Vote for Obama. Here's why.

[ThePythonicCow]

Re: Vote for Obama. Here's why.

How did you come to that conclusion? I am sincerely asking.

Space, time and my patience do not permit me to present anything resembling a complete or particularly persuasive list of reasons and sources.

My favorite radio source is Mark Levin. My favorite web sites for such matters include Jack Wheeler's "To The Point News" and FreeRepublic.com. I observe an unrelenting bias in the main stream media for Obama, and against (since he became the nominee) McCain and against Palin. The background associations of Obama with hard leftists (Davis, Ayers), starting from his adolescence in Hawaii are continuous in his life, and consistently covered up or downplayed. Watching him speak, he's far closer to saying what he figures his audience wants to hear, and less concerned with anything resembling consistency with the facts or his previous statements than even most dishonest politicians. That is, he's a pathological crowd pleaser to a significantly greater degree than most politicians or that I would trust. YouTube video tapes and other recordings and records show him speaking to pretty much shut down the military, shut down (bankrupt) the coal industry, lie outrageously about his tax plans, diss rural Americans (clinging to their bibles and guns), abandon Israel, invoke repeated class warfare against those who have succeeded, promise to redistribute our money, take our guns, create a domestic security force as strong as our military, kill babies even after birth, show a complete absence of understanding for the proper limited basis of our government, intend to "find" in the Constitution a -mandate- for various social welfare, redistributions and reparations, take from the rich and give to the poor, ... His paper thin resume has been hidden from view, including his college records, his state legislative records, his birth records, his ACORN activism, his strong Senate liberal voting record ("Most Liberal") and Fannie/Freddie support (second highest recipient of lobby money from them) and his community organizing work. His Chicago thug style politics (Rezko) have suppressed dissent and exposure of his past, and attacked relentlessly and dishonestly his opponents. He was active in a racist, hate Whitie, hate America (Wright) church for twenty years.

See further such sites as http://obamaunveiled.com/ or http://www.politicallyincorrectfacts...Obama_Main.htm or http://www.theobamafile.com/ or http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=79411 .

See also books:

• The Case Against Barack Obama: The Unlikely Rise and Unexamined Agenda of the Media's Favorite Candidate by David Freddoso
• Fleeced: How Barack Obama, Media Mockery of Terrorist Threats, Liberals Who Want to Kill Talk Radio, the Do-Nothing Congress, Companies That Help Iran, and Washington Lobbyists for Foreign Governments Are Scamming Us ... and What to Do About It by Dick Morris, Eileen Mcgann
• The Audacity of Deceit: Barack Obama's War on American Values by Brad O'Leary
• The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality by Jerome R. Corsi

He has no more business being President than I do starring as a leading lady in a James Bond movie (I'm a big old man, btw.)

That he was elected scares me far worse than the worst case scenarios for the Great Depression II, for it means that a majority of the American voters have lost the ability to preserve our liberty.

[Nervous Drake]

Re: Vote for Obama. Here's why.

How did you come to that conclusion? I am sincerely asking.

I was actually wondering that too. It's an interesting read that I'm not sure many people could just pick out.

Pretend I'm just a young dumb kid asking you about your wisdom. Do you see Obama's charisma as not inherently good but demonstrates a lacking? I've always wondered how people who are incredibly charismatic can hide some serious inner demons.

[ricket]

Re: Vote for Obama. Here's why.

It is entirely sensible to look at one's environment and the changes occuring in it, compare those changes to similar changes that have occurred in other places, and sound the alarm if one finds something threatening.

Civilization is not prevented from progressing by people pointing out how history shows that the direction it is moving has been tried before and resulted in disaster. (Just ask Native Americans how it worked out for them when they got a big dose of 'diversity' beginning in 1492. Would you have told them that they were 'xenophobes' who were resisting 'progress'? Were their lives just meaningless, empty exercises in xenophobia because they didn't have large populations of Europeans, Somalis, Japanese, Arabs, etc, etc, etc living in their nations?)

I accept the necessity of an Obama presidency and strong leftist control of Congress as a means of waking well-meaning white liberals up to what is happening. But I will not shut up. If your "progress" is so tenuous that it can't stand up to reasonable, dispassionate analysis, then that says something about your notion of progress, not something about me.

