Conan Parodies Ron Paul Ad

[davidstvz]

Here's the spoof (first an intro and a real Ron Paul ad, then the spoof ad): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUQ3JtI0kxE

I'm curious what the general Ron Paul sentiment is here. We know he's anti-FIRE economy, but he's also very fiscally conservative. Certainly his positions (mostly libertarian and states rights) would not help us develop alternative energy which EJ identified as very important to our future productivity.

[c1ue]

Re: Conan Parodies Ron Paul Ad

There are a number of Ron Paul fans on iTulip, perhaps even a large number.

I am not one of them, however.

Ron Paul has some excellent points, but frankly has just as many bad ones. Those who demonize the Fed (quite probably correctly) see Ron Paul as a hero.

I, who see a return to the gold standard as a disaster, think Ron Paul is more of a gadfly than a stateman: an important role but not one which translates well into actual formation of good policy.

He also seems to fail to recognize the corrosive effects of campaign contributions to the American political process - an issue which I personally think is bigger than anything else, because it is this corrosion which prevents any hope of choosing and implementing good policy.

[metalman]

Re: Conan Parodies Ron Paul Ad

There are a number of Ron Paul fans on iTulip, perhaps even a large number.

I am not one of them, however.

Ron Paul has some excellent points, but frankly has just as many bad ones. Those who demonize the Fed (quite probably correctly) see Ron Paul as a hero.

I, who see a return to the gold standard as a disaster, think Ron Paul is more of a gadfly than a stateman: an important role but not one which translates well into actual formation of good policy.

He also seems to fail to recognize the corrosive effects of campaign contributions to the American political process - an issue which I personally think is bigger than anything else, because it is this corrosion which prevents any hope of choosing and implementing good policy.

+1

ron paul exists to open a window to let air into a stuffy room... public debate on monetary, tax, war, & other key policy issues... not to take over & run the room.

he's no more qualified as an operator than obama.

[davidstvz]

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So assuming Paul can't win, is there any Republican candidate who would be less bad than Obama?

Was there a fringe Democrat in 2008 with the right policies?

[ProdigyofZen]

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You guys have got to be kidding me?

Ron Paul, I am sure, does not want campaign finance and would be the only candidate to get rid of lobbyists. I believe the individuals above who are agaisnt Ron Paul are that way because they are more left wing progressive which Paul certainly is not.

Paul is for Freedom, a vote for Paul is a vote for Liberty for all political factions, left wing progressive, liberal, right wing etc. He is the only candidate that even has a chance to change anything. And I am not even sure what he can change. The monied interests are too great.

You want to know why Paul is more qualified than any other candidate to be president? Because he wouldn't try to correct every problem with legislation and action. He would only focus on taking away institutions bit by bit and it wouldnt happen over night.

Most of the time the solution to the problem becomes the problem. He understands this all too well.

[gwynedd1]

Re: Conan Parodies Ron Paul Ad

There are a number of Ron Paul fans on iTulip, perhaps even a large number.

I am not one of them, however.

Ron Paul has some excellent points, but frankly has just as many bad ones. Those who demonize the Fed (quite probably correctly) see Ron Paul as a hero.

I, who see a return to the gold standard as a disaster, think Ron Paul is more of a gadfly than a stateman: an important role but not one which translates well into actual formation of good policy.

He also seems to fail to recognize the corrosive effects of campaign contributions to the American political process - an issue which I personally think is bigger than anything else, because it is this corrosion which prevents any hope of choosing and implementing good policy.

Greetings C1ue,

Lead on. Your apprehension of the situation is flawless.

[davidstvz]

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Pauls biggest flaw is that, being mostly a libertarian, he's a non interventionalist in most respects. However, in the case of foreign policy, energy policy and environmental policy, we may be desperately in need of intervention. It takes a lot of advance notice to steer the Titanic away from an ice berg. That said, in the short term he would do more good than harm (that would be nice for a change).

[Slimprofits]

Re: Conan Parodies Ron Paul Ad

So assuming Paul can't win, is there any Republican candidate who would be less bad than Obama

Slight possibility in Huntsman.

[DSpencer]

Re: Conan Parodies Ron Paul Ad

Here's the spoof (first an intro and a real Ron Paul ad, then the spoof ad): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUQ3JtI0kxE

I'm curious what the general Ron Paul sentiment is here. We know he's anti-FIRE economy, but he's also very fiscally conservative. Certainly his positions (mostly libertarian and states rights) would not help us develop alternative energy which EJ identified as very important to our future productivity.

