Trump to win?

[vt]

Re: Trump to win?

DC,

I think you see from other board members too, who the person that needs to stop it is. I said we need to move on, but it continues.

[dcarrigg]

Re: Trump to win?

You have no proof Bannon is anti-Semitic. If you have any please cite the source.

However Congressman Keith Ellison of Minnesota, who appears to be the front runner for the DNC head, seems to have a troubling history of anti-semitism:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2648...robert-spencer

Just stop it.

[Chris Coles]

Re: Trump to win?

That's disgusting, this slander.

So every Jew that's come to his defense, from the Prime Minister of Israel, the many Jews who worked with him (many his hires) at Breitbart.com, Bannon's hiring by Andrew Breitbart - a observant Jew himself - Alan Dershowitz and even America's TV Rabbi, Shmuley Boteach, what, they're all liars too? They're all self-hating Jews? All are apostates who care more about winning than offending G-d by violating His 9th Commandment?

Maybe that's something we should read up ourselves? I'll save us the trouble of looking it up:



What a ufucked-world liberals inhabit. It's one where admitted antisemites (caught on camera, multiple times) are feted and forgiven because they make entertaining movies, whereas others who have spent a life and a career working with Jews and supporting the Jewish state are made anathema because of an allegation (long denied) made by a disgruntled divorced wife.

The issue isn't antisemitism at all. It's that the social justice types need something to restore their tattered narrative to primacy as Bannon has ripped it to shreds and it lies in pieces before their feet.

It's not going to work.

Not disagreeing with you, but a brief clip of a longer interview with Yair Lapid, Israeli Finance Minister 2013-14, turned up on BBC Newsnight last night
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...night-16112016

In it he says something that always jarrs with my understanding of the right to free speech; When asked, is it possible to be anti Zionist without being anti Semite? his answer being: "I think not".

It would seem that ANY attempt, by anyone, regardless of their background, to argue that Israel is acting improperly towards the Palestinian people surrounding them; allows them to be painted anti Semite and thus instantly discredited. That does not accord with my understanding of the right to express honestly held views as free speech; that one may disagree with anything that another might say; but that I defend to the grave their right to say it.

Today, we are, all of us outside Israel, automatically painted as anti-semite if we so much as utter a single word of disgust at their treatment of the Palestinian people.

And I write that when the memory of one of my greatest friends, long gone now but then a very prominent Jew, floods back into my memory of him.

[Woodsman]

Re: Trump to win?

You're most likely not insane DS but this game is a bit more complex than hide and seek. Bear with me. Trump's chief strategist is an anti-Semite. It's a matter of public record. The man hates Jews. He also hates anyone else who doesn't fit his narrow definition of worthwhile humans but that's another discussion...

That's disgusting, this slander.

So every Jew that's come to his defense, from the Prime Minister of Israel, the many Jews who worked with him (many his hires) at Breitbart.com, Bannon's hiring by Andrew Breitbart - a observant Jew himself - Alan Dershowitz and even America's TV Rabbi, Shmuley Boteach, what, they're all liars too? They're all self-hating Jews? All are apostates who care more about winning than offending G-d by violating His 9th Commandment?

Maybe that's something we should read up ourselves? I'll save us the trouble of looking it up:

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor."

What a ufcked-world liberals inhabit. It's one where admitted antisemites (caught on camera, multiple times) are feted and forgiven because they make entertaining movies, whereas others who have spent a life and a career working with Jews and supporting the Jewish state are made anathema because of an allegation (long denied) made by a disgruntled divorced wife.

The issue isn't antisemitism at all. It's that the social justice types need something to restore their tattered narrative to primacy as Bannon has ripped it to shreds and it lies in pieces before their feet.

It's not going to work.

[vt]

Re: Trump to win?

You have no proof Bannon is anti-Semitic. If you have any please cite the source.

However Congressman Keith Ellison of Minnesota, who appears to be the front runner for the DNC head, seems to have a troubling history of anti-semitism:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2648...robert-spencer

[santafe2]

Re: Trump to win?

