Conan Parodies Ron Paul Ad

[Raz]

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+1

ron paul exists to open a window to let air into a stuffy room... public debate on monetary, tax, war, & other key policy issues... not to take over & run the room.

he's no more qualified as an operator than obama.

You're kidding, right? Ron Paul probably lacks the temperment to be an effective president, but Obama is an empty suit if this world has ever seen one. His record of "accomplishments" along with his repeatedly voting "present" makes him a joke.

I'm waiting for EJ to say he made a mistake in '08 by recommending that we vote for this joke.
A Third Party was the only way to have avoided wasting your ballot.

[lektrode]

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yeah the 'harvard syndrome' seems to be infecting too much of what passes for discourse in some political circles these daze - far as how to fix elections, my .02 worth goes along the lines of allowing anybody to run who can come up with the resources (meaning VOTES more than money) and have an 'open primary' and if any particular candidate can score 60% of the electorate, they win by default - if not, then have say the top 3 finishers go into a 'sudden-death-runoff' and he who scores 60% wins (which is a better margin than we've seen lately)

anything has got to be better than the farce that the 2party system has led us to, whereby the 'party kingmakers' get to do all the deciding and we simply get stuck choosing tween the lesser of 2 evils, with 2or3% of the electorate deciding the outcome.

[ProdigyofZen]

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The funny thing is every business no matter what it is, is run to be a monopoly. Obviously if you are Microsoft you want to have the maximum amount of market share which of course is 100%.

Just like the FED is the monopoly supplier of currency. If you are google you want to be the only game in town and you strive for that every day. Then when a company gets 90% market share because their product was better and they crushed the competition we break it up for being a monopoly!

Oh the irony!

[jiimbergin]

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You're kidding, right? Ron Paul probably lacks the temperment to be an effective president, but Obama is an empty suit if this world has ever seen one! His record of "accomplishments" along with his voting "present" makes him a joke.

I'm waiting for EJ to say he made a mistake in '08 by recommending that we vote for this joke.
A Third Party was the only way to have avoided wasting your vote.

+1

[lektrode]

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You're kidding, right? Ron Paul probably lacks the temperment to be an effective president, but Obama is an empty suit if this world has ever seen one. His record of "accomplishments" along with his repeatedly voting "present" makes him a joke.

I'm waiting for EJ to say he made a mistake in '08 by recommending that we vote for this joke.
A Third Party was the only way to have avoided wasting your ballot.

+1
and another .5 for the bernanks cut
just how _does_ less than one term as a senate back-bencher qualify one to be POTUS, anyway?

[ProdigyofZen]

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But that is the most brilliant thing about Obama. He was an empty suit aka a blank slate with no policy ideas of his own and he ran on hope and change. He had to make himself a blank slate so that EVERYONE could PROJECT themselves onto him.

I will show you how this works. Just read Saul Alinsky's books because that is where he got it. Have you ever seen Twilight and wondered what all the fuss is about? Why so many girls would LOVE to be Kristen Stewart or Bella in the movie?

Well thats because she has no character, she is a blank slate where every teenage girl can project themselves onto her and be the love interest of a vampire. Her character is never developed on purpose because it appeals to the masses, thus the reason Obama was never developed or made sure he ran on objective ideas like Hope and Change.

What does Hope and Change mean? Hope for X Change for X? As long as he kept his message as vague and blank as himself he would win the election. Everyone in their mother even Bill Gross from Pimco (registered repub who voted for Obama) could project their feelings, ideas, thoughts onto Obama. Individuals wants to project thier bias, their ideas, their thoughts onto an individual and as long as that individual had no character like Obama they could see themselves in him. Not to mention the fact he was black and people just wanted to vote a non-white person into office mainly due to white guilt.

The power of Tabala Rasa (The Blank Slate)

To get a better understanding of this, read this comical piece from The Oatmeal about Twilight and "Pants"

http://theoatmeal.com/story/twilight

[lektrode]

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seen in the wapo: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...3LO_story.html

clipped for pertinence:
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Jon Huntsman inexplicably chose to debut as the Republican for people who rather dislike Republicans, but his program is the most conservative. He endorses Paul Ryan’s budget and entitlement reforms. (Gingrich denounced Ryan’s Medicare reform as “right-wing social engineering.”) Huntsman would privatize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (Gingrich’s benefactor). Huntsman would end double taxation on investment by eliminating taxes on capital gains and dividends. (Romney would eliminate them only for people earning less than $200,000, who currently pay just 9.3 percent of them.) Huntsman’s thorough opposition to corporate welfare includes farm subsidies. (Romney has justified them as national security measures — food security, somehow threatened. Gingrich says opponents of ethanol subsidies are “big-city” people hostile to farmers.) Huntsman considers No Child Left Behind, the semi-nationalization of primary and secondary education, “an unmitigated disaster.” (Romney and Gingrich support it. Gingrich has endorsed a national curriculum.) Between Ron Paul’s isolationism and the faintly variant bellicosities of the other six candidates stands Huntsman’s conservative foreign policy, skeptically nuanced about America’s need or ability to control many distant developments.
Romney might not be a Dewey. Gingrich might stop being (as Churchill said of John Foster Dulles) a bull who carries his own china shop around with him. But both are too risky to anoint today.

