Conan Parodies Ron Paul Ad

[mikedev10]

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There are a number of Ron Paul fans on iTulip, perhaps even a large number.

I am not one of them, however.

Ron Paul has some excellent points, but frankly has just as many bad ones. Those who demonize the Fed (quite probably correctly) see Ron Paul as a hero.

I, who see a return to the gold standard as a disaster, think Ron Paul is more of a gadfly than a stateman: an important role but not one which translates well into actual formation of good policy.

He also seems to fail to recognize the corrosive effects of campaign contributions to the American political process - an issue which I personally think is bigger than anything else, because it is this corrosion which prevents any hope of choosing and implementing good policy.

he actually doesn't want to return us to gold or just turn the fed off. he wants to allow competing currencies and expects the fed will be out-competed and become obsolete.

[mikedev10]

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I'd say "rightwing fringe" would be a pretty accurate description. I've yet to see a Ron Paul supporter come up with a satisfactory explanation of the numerous racist things published under Ron Paul's name for over a decade in his own eponymous newsletter. Even Reason magazine said "Paul's position is basically that he wrote the newsletters he stands by and someone else wrote the stuff he has disowned."

If somehow he didn't know racist tripe was being published under his name for years, he is too incompetent to be president. If he did know, either what was published represents his own racist views, or he isn't a racist but thought that pretending to hold racist views would help his political career or appeal to certain circles (like Stormfront, Neo-Nazis, and all sorts of upstanding citizens). Any of the above would rule him out as someone I would want as president, and certainly put the lie to any idea of Paul as "honorable" or "ethical."

Before you jump in to defend him, please check this page to see if your arguments have already been addressed.

Yes, we have severe political problems in this country, and yes, both parties are implicated, and yes, I even agree with Paul on a number of issues. But let's get real. Ron Paul is not some savior, and has as many skeletons in his closet as all our other dirty career politicians, if not more and worse (and Ron Paul is definitely a career politician).

Enough with the hero worship.

i don't know if he wrote them or not, and if he did, i hope and suspect his views have changed.

as for policies he could care less what color you are and i have a hard time thinking anything would help the black community more than ending the war on drugs, which i don't expect anyone else to put any effort into doing.

[mikedev10]

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Here's the spoof (first an intro and a real Ron Paul ad, then the spoof ad): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUQ3JtI0kxE

I'm curious what the general Ron Paul sentiment is here. We know he's anti-FIRE economy, but he's also very fiscally conservative. Certainly his positions (mostly libertarian and states rights) would not help us develop alternative energy which EJ identified as very important to our future productivity.

and on the ad, i don't like how it ends but i find the first 2/3 pretty funny. as far as paul, i will happily vote for him. i consider myself a practical libertarian and hope to see someone like gary johnson get more attention in 2016. the only other person on the GOP stage i can really stand besides him is huntsman.

i'm on board with EJ's views on a TECI economy and stimulus, and i know full well that a president paul would need to be overridden to pass such a thing. but i don't have a lot of faith in congress to construct one at the moment anyway. and no one else seems like they are going to end the bs wars on terror and drugs, which a president paul would have a lot of power to influence. i don't agree with everything, but i think he's the best of this bunch we've got. i'll happily vote for him and have persuaded many friends to do the same.

[ProdigyofZen]

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I read that article. Angry White Man. I even clicked on the Ron Paul Newsletters link to try and read the letters for myself but they were not to be found. That just about seems like the typical left wing progressive attacking a white man who they deem angry for pointing out certain non PC concepts. You sir can live in the fake vail of society that the media has created but I wish not to.

Everyone knows that black people are faster than whites or asians. How many 100m runners, that have won major competitions,do you know that are white or asian? In fact only one white runner in history has run a sub 10 second 100m and that was a frenchman in 2009. I believe the time was 9.98 or so. It is only good and correct science to realize that their are differences between the three major races. But let me guess you don't think race exists? I will tell you that it doesn't exist in regards to skin color, the skin color of a person is a function of the physical environment that they and their ancestors for the last 100,000 years developed in and it is the least issue to do with what makes someone part of a certain race.

You cannot deny those facts.

But sutter cane you can go back to voting for Obama because you harbour deep seeded white guilt. I get tired of individuals like you perpetuating myths for the sake of political correctness.

I believe it was the wife of JFK who wrote many many negative things about MLK, but she will get a pass of course because she is a liberal democrat and of course if you are a liberal democrat you could never be racist.

Wait I bet you think that only white people can be racist. I will say that the term racist is thrown around very cavalier in society. Most people are ethno-centric not racist. But keep believing in the myths and that all republicans are white racist males.

