's 1955

We are in West Point, New York in the US or Sandhurst, Berkshire in the UK

And the Russians find Adolph Hitler hiding amongst a relatively small community literally surrounded by thousands of current and prior service US and UK soldiers, respectively.

Not a good look is it?

IF Bin Laden was dead for years(as the birthers/"deaders" would have you think) would it make sense to so seriously embarrass Pakistan?

The US entered Pakistan without the operational cooperation/knowledge of Pakistani intelligence/military/government and killed Bin Laden within 2km of Pakistan's version of West Point/Sandhurst.

Pakistan has just been "pantsed" in front of the entire world.

IF Pakistan had ANY involvement in this(which I seriously doubt) the price would have to be insanely high(Afghanistan?).

Speaking of Afghanistan......talk about an opportunity to leverage this for all it's worth.....I doubt Bin Laden will play THAT heavily in the 2012 election.....but an opportunity to draw down Afghanistan mission and declare Mission Accomplished(also prematurely)! would play well in 2012.

It could also be a signal for a seismic and strategic shift away from Pakistan and towards a more natural alignment with India.

Cold War 2, and Pakistan is NOT a US ally.....but an ally of China.

Pakistan's days of playing all sides to it's benefit are quickly ending(I sincerely hope).

Pakistan's ISI media ops folks will be working overtime to spin this....but how can you spin to the world just an incredibly embarrassing crisis?

BIG CHANGES AHEAD.

[don]

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Osama Bin Laden: Dead or Alive?

by David Ray Griffin



Is Osama bin Laden still alive? I have dealt with this question in a recent little book entitled Osama bin Laden: Dead or Alive? The present essay summarizes the main points of this book.

Since the transference of power from the Bush administration to that of Barack Obama administration, the question of whether bin Laden is dead or alive has become more important.

Although George W. Bush famously said that he wanted Osama bin Laden “dead or alive,” he made clear that he was not serious about this. Besides stating that he was not concerned about bin Laden, he demonstrated this by diverting most of America’s military resources to Iraq. Bush could, of course, be unconcerned about bin Laden because he knew that, besides the fact that bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11, he was probably dead anyway.

I do not know what President Obama and his people think about these matters, but their rhetoric presupposes that bin Laden was responsible for 9/11 and is still alive.

In November 2008, for example, a Washington Post story said:

“President-elect Barack Obama . . . intends to renew the U.S. commitment to the hunt for Osama bin Laden. . . . ‘This is our enemy,’ one adviser said of bin Laden, ‘and he should be our principal target.’”

In his White House address of March 27 of this year, President Obama said:

“[A]l Qaeda and its allies - the terrorists who planned and supported the 9/11 attacks - are in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Multiple intelligence estimates have warned that al Qaeda is actively planning attacks on the U.S. homeland from its safe-haven in Pakistan. . . . [A]l Qaeda and its extremist allies have moved across the border to the remote areas of the Pakistani frontier. This almost certainly includes al Qaeda's leadership: Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri.”

Obama has appealed regularly to these intelligence estimates, which have invariably claimed that bin Laden is hiding in Pakistan, somewhere along its border with Pakistan. This claim has been used to justify the extension of US military activity into Pakistan, with the result that people now speak of the “AfPak war.”

One way to argue against this war is to point out that, if these intelligence experts do not even know whether bin Laden is alive, they certainly cannot know where he is and what he is thinking.

There are, to be sure, other good arguments against the this war, and many critics are making these arguments. But to point out that bin Laden is almost certainly dead provides an argument that goes to the heart of the publically articulated rationale for this war.

Of course, another way to argue against this war would be to point out that bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11. But even though our own FBI has admitted that it “has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11,” a large part of the American population has been conditioned to reject all revisionism about 9/11 out of hand. As we saw recently with “the Van Jones affair,” people are considered unfit for public service if they once signed a document suggesting that the official account of 9/11 might not be fully true.

My little bin Laden book is primarily for people who, besides assuming that Osama bin Laden was responsible for the 9/11 attacks, also believe that the AfPak war is justifiable because we need to prevent him from planning another attack. Many such people will turn against the war if they become aware of convincing evidence that bin Laden is almost certainly dead. There is considerable evidence for this conclusion.

