the strong usd

[Chris Coles]

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This page from Eastern Virginia Medical School may be a much better source of background information on the use of Vitamin C https://www.evms.edu/search_results/...d+septic+shock

[Chris Coles]

Re: the strong usd

For the record, this is the work of Dr Paul E Marik MD with regard to his work using Vitamin C to treat Sepsis. https://www.dr-rath-foundation.org/2...k-have-scurvy/

[shiny!]

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i have heard similar anecdotes, and it is for the moment the standard protocol at the local academic hospital for early-mild-moderate covid-19. don't know how you run a double blind study right now- if you think it can help [but are not sure] do you give it to some and placebo to others? and watch some of them die?

New York got their hands on "750,000 doses of the malaria drug chloroquine; 70,000 doses of its derivative, hydroxychloroquine; and 10,000 doses of the antibiotic Zithromax to use in trials set to begin Tuesday."

[Southernguy]

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Sure...

I am not arguing that you are wrong, simply that it is my understanding, (yes, agreed does not conform to yours), that the discovery of the use of intravenous Vitamin C, Hydrocortisone and Thiamine as an much improved treatment for sepsis has opened the door to new forms of treatment for coronavirus using Vitamin C. We have a difference of opinion; that is surely perfectly acceptable as a form of debate?

[jk]

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i have heard similar anecdotes, and it is for the moment the standard protocol at the local academic hospital for early-mild-moderate covid-19. don't know how you run a double blind study right now- if you think it can help [but are not sure] do you give it to some and placebo to others? and watch some of them die?

[shiny!]

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No. Read the paper. They excluded the four cases where the treatment wasn't effective and resulted in death.

A double blind trial would be necessary. I have heard, anecdotally, that this has helped though.

That's why I said it was a "potential cure" not "cure."

[Chris]

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No. Read the paper. They excluded the four cases where the treatment wasn't effective and resulted in death.

A double blind trial would be necessary. I have heard, anecdotally, that this has helped though.

^{Potential cure:}

[Chris Coles]

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In my post before yours is the information. So far the global mortality rate is 4.47%. It is highly variable according to a number of factors. But it is a known fact. That is so far, nobody knows what shall be in the future, but it can be outlined with the known information about the evolution of the pandemic so far.

I am not arguing that you are wrong, simply that it is my understanding, (yes, agreed does not conform to yours), that the discovery of the use of intravenous Vitamin C, Hydrocortisone and Thiamine as an much improved treatment for sepsis has opened the door to new forms of treatment for coronavirus using Vitamin C. We have a difference of opinion; that is surely perfectly acceptable as a form of debate?

[Southernguy]

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Since quite some decades ago Linus Pauling said vit C was a kind of panacea for everything from cold to cancer it's been thoroughly demonstrated it is necessary only in the recommended doses (don't remember exactly some 40 mg./day maybe) which you take with a good diet. The rest you urinate. Never heard of your unfortunate condition. As almost everybody in those days had my daily 500 mg. redoxon tablets. I chewed them and liked very much. Specially in winter.

Thanks SouthernGuy for trying to clear the air before this degenerates into a name calling spat. That is a very insightful article.

Let me "add to the debate". I take 1000mg of Vitamin C everyday. I do this because as a result of an ill thought out experiment with Megadose therapy in my youth I developed a vitamin dependency. If I go without my Vitamin C for a few days I develop scurvy. Scurvy can kill you dead. Moral: Pills = Bad. OK?

[globaleconomicollaps]

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In my post before yours is the information. So far the global mortality rate is 4.47%. It is highly variable according to a number of factors. But it is a known fact. That is so far, nobody knows what shall be in the future, but it can be outlined with the known information about the evolution of the pandemic so far.

Thanks SouthernGuy for trying to clear the air before this degenerates into a name calling spat. That is a very insightful article.

Let me "add to the debate". I take 1000mg of Vitamin C everyday. I do this because as a result of an ill thought out experiment with Megadose therapy in my youth I developed a vitamin dependency. If I go without my Vitamin C for a few days I develop scurvy. Scurvy can kill you dead. Moral: Pills = Bad. OK?

[Southernguy]

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In my post before yours is the information. So far the global mortality rate is 4.47%. It is highly variable according to a number of factors. But it is a known fact. That is so far, nobody knows what shall be in the future, but it can be outlined with the known information about the evolution of the pandemic so far.

[Chris Coles]

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Nobody knows what the death rate is from this disease

And that is the fact of this; call me what you will, but my viewpoint remains, until we get a full analysis; "Nobody knows what the death rate is from this disease".

As for the use of Vitamin C; it is a long term known fact that all viruses are susceptible to treatment from the administration of Vitamin C . That the recent news, that intravenous Vitamin C, Hydrocortisone and Thiamine, (Vitamin B1) is a greatly effective treatment for Sepsis, blood poisoning, and that is well set out here: https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/02/24/iv-vitamin-c.aspx or again here: https://search.mercola.com/results.a...%20coronavirus

All I am doing is adding to a debate; as I have done for many years here.

[Southernguy]

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From: https://www.scmp.com/news/world/euro...-italy-germany
So far global mortality 4.47% Vast disparity between Italy (circa 10%) from Germany, less than 0.5%. By the way the article tries to explain such disparity.


Confirmed Covid-19 cases
Total
339,590
cases


15,205
deaths


96,257
recovered




Cases
Deaths

• Mainland China
  81,093
  3,270
  
• Italy
  59,138
  5,476
  
• Spain
  33,089
  2,182
  
• United States**
  32,514
  400
  
• Iran
  23,049
  1,872
  
• Germany
  22,672
  86
  
• France
  16,018
  674
  
• South Korea
  8,961
  110
  
• Switzerland
  7,014
  85
  
• United Kingdom
  5,683
  281

On the contrary. The Imperial College report is happy talk Pollyanna level of wishful thinking. The infectivity of the disease is two or three time as high as they are modeling. Drug therapy might or might not work but that is not proven yet and will undoubtedly be applied in a hospital ( i.e. when it is too late).

Why exactly do you think that world governments are going straight to the lock-down plan? Is it just a contest to show who can abuse authority the most? Did China put a half a billion people under house arrest for kicks? Nobody knows what the death rate is from this disease and likewise nobody knows how many people will have permanent lung scaring from a "mild" case. But go on promoting vitamin C and walk around in public if you think this is all hogwash. How old are you Mr. Coles? I'm guessing that you are north of 50 but you talk like a child.

[thriftyandboringinohio]

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For gold mining companies I still endorse the view of Mark Twain from a century ago.
He said a gold mine is a hole in the ground with a liar standing next to it.

Maybe the majors will make some sense to buy later, but I doubt I'll ever buy stock in a junior gold mining company.

[globaleconomicollaps]

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If you are inclined to buy gold mining stock I would wait a bit. Check back in July.