Trump to win?

[jk]

Re: Trump to win?

The Woodsman strategery rolls on!

the republican party is certainly disrupted at the moment, but it remains to be seen whether and in what form it might come back together given either outcome of the presidential vote. if trump loses as per the current polling they might even revert to the same old same old.

the democrats are not disrupted yet, and it's unclear whether even defeat in november would change that party much. of course if hrc loses the dems need to move on to a new generation of candidates, and those are mighty thin on the ground.

[Woodsman]

Re: Trump to win?

And on!

“When humans lose their ability to make sense of rapid global change and the old story collapses and leaves a void, we need new ways of thinking, and we need them fast. At present, though, we are still in the nihilist moment of disillusionment and anger, in which people lose faith in the old story but before they have embraced a new one. This is the Trump moment” [The New Yorker].

Gramsci said it better (from memory): “The old is dying and the new is struggling to be born. In the interim, a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.”

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/...-10112016.html

[Woodsman]

Re: Trump to win?

The Woodsman strategery rolls on!

At this point, we suspect that no matter who "wins" this internal struggle between Trump and the establishment candidates, the Republican party, as it is currently known, is already dead. To some extent, that, in and of itself, means that Trump has already won as the whole point of his candidacy and basis of his support was a complete disruption of establishment control of Washington...on both sides of the aisle...which is something that establishment Republicans have failed to understand from the very start of this election cycle.
Civil War Breaks Out Between Donald Trump And Paul Ryan

[lakedaemonian]

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Best. Smackdown. Ever.

I wonder if the on screen awkward "punishment" of both Hillary Clinton's "You'd be in jail" and Bill Clinton's "Four horse women of the apocalypse" will turn out to be an Orwellian "Two Minute Hate".

I thought Trump's performance improved significantly from the first formal debate to the second town hall format debate.

But I don't see him getting first past the post, unless the very heavy one sided anti-Trump effort that is being broadcast 24/7/365 in traditional media completely fails to penetrate the anonymity of the voting booth.

A BREXIT squared maybe?

Otherwise the only cost to the Clinton Dynasty is a politically correct toothlessTwo Minute Hate or artificial Struggle Session.

[lektrode]

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I agree that it's a bad situation. However, one of the features that makes our country great is that we don't elect dictators. ...

'not yet' you mean...

when the hillamonster 'takes over'
The United States of America - as We, The People have known it, paid for it,
with BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS - for the past Two Hundred Forty Years - NAY, going on 400 years?

will be 'officially' D.E.A.D.
with the complete AND UTTERLY H.O.S.T.I.L.E takeover of the entire us.gov

which WILL BE, if not already- a WHOLLY-OWNED subsidiary of the Fascist State of amerika
headquartered in lower manhattan, with the 'imperial palace' located in chappaqua

[DSpencer]

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Shiny, I agree, it is funny but at the same time so sad that we are enjoying something real and not a skit on Saturday Night Live.

The first debate, it didn't quite sink in.

Sunday night's debate, and it hit me really hard what a place this country is in right now.

I agree that it's a bad situation. However, one of the features that makes our country great is that we don't elect dictators. Even though our last few presidents have abused their executive power, those overreaches are still small compared to what some countries are dealing with. Hopefully, I have not jinxed us.

[wayiwalk]

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Shiny, I agree, it is funny but at the same time so sad that we are enjoying something real and not a skit on Saturday Night Live.

The first debate, it didn't quite sink in.

Sunday night's debate, and it hit me really hard what a place this country is in right now.

[shiny!]

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This made me feel all warm and fuzzy:

clinton.jpg

[shiny!]

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Best. Smackdown. Ever.

Clinton replied: 'Its just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law of our country.'

'Because you'd be in jail,' he snapped.

[gwynedd1]

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Big smiles on the love! While I'm disappointed that the bastards seem to be bamboozling you I'm betting you'll think again once in the voting booth.

And for sure if ever the guy runs for Pope or Pastor I'll be right there on the barricades with you, Shiny! But as the political wreaking ball to the status quo, we couldn't ask for a better guy if we made one up from scratch.

If Trump were any worse, he be just like the DC sewer . If he were any better, Snidely Whiplash would send him to the bottom of it. I don't want Billy Graham giving a sermon to a flock gone astray.
I want a ruthless hitman that takes on his own while sparing the civilians. Congress is full of scumbags. Didn't we want someone to tell them they are?