I think he's by far the best even semi viable candidate on either side. Who even comes close?

By "help us develop alternative energy" I assume you mean: take skrillions of dollars of taxpayer money and give it to private companies (with preferable treatment given to political allies) hoping that this money will lead to them discovering some kind of technological breakthrough?

he's no more qualified as an operator than obama.

Using what criteria?

Obama is a lawyer and community organizer. He also appears utterly clueless to me. Do you think he even understands things like how the FED works?

[gwynedd1]

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Pauls biggest flaw is that, being mostly a libertarian, he's a non interventionalist in most respects. However, in the case of foreign policy, energy policy and environmental policy, we may be desperately in need of intervention. It takes a lot of advance notice to steer the Titanic away from an ice berg. That said, in the short term he would do more good than harm (that would be nice for a change).

We have small private buyers
We have small private sellers
We have large private sellers(we call corporations)

We have large private buye.....err wait no we don't.

We seem to conspire well together for profit but the problem is we don't do so well in consumption.

I also cannot fathom another gold standard which is not free enterprise . Its a money established by law to a particular industry. Its just another British merchantalist idea of which I am staunchly opposed. There is nothing worse than government granted monopolies, and I cannot understand how a libertarian can even stand his own juices in his mouth to utter a "gold standard" come off his lips. A chartalist system is at least a regulated monopoly and a slight improvement over the very worst of things. However a libertarian who would let the market decide on all sorts of monies may be consistent, and then perhaps a simple post office like back up currency for consumer based transactions that have no expectation nor implied intent to retain its value could exist. Then if it proves necessary, it could even be retired.

[we_are_toast]

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Naked Capitalism just did a very informative series of interviews with a "Ron Paul" Libertarian.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/...he-vision.html

I respect Ron Paul for standing up for his beliefs and not wavering from them. Those who share his beliefs should show the same strength of convictions and either write him in as president, or urge him to continue his campaign in another party (Libertarian or some other) and support that party through the 2012 elections.

[c1ue]

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Ron Paul, I am sure, does not want campaign finance and would be the only candidate to get rid of lobbyists.

I suggest you examine this video where Ron Paul specifically takes the position that there should never be any limitations to corporate lobbying:

[ProdigyofZen]

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That article just got ridiculous. Is that all a PHD from Harvard can come up with? He should stick to linear mathematical equations that have predictable outcomes instead of delving into complex dynamic systems that are simultaneously chaotic and serene, like socio-economics.

That is idealism Libertarianism which will never come true. The same as pure communism will never come true. Most Libertarians believe you need some form of government for basic services and you need it for police and military to protect the city-state.

I could do the same as his article except much better pertaining to his left-wing progressive idealogy and the reason I can write it better is that I was not educated at Harvard. I live in reality not the ivory tower he has been coddled in for his 30+ years. I assume he is nearing 30 since he finished a PHD.

[ProdigyofZen]

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You should re watch the video. He lays out his plan for why he wouldnt get rid of corporate or individual citizen lobbying because the constitution is clear that it should be allowed. He says it wouldnt be a problem if we didnt have individuals in congress who were influenced by the lobbyists aka money. When it is known that an individual congressman took money from lobbyists then that person should be voted out of office.

His ultimate answer is to not have government so big that passes out favors.

You really need to listen to what he says and his prescriptions for certain issues. Look at the cause and effect and you will realize he is right.

[lektrode]

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.... cannot understand how a libertarian can even stand his own juices in his mouth to utter a "gold standard" come off his lips. A chartalist system is at least a regulated monopoly and a slight improvement over the very worst of things. However a libertarian who would let the market decide on all sorts of monies may be consistent, and then perhaps a simple post office like back up currency for consumer based transactions that have no expectation nor implied intent to retain its value could exist. Then if it proves necessary, it could even be retired.

wasnt that the gist or implied function of 'the volcker rule' as it pertained to interest rates (being set 2pts or whatever above the rate of inflation - at least back in the good ole daze when the CPI was 'accurate' ) - when liquidity/loans got too frothy, allowing cost-push to get going, krank up the rates to pull liquidity out of circulation??

(i can get quickly in over my head in these sorts of discussions, but i'm here to learn, so dont mind taking a stab at offering my .02, if for no other reason than to be corrected when i dont get my 'deductions' quite right...)