[lektrode]

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.... Everyone in their mother even Bill Gross from Pimco (registered repub who voted for Obama) could project their feelings, ideas, thoughts onto Obama. Individuals wants to project thier bias, their ideas, their thoughts onto an individual and as long as that individual had no character like Obama they could see themselves in him. Not to mention the fact he was black and people just wanted to vote a non-white person into office mainly due to white guilt.

The power of Tabala Rasa (The Blank Slate)

To get a better understanding of this, read this comical piece from The Oatmeal about Twilight and "Pants"

http://theoatmeal.com/story/twilight

must say Poz, you do come up with some great insights - altho its pretty well established now (to me anyway) that the high finance crowd was solidly in the dems camp, which i gather is typical (and explains why we still havent seen much action from the DOJ)

[ProdigyofZen]

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If we would just use the Swiss system then we wouldnt of had to worry about some of these institutions taking too much risk. In Swissie land the Directors of the Banks are personally held liable if they go bankrupt. That raises their give a shit factor to infinity.

[lektrode]

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+1

ron paul exists to open a window to let air into a stuffy room... public debate on monetary, tax, war, & other key policy issues... not to take over & run the room.

he's no more qualified as an operator than obama.

i like the way you put that, mm... sums up his MO nicely
its too bad the lamestream chattering class seems only interested in making him look 'wierd' and rightwing fringe, as his ideas (some of them anyway) do seem like real answers (mr c1ue's comments accepted)

[lektrode]

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If we would just use the Swiss system then we wouldnt of had to worry about some of these institutions taking too much risk. In Swissie land the Directors of the Banks are personally held liable if they go bankrupt. That raises their give a shit factor to infinity.

antonas made same observation last night re the germans...

in #8 on this one: http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthread.php/21140-Euroland-from-S-D-to-Oligarchy-(Hudson)
commenting on how US bankruptcy law encourages risky/dumb behavior in The US (my words)
would appear we need our politicians to start considering same - would guess ron paul might agree?

[lektrode]

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eye see mr stratman has joined us here?
oh dave, some of your excellent op/ed would be welcome here...

and where's dcarrigg been hiding lately?

[marvenger]

Re: Conan Parodies Ron Paul Ad

+1

ron paul exists to open a window to let air into a stuffy room... public debate on monetary, tax, war, & other key policy issues... not to take over & run the room.

he's no more qualified as an operator than obama.

Most people who are running anything of significance in the current system, and who therefore sare qualified as an operator, have shown themselves to be more interested in narrow minded, short sighted, career progression than of leading us out of this mess.

I vote with the anarchist/ (most unorganised religion if your read the the main message in texts), that real change can only come from below.

[peakishmael]

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just how _does_ less than one term as a senate back-bencher qualify one to be POTUS, anyway?

By being able to talk in complete sentences and communicate complex ideas in a reasonably understandable and compelling manner, without sounding like a madman with an axe to grind. The guy gave some some good speeches. He convinced people he had a vision that would work. I'm not saying that should be sufficient qualification, but it has been enough to elect more than one prior president. The actual written qualifications for the job are not too stringent.

[Sutter Cane]

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Paul is for Freedom, a vote for Paul is a vote for Liberty for all political factions, left wing progressive, liberal, right wing etc.

its too bad the lamestream chattering class seems only interested in making him look 'wierd' and rightwing fringe, as his ideas (some of them anyway) do seem like real answers (mr c1ue's comments accepted)

I'd say "rightwing fringe" would be a pretty accurate description. I've yet to see a Ron Paul supporter come up with a satisfactory explanation of the numerous racist things published under Ron Paul's name for over a decade in his own eponymous newsletter. Even Reason magazine said "Paul's position is basically that he wrote the newsletters he stands by and someone else wrote the stuff he has disowned."

If somehow he didn't know racist tripe was being published under his name for years, he is too incompetent to be president. If he did know, either what was published represents his own racist views, or he isn't a racist but thought that pretending to hold racist views would help his political career or appeal to certain circles (like Stormfront, Neo-Nazis, and all sorts of upstanding citizens). Any of the above would rule him out as someone I would want as president, and certainly put the lie to any idea of Paul as "honorable" or "ethical."

Before you jump in to defend him, please check this page to see if your arguments have already been addressed.

Yes, we have severe political problems in this country, and yes, both parties are implicated, and yes, I even agree with Paul on a number of issues. But let's get real. Ron Paul is not some savior, and has as many skeletons in his closet as all our other dirty career politicians, if not more and worse (and Ron Paul is definitely a career politician).

Enough with the hero worship.