This evidence is of two types: objective evidence and testimonies.

Objective Evidence that Bin Laden is Dead

The objective evidence includes the following facts:

First, up until mid-December 13, 2001, the CIA had regularly been intercepting messages between bin Laden and his people. At that time, however, the messages suddenly stopped, and the CIA has never again intercepted a message.

Second, on December 26, 2001, a leading Pakistani newspaper published a story reporting that bin Laden had died in mid-December, adding:

“A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement . . . stated . . . that he had himself attended the funeral of bin Laden and saw his face prior to burial.”

Third, bin Laden had kidney disease. He had been treated for it in the American Hospital in Dubai in July 2001, at which time he reportedly ordered two dialysis machines to take home. If you have ever wondered what bin Laden was doing the night before the 9/11 attacks, CBS News reported that he was being given kidney dialysis treatment in a hospital in Pakistan. And in January of 2001, Dr. Sanjay Gupta said – based on a video of bin Laden that had been made in either late November or early December of 2001 – that he appeared to be in the last stages of kidney failure.

Fourth, In July of 2002, CNN reported that bin Laden’s bodyguards had been captured in February of that year, adding: “Sources believe that if the bodyguards were captured away from bin Laden, it is likely the most-wanted man in the world is dead.”

Fifth, the United States has since 2001 offered a $25 million reward for any information leading to the capture or killing of bin Laden. But this reward offer has produced no such information, even though Pakistan has many desperately poor people, only about half of whom have been supportive of bin Laden.

Testimonial Evidence that Bin Laden Is Dead

In addition to this objective evidence, we had considerable testimony in 2002, from people in position to know, that bin Laden was dead, or probably so. These people included:

• President Musharraf of Pakistan;

• Dale Watson, the head of the FBI’s counterterrorism unit;

• Oliver North, who said: “I'm certain that Osama is dead. . . And so are all the other guys I stay in touch with”;

• President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan;

• Sources within Israeli intelligence, who said that any new messages from bin Laden were “probably fabrications”;

• Sources within Pakistani intelligence, who “confirmed the death of . . . Osama Bin Laden” and “attributed the reasons behind Washington's hiding news on the death of Osama Bin Laden to the desire of the hawks of the American administration to use the issue of al-Qaida and international terrorism to invade Iraq.”

For this reason, perhaps, the stories about the demise of bin Laden largely came to an end in the latter part of 2002, when the United States was gearing up for its attack on Iraq. From then until now, there have been few such stories.

Recently, however, two former intelligence officers have spoken out. In October 2008, former CIA case officer Robert Baer suggested in passing during an interview on National Public Radio that bin Laden was no longer among the living. When Baer was asked about this, he said: “Of course he’s dead.”

In March of 2009, former Foreign Service officer Angelo Codevilla published an essay in the American Spectator entitled “Osama bin Elvis.” Explaining his title, Codevilla wrote: “Seven years after Osama bin Laden's last verifiable appearance among the living, there is more evidence for Elvis's presence among us than for his.”

What about the “Messages from Osama bin Laden”?

Many people, of course, assume that there is a lot of evidence that bin Laden is still alive, namely, the dozens of audio tape and video tape “messages from bin Laden” that have appeared since 2001. These tapes provide good evidence, however, only if they are authentic. The longest chapter of my book is devoted to this question.

I show, in the first place, that the technology for making fake audio and video tapes is now so advanced that even experts can be fooled. So although the press regularly tells us that intelligence agencies have authenticated the latest bin Laden tape, it is virtually impossible to prove a tape to be authentic.

It is sometimes possible, however, to prove a tape to be a fake. For example: If the person hired to play bin Laden writes with his right hand; if he is much heavier and darker than bin Laden was in a tape made about the same time; if he has fatter hands and shorter fingers; if his nose has a different shape. And if, in discussing the Twin Towers, he says that the fire melted the steel, whereas the real bin Laden would have known that a building fire cannot melt steel. I am speaking here of the video that was allegedly found by US troops in Jalalabad, Afghanistan, in November 2001, which is widely known as the “bin Laden confession video.”