No wife , no kids.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcQtUdZ5Afs

[lektrode]

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That line of Santa's stuck out to me, too... I'm surprised the concentration of whites in the lowest is actually that low; I'd expect it to be more like 60-63%.

Seems to me a symptom of our sort of demographic pigeonholing that we forget that, yeah, statistically, when we break people up into age groups, income groups, gender groups... the majority of all of them still are white (except for the upper income strata / more privileged situations where you have a higher concentration of whites). And then we break that out into the greater generalization that All whites are going to vote this way... and we just lose all credibility, because those numbers are based on polls of no more than a couple thousand likely voters.

It all gets looney pretty fast, and it's best to remember Bernie's "shocking" win in the Michigan Primary...

yeah but "....at this point, what difference does it make..."
what THE TRUTH is, anyway.
the hillamonster wouldnt know what 'truth' is if hit slapped her the face
and 'she only lies' when her mouth opens...

[bpr]

Re: Trump to win?

Originally Posted by santafe2
"The costs may be paid by the ‘lowest socio-economic strata’ in the US but for the most part, those folks in the US are not white."

Unfortunately Santa Fe's facts are incorrect.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2013pubs/acsbr11-17.pdf

24.8 million are white

11.34 million are African American

11,62 are Hispanic

So there are more whites than African American and Hispanics together. All of these numbers are unacceptable but in the 44 years since I was a Vista Volunteer and over $1 trillion spent we have not made progress. Federal and state government and education has not done it's job.

That line of Santa's stuck out to me, too... I'm surprised the concentration of whites in the lowest is actually that low; I'd expect it to be more like 60-63%.

Seems to me a symptom of our sort of demographic pigeonholing that we forget that, yeah, statistically, when we break people up into age groups, income groups, gender groups... the majority of all of them still are white (except for the upper income strata / more privileged situations where you have a higher concentration of whites). And then we break that out into the greater generalization that All whites are going to vote this way... and we just lose all credibility, because those numbers are based on polls of no more than a couple thousand likely voters.

It all gets looney pretty fast, and it's best to remember Bernie's "shocking" win in the Michigan Primary...

[Woodsman]

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I also think there is a real Trump phenomenon...

If you like JMG, the you just HAVE to read Morris Berman, author of The Twilight of American Culture, Dark Ages America: The Final Phase of Empire and Why America Failed: The Roots of Imperial Decline. I read both Greer's and Berman's blogs. You'll find that Berman's readers are pretty much convinced Greer has lifted whole parts of Berman's work and used it unattributed. I'm not interested in the kerfuffle (and neither is Berman, apparently) but I did come to Berman before finding Greer and noticed the similarities myself. I think it's too bad JMG and Berman couldn't work together, as Berman has all the intellectual rigor Greer doesn't and none of Greer's marketing hustle. Anyway, I hope you check him out.

[vt]

Re: Trump to win?

Originally Posted by santafe2
"The costs may be paid by the ‘lowest socio-economic strata’ in the US but for the most part, those folks in the US are not white."

Unfortunately Santa Fe's facts are incorrect.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2013pubs/acsbr11-17.pdf

24.8 million are white

11.34 million are African American

11,62 are Hispanic

So there are more whites than African American and Hispanics together. All of these numbers are unacceptable but in the 44 years since I was a Vista Volunteer and over $1 trillion spent we have not made progress. Federal and state government and education has not done it's job.

[Ellen Z]

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The costs may be paid by the ‘lowest socio-economic strata’ in the US but for the most part, those folks in the US are not white. Almost all Trump voters are white and are not in the ‘lowest socio-economic strata’. You can’t conflate economic position with Trump voters.

Trump’s voters may or may not include the "lowest economic strata" but it seems to me many of his voters are people whose economic status declined dramatically over the past 30 years. People whose families used to be comfortable, and now are barely scraping by.

A couple of years ago I heard Robert Putnam talk about his research, now a book "Our Kids: The American Dream in Crisis." Putnam went back to his high school (Port Clinton, Ohio, graduated in 1959) to see what had happened to his classmates and their children. Generally speaking his classmates’ lives were better than their parents. However, their children and grandchildren have led hard lives, with diminishing prospects, broken families, no community support. "The factories shut down."

Since hearing that talk, I see things in a different way. When I hear stories now about the meth epidemic, or statistics on obesity, I see connections. "It’s because the factories shut down. For a while there were good-paying jobs, and then there weren’t."

There are a lot of people in that position. I don't know how many. To my mind, they are one of the largest groups fueling the Trump rallies.