My first choice for President never ran. Elizabeth Warren has issued a warning to DJT...we will hold you to your promises. We will crush you if you move away from your promises. I'm with her. I suspect the iTulip crayon clan will now demonize her. Clan...prove me wrong.

http://www.warren.senate.gov/files/d...ump_Letter.pdf

[santafe2]

Re: Trump to win?

I feel like I might be going insane. Wasn't it you who was telling us yesterday that Trump's chief strategist was an anti-semite. Are you now saying that Trump's Jewish son-in-law is calling the shots? These conspiracies are getting very confusing.

You're most likely not insane DS but this game is a bit more complex than hide and seek. Bear with me. Trump's chief strategist is an anti-Semite. It's a matter of public record. The man hates Jews. He also hates anyone else who doesn't fit his narrow definition of worthwhile humans but that's another discussion.

But The Donald trusts his family more than anyone outside that circle. He trusts his daughter Ivanka and her husband as much as anyone in the family. He has to choose between the anti-Semitic BS of Steve Bannon and his family. I suspect that's too complex an idea for you and the rest of the iTulip crayon clan to process.

Jared is the son of a long standing New Jersey crime family. His father is indefensible...and a multi-billionaire. The Trump crime family are still pretenders but they have an exalted position. I know it's tough to try and wrap your brain around these ideas but money and power often Trumps religion.

[Woodsman]

Re: Trump to win?

Not sure what to think of this because I don't disagree with you, but the thought that Russian government-funded media might be a more reliable source on US affairs than any domestic media is troubling, to say the least.

RT might wind up being the 1st Amendment's canary in a coal mine. Irony abounds. Just like today with The Times insisting they treated both candidates "fairly" in the same open letter where they "rededicate" themselves to good journalism, only to retract the fairly line a few hours later.

[Woodsman]

Re: Trump to win?

Occam's razor might suggest a different explanation.

Mr. Trump's daughter, Ivanka, is married to a young man named Jared Kushner.
Jared Kushner is a close adviser to Mr. Trump, and is especially involved in the transition.
Jared Kushner's father is Charles Kushner.

Charles spent two years in a federal prison after he was was convicted of making illegal campaign contributions, tax evasion and witness tampering.
The federal prosecutor that convicted the elder Kushner is Chris Christie.

The younger Kushner may have pushed out Mr. Christie for sending his dad to prison.
Simple personal revenge might explain it all.

Revenge is never simple. I think Christie glommed on to Trump because having been shellacked in the primaries and with Bridgegate nipping at his heels, it was go for broke time. He had no place else to go. Who can forget this priceless moment:

Trump took Christie on for the establishment cred and who knows, maybe just for the sheer pleasure of hanging another GOP skull on his wall. He pretty much owned the guy from that moment on. I'm sure Kushner the Younger's desire to set things right for his old man had a tangential influence, but would not the Occam's razor lead us to conclude that having no further use of Christie and given his baggage, it was simply the right time to fire the guy. He may keep him on in some humiliating bottle washer capacity in the event he might one day prove useful, or it could be that Christie might find his manhood again and walk. And nobody really cares outside of the geek prom set. The guy is a piece of work anyway and I'm glad to see his influence diminish.

The only thing Trump has going for him in that town is his inner circle and the support of the voters who elected him. The more he plays to those voters and appears to be fighting against the Washington establishment, Democrat or Republican, he's winning.

Every other faction in the D.C. Metro wants him gone, one way or another. It's hard to say who despises him more, the press or the Democrats. The Federal nomeklatura is 98% Democrat, excepting the guys and gals with the guns who skew towards the right. And the GOP leadership doesn't care for him either, but right now they're terrified of what comes next and none of them want to cross President Trump before the honeymoon never starts.

Has there been a president since Lincoln who has elicited such unbridled hate from his opposition?

[thriftyandboringinohio]

Re: Trump to win?

the theory i read about christie was that he stopped speaking as a surrogate after the access hollywood video showed up, and so was "disloyal." also, of course, christie may have been distracted by the bridgegate convictions. whatever.

Occam's razor might suggest a different explanation.

Mr. Trump's daughter, Ivanka, is married to a young man named Jared Kushner.
Jared Kushner is a close adviser to Mr. Trump, and is especially involved in the transition.
Jared Kushner's father is Charles Kushner.