[oddlots]

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in #8 on this one: http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...garchy-(Hudson)
commenting on how US bankruptcy law encourages risky/dumb behavior in The US (my words)
would appear we need our politicians to start considering same - would guess ron paul might agree?

Not sure about that. RP leans pretty heavily on "the market solves all problems" meme that seems to have infested our thinking. I've never heard him evince any recognition that regulation is required for markets to function in a non-destructive fashion, especially when it comes to credit creation.

[Sutter Cane]

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I read that article. Angry White Man. I even clicked on the Ron Paul Newsletters link to try and read the letters for myself but they were not to be found. That just about seems like the typical left wing progressive attacking a white man who they deem angry for pointing out certain non PC concepts. You sir can live in the fake vail of society that the media has created but I wish not to.

Okay, so you admit that you share the same views as expressed by Paul in his newsletters, and see nothing wrong with them. One might wonder why Paul sought to distance himself from these views, denied involvement in their dissemination, and claimed not to support the contents of these publications.

Everyone knows that black people are faster than whites or asians. How many 100m runners, that have won major competitions,do you know that are white or asian? In fact only one white runner in history has run a sub 10 second 100m and that was a frenchman in 2009. I believe the time was 9.98 or so. It is only good and correct science to realize that their are differences between the three major races. But let me guess you don't think race exists? I will tell you that it doesn't exist in regards to skin color, the skin color of a person is a function of the physical environment that they and their ancestors for the last 100,000 years developed in and it is the least issue to do with what makes someone part of a certain race.

You cannot deny those facts.

I'm not sure what facts I am supposed to be denying, or how you think this supports whatever point you are trying to make.

But sutter cane you can go back to voting for Obama because you harbour deep seeded white guilt. I get tired of individuals like you perpetuating myths for the sake of political correctness.

Just what myths might those be? I looked back on my post, and I missed just what myths I was perpetuating. Looks like I was just linking to sources documenting Ron Paul's own words, and people with whom he keeps company.

I believe it was the wife of JFK who wrote many many negative things about MLK, but she will get a pass of course because she is a liberal democrat and of course if you are a liberal democrat you could never be racist.

Or perhaps she gets a pass because she died nearly 20 years ago, and isn't currently running for president.

Wait I bet you think that only white people can be racist. I will say that the term racist is thrown around very cavalier in society. Most people are ethno-centric not racist. But keep believing in the myths and that all republicans are white racist males.

You sure are making a lot of assumptions about me, just because I don't worship at the altar of Ron Paul.

[Sutter Cane]

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Not sure about that. RP leans pretty heavily on "the market solves all problems" meme that seems to have infested our thinking. I've never heard him evince any recognition that regulation is required for markets to function in a non-destructive fashion, especially when it comes to credit creation.

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[flintlock]

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You're kidding, right? Ron Paul probably lacks the temperment to be an effective president, but Obama is an empty suit if this world has ever seen one. His record of "accomplishments" along with his repeatedly voting "present" makes him a joke.

I'm waiting for EJ to say he made a mistake in '08 by recommending that we vote for this joke.
A Third Party was the only way to have avoided wasting your ballot.

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Its comical reading responses here. Everyone wants to see a change in the system but any time any candidate, from any party, shows up with anything remotely threatening to the present system, out come the knives. Racism? Really? Someone found a way to inject racism into the issue? What a shocker. And not even by Paul himself but by some supporters. Because we all know that every candidate is always 100% responsible for every single idiot supporter says right? Jeremiah Wright ring a bell? Bill Ayers? At least Paul wasn't attending KKK meetings every Sunday. ( that we know of!)

I'm waiting for someone else to knock Ron Paul for his stance on girl scout cookies. Or the color of the wallpaper in the congressional bathrooms. I'm just using Paul as an example. I don't think hes a great fit as President either. It could be any candidate who goes too far outside the lines that we draw for them. The quest for the perfect candidate that you can agree with 100% of the time is going to be 100% fruitless. You have to pick your main focus and go with that and quit being sidetracked by the Red Herrings thrown around out there.

The sooner we realize that politicians are a necessary evil, and not people to worship, the better. Thats something I can agree on.

[Raz]

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Flint, my man; where have you been? Long time - no post!

[Raz]

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Being a Lib is fine with me. It's a free country (well, it used to be!) and you're certainly entitled to your own opinion.
But the Left needs to find a new smear; this "racism" crap is no longer working. Obama supporters are going to find that out next November.

[Sutter Cane]

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i don't know if he wrote them or not, and if he did, i hope and suspect his views have changed.

Isn't this the same thinking for which Obama supporters have been (justifiably) pilloried? Hoping that somebody holds certain views, despite no evidence, or even after actions to the contrary?