Also obviously fabricated was the “October Surprise” video, which appeared on October 29, 2004, just in time to help George W. Bush get reelected. One clue that it was a fake, aside from its timing, is provided by its language. Bin Laden’s own messages were saturated with references to Allah and the Prophet Mohammed. But in this October Surprise video, Allah was mentioned rarely and the only “Mohammad” mentioned was Mohamed Atta. Also, whereas undoubtedly authentic bin Laden messages portrayed worldly events as cause or at least permitted by Allah, the speaker on this October Surprise video gave a purely secular account of events, even telling the American people: “Your security is in your own hands.”

The most obviously faked video is one that, appearing in 2007, was identical to the October Surprise video of 2004, except that the bin Laden figure now had a completely black beard, leading me to call it the video from “Blackbeard the Terrorist.” Although pundits tried, with straight faces, to explain why bin Laden might have dyed his beard, or put on a fake one, this video was best treated with the respect it deserved by a YouTube video featuring a actor wearing a very long, very black, beard, and saying:

Hello, long time no see. It is me, Osama bin Laden. And no, this not to be confused with just-for-men hair color commercial. . . . I make this video to prove to world that me still alive and kicking.

This video is very funny. But there is, of course, nothing funny about the fact that obviously fake bin Laden videos have been used, and are still being used, to justify the AfPak war, which continues to kill dozens if not hundreds of innocent people each week, including women and children attending weddings and funerals.

Conclusion

If my little book, by showing that bin Laden has probably long been dead, can help shorten this war, it will have served its main purpose.

Its other main point, to which a separate chapter is devoted, is that these fake bin Laden tapes appear to be simply one part of an extensive propaganda operation, in which the US military intelligence is using tax dollars – illegally – to propagandize the American public, with the aim of furthering the militarization of America and its foreign policy.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15601

"the American people see what they want to see, and hear what they want to hear."

[Ghent12]

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Yes, it reeks of psyops. From killing a guy who's probably been dead for years, to "burying" the body at sea, to the "spontaneous" crowds chanting USA - the large, brand new flags was a nice touch - where do you find these late on a Sunday? To me the real question is, why now?

You obviously have no American friends, or only a very select few. Ask any American in their 20's what their FB newsfeed looks like, and you'll find something not dissimilar to what you facetiously call "spontaneous" crowds. There is literally no reason whatsoever to doubt the authenticity of those crowds.

This doesn't reek of psyops at all. There is a very remote possibility that it was, and that possibility will surely give way to the creation of "Deaders" which will become another fringe group of gullible people willing to believe the opposite of "the official story" on anything. You seem to be on the forefront of this--maybe you should found some websites and demand "the Truth!" Don't let pesky facts like helicopters get in your way though.

[lektrode]

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You obviously have no American friends, or only a very select few. Ask any American in their 20's what their FB newsfeed looks like, and you'll find something not dissimilar to what you facetiously call "spontaneous" crowds. There is literally no reason whatsoever to doubt the authenticity of those crowds.

i dont think anybody "..doubt(s) the authenticity of those crowds..."

just some are questioning why, when its fairly obvious that the CIA et al knew he was there, for who knows just how long - that 'the news' is dropped in on us on a sunday night (ala paulson/benanke's little sunday nite bulletins a couple years ago) i mean just look at all the 'facts' being thrown wildly about such as 'rumsfeld knew and didnt act' etc - or how about 'they had him in sudan and nobody wanted him' in 1998?

but let a trivial item like HEDGEFUNDS SHORTING THE US DOLLAR make it onto the radar screen - and what, seemingly like MAGIC, happens?

This doesn't reek of psyops at all. There is a very remote possibility that it was, and that possibility will surely give way to the creation of "Deaders" which will become another fringe group of gullible people willing to believe the opposite of "the official story" on anything. You seem to be on the forefront of this--maybe you should found some websites and demand "the Truth!" Don't let pesky facts like helicopters get in your way though.

i for one didnt give the 'birther' BS story one seconds thot and if you knew anything about how the buracracy 'functions' in the state if HI, you'd understand why.

but i do believe that the lamestream media will play up anything the hard-right whips up on this topic, the same way they are playing up the donald, and his flirting with the idea that HE is somehow 'presidential material' while ROTFLMAO!

its quite simple: it plays the hand they've dealt (the rest of us), just like they did in 2008 leading up to the elections.