Charles spent two years in a federal prison after he was was convicted of making illegal campaign contributions, tax evasion and witness tampering.
The federal prosecutor that convicted the elder Kushner is Chris Christie.

The younger Kushner may have pushed out Mr. Christie for sending his dad to prison.
Simple personal revenge might explain it all.

[thriftyandboringinohio]

Re: Trump to win?

Here's a link:

https://www.rt.com/usa/366579-soros-...rump-protests/

There are others like this but from right wing type sources. However we know a lot of the major press is more liberal and won't report it if there was some.

We don't have an independent press anymore through I'll continue to search for a diamond in the rough

This may be the best source for now, through that hopefully will change with more additions:

http://www.snopes.com/craigslist-ad-trump-rally/

I did finally read that link, vt, thanks for providing it.
It say that moveon.org is doing everything it can to convince people to join public demonstrations.

How is that wrong, or dangerous, or even a surprise?

[bpr]

Re: Trump to win?

Here's a link:

https://www.rt.com/usa/366579-soros-...rump-protests/

There are others like this but from right wing type sources...

Not sure what to think of this because I don't disagree with you, but the thought that Russian government-funded media might be a more reliable source on US affairs than any domestic media is troubling, to say the least.

[jk]

Re: Trump to win?

the theory i read about christie was that he stopped speaking as a surrogate after the access hollywood video showed up, and so was "disloyal." also, of course, christie may have been distracted by the bridgegate convictions. whatever.

[dcarrigg]

Re: Trump to win?

I feel like I might be going insane.

It's really press-wide right now. On the radio this morning, they were simultaneously hand-wringing about anti-semites in the administration whilst hand-wringing about Trump maybe moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. They called Bannon an anti-Semite, then nearly in the next breath talked about his extremely pro-Israel positions that might put the US relationship with other gulf allied states at risk.

I suppose there's some off chance that one could be an anti-semite playing a long-con wherein your plan is to play to the most nationalistic Israeli sentiments and parties in order to somehow provoke a conflict Helter Skelter style or something. But I haven't heard that conspiracy theory yet. And it's Charles Manson levels of crazy. So far they just present it and don't even talk about the cognitive dissonance.

Also heard on the news this morning on supposedly liberal radio: "He's floating some very right wing foreign policy people this week, not at all like the moderates from the George W. Bush administration." Then they proceeded to talk about how Trump's isolationist and anti-globalist. The semantic drift it takes to call guys like Bolton "moderates" nearly made my head explode.

But it's not limited to even the normal talking heads either. I was looking into space policy. First I read he's cancelling everything to do with climate science. Then I read he's creating NASA partnerships for climate science. I read that it looks good for human space exploration and Mars, bad for climate/earth science. Then I read Trump's plan boils down to going to Mars. Except right after that I read that Trump doesn't want to go to the moon or Mars. He wants to go to outer solar system instead. And then I read Forget Mars. We're going to Europa.

Each and every single article totally contradicts the rest. One thing I know...we don't know much.

[DSpencer]

Re: Trump to win?

What happens when you cross the Trump family? Not that anyone should feel sorry for him, but ask Chris Christie.

Last Thursday Christie was leading the Trump transition team. Today, he and his entire team have been purged. One of them called it “Stalinesque”.

What the hell happened to the Trump Christie love fest?

It turns out that Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, has a less than happy relationship with Christie.

As US Attorney for the District of New Jersey, Christie made his name with a very public and embarrassing prosecution of Charles Kushner in 2004. You guessed it, Jared’s father.

Should you take sides? Hardly. Charles Kushner is a Democrat and a disgusting head of a crime family. Chris Christie is a not too bright wanna be Republican criminal. He and his minions just found out what happens when you cross the big dog.

The point of my story is that crime families do not stray very far. Jared is very comfortable in his new one. As he gains power in the Trump administration, keep your eye on him and don't cross him.

Drain the swamp….I'm sure that's what Jared has in mind.

I feel like I might be going insane. Wasn't it you who was telling us yesterday that Trump's chief strategist was an anti-semite. Are you now saying that Trump's Jewish son-in-law is calling the shots? These conspiracies are getting very confusing.