[Sutter Cane]

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x2

Its comical reading responses here. Everyone wants to see a change in the system but any time any candidate, from any party, shows up with anything remotely threatening to the present system, out come the knives. Racism? Really? Someone found a way to inject racism into the issue? What a shocker. And not even by Paul himself but by some supporters. Because we all know that every candidate is always 100% responsible for every single idiot supporter says right? Jeremiah Wright ring a bell? Bill Ayers? At least Paul wasn't attending KKK meetings every Sunday. ( that we know of!)

I'm waiting for someone else to knock Ron Paul for his stance on girl scout cookies. Or the color of the wallpaper in the congressional bathrooms. I'm just using Paul as an example. I don't think hes a great fit as President either. It could be any candidate who goes too far outside the lines that we draw for them. The quest for the perfect candidate that you can agree with 100% of the time is going to be 100% fruitless. You have to pick your main focus and go with that and quit being sidetracked by the Red Herrings thrown around out there.

The sooner we realize that politicians are a necessary evil, and not people to worship, the better. Thats something I can agree on.

I agree wholeheartedly on this last point. I'm just tired of Ron Paul being the subject of this outsized hero-worship, while things that are quite unsavory in his past being ignored or explained away. I keep seeing comments from Paul supporters (not on the 'tulip, but in general) along the lines of "Only Ron Paul can save us" or "Ron Paul is the only candidate of integrity in this election", "Ron Paul is the only honorable politician in Washington", etc. When it's just not true. A man of honor wouldn't have published this kind of stuff under his own name in the first place, wouldn't have made half-assed denials about it for years afterwards. Ron Paul is an unsavory career politician who has been pandering to racists for years, either because he is also a racist or because he found it politically expedient to do so. If you want to give him a pass on this because you support him on other issues, fine, but let's quit pretending he is some beacon of integrity. It's pretty simple, really - if I find myself in the same camp as people who go for Stormfront and Neo-Nazi stuff, I tend to look around and decide I'm in the wrong place.

[ProdigyofZen]

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Sorry Sutter Cane, I was not able to view the "Ron Paul Newsletters" I do not subscribe to the site so I was only able to read what was posted and the few instances of supposed "racist" comments by Paul which didnt seem racist at all. They were rooted in reality.


These are the only comments I was able to read. “opinion polls consistently show only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions,” that “if you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be,” and that black representative Barbara Jordan is “the archetypical half-educated victimologist” whose “race and sex protect her from criticism.”

None of that seems so far fetched. I think most people deep down realize that most black politicians get a pass based solely on their race. Kinda like how Obama got a pass during the 08 election on just about everything from the MSM and I bet that was due to the color of his skin. In fact if you criticized Obama you were called a racist!

White people are not allowed to criticize any person of color because if they do they will immediately be thought of as a racist or even called one.

I am making assumptions about you because you came on a public forum just to try and discredit and destroy Ron Paul with leftest propaganda. I udnerstand you don't worship at the altar of Ron Paul (whatever that means) but I bet you worship at the alter of Barack Obama.

[ProdigyofZen]

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Cane I just think you are delusional. I don't worship ron paul but I do think he would be the best candidate to even have a "chance" to change anything in Washington. Keep doing the lefts bidding by trying to expose Paul as a racist. That tactic works wonders.

This is how ridiculous this victimhood and racial smears have gone.

A special meeting about Dallas County traffic tickets turned tense and bizarre this afternoon.

County commissioners were discussing problems with the central collections office that is used to process traffic ticket payments and handle other paperwork normally done by the JP Courts.

Commissioner Kenneth Mayfield, who is white, said it seemed that central collections "has become a black hole" because paperwork reportedly has become lost in the office.

Commissioner John Wiley Price, who is black, interrupted him with a loud "Excuse me!" He then corrected his colleague, saying the office has become a "white hole."
That prompted Judge Thomas Jones, who is black, to demand an apology from Mayfield for his racially insensitive analogy.

Mayfield shot back that it was a figure of speech and a science term. A black hole, according to Webster's, is perhaps "the invisible remains of a collapsed star, with an intense gravitational field from which neither light nor matter can escape."

Other county officials quickly interceded to break it up and get the meeting back on track. TV news cameras were rolling, after all.

http://cityhallblog.dallasnews.com/a...-turns-ra.html

[ProdigyofZen]

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This is not true oddlots. He has said on video that excessive credit creation lead to the housing bubble (well he said that in 2002 that the housing bubble was going to happen). You don't need more regulations what you need to do is enforce the laws already on the books. I am sure RP would be for directors of banks having personal liability if a firm goes under due to certain unlawful acts.

Here is the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5nGC...eature=related

And yes you read that right, he called the HOUSING bubble before 99.9% of others did.