See, I still see a sense of fear of the unknown by your statements. The reality is that we are not the Native Americans of 1492 who were conquered by the imperialism of the world. We are a globally centralized community (as made possible by the internet) who, whether you want to admit it or not, is radically different in many ways from the same group of localized individuals (ie the North Americans of 1492) who never even had any kind of exposure of others outside of their own race/culture/beliefs. Today's society is vastly different in that we are VERY AWARE that there are different cultures that exist outside our sphere of influence and that may not have ultimately negative consequences for our own survival. Since we do not have that fear of the unknown, we do not perceive others that are not quite like us as malevolent creatures who's only pursuit is the destruction of others. That is the arena in which your arguments seem to lie and I call you a "tinfoil-hat wearing paranoid psycho" for always fearing that if people arent like you then they must obviously be out to destroy you.

Short version: Youre a wuss and are scared of the unknown. Grow up, it's a brave world out there. Don't be scared. It ain't so bad...

[Slimprofits]

Re: Vote for Obama. Here's why.

same deal with mccain. no one thinks he can win this election but that's bs. of course he can win. stop watching tv.

I disagree. This election was tailor made for opposition to the mainstream Republicans. McCain's only real chance all along was an Obama mega-gaffe that never materialized.

Republicans don't like McCain, never have. For years the the hardcore party zealots have referred to him as one of the Republicans In Name Only along with Collins from Maine and a couple of others. A majority of party-independents no longer like McCain - that has been borne out in poll after poll over the last month and in the new election results. And he used to be "their guy". During every election the candidates are chasing after the 10-15% of the potential electorate that either didn't vote in the prior election or tend to be party-independent. McCain finally blew it when he said, "the fundamentals of the economy are strong". Add in that only the most diehard of GOP party zealots can stand to be in the same room as Palin.

[Wild Style]

Re: Vote for Obama. Here's why.

If Obama wins (I hope he doesn't) then I predict you, ej, will rue the day you made this choice.

While most of us accept that politicians must have a more casual relation with truth than say accountants, still we tend to grant our fellow humans some modicum of trust until proven otherwise.

If Obama wins, I predict that you will discover that Obama and his entire campaign was profoundly and deliberately more deceiptful than you thought possible. My impressions are that Obama's inner sense of himself is pathologically disconnected from how he presents himself (I suspect he's a victim of serious child abuse) and that since his adolescence he has been manipulated by some of the most dangerous, scheming, radical anti-American Marxists of our time.

I fear for my country.

My real fear is that most of the younger people in this nation will never realize the mistake they made in allowing Obama anywhere near the White House. At least you're beyond doubt a smart chap, so I trust that if I'm right in all this, you will some day be capable of seeing as much.

Hopefully, either I'm a whacked out nut job, or Obama loses tonight.

How did you come to that conclusion? I am sincerely asking.

[ThePythonicCow]

Re: Vote for Obama. Here's why.

You're right, it's not America. And, you fell for it. It's NOT at all about race.

To which post are you responding?

[yernamehear]

Re: Vote for Obama. Here's why.

(Reply to EJ's original piece where he says "America is not South Africa.")

You're right, it's not America. And, you fell for it. It's NOT at all about race.

The only place the small government policy lives is in an ever smaller libertarian wing of the Republican party. The Dems have nothing to offer in this area, so they are out of the question.

As the government grows, you get the socialist cronyism from both parties, which has played a large part in the current crisis: 70+ years of dem entitlement building, piled on by the crony capitalism of the past couple of decades by the repubs.

Obama is one of those ivory tower, socialist children I used to have to listen to as a student at UC Berkeley. I got a belly full of those wanna be revolutionaries (aka thugs).

We'll get some kind of cross between Carter and FDR, for a long slow stagnation, probably punctuated by a serious inflation, as you predict.

With McCain, we may have had a shot at less government meddling, but it was only a long shot anyway.

That's really all there is to it.

[ThePythonicCow]

Re: Vote for Obama. Here's why.

I don't watch any TV; though if I did, I'd prefer Fox.

I heard that Fox called it from listening to the radio - Mark Davis, a fine Dallas conservative.

[a warren]

Re: Vote for Obama. Here's why.

You watch Fox. Ahahahahahahahaha ha How can you watch that shit? Or is it for the entertainment of seeing the losers lose it?

[ThePythonicCow]

Re: Vote for Obama. Here's why.

Hopefully, either I'm a whacked out nut job, or Obama loses tonight.

It's starting to look like I'm hoping to be a whack job. Ohio and Pennsylvania and Virginia seem to be leaning toward Obama. Fox just called Ohio for McCain.

I am less optimistic of a McCain victory than I was before.

[ThePythonicCow]

Re: Vote for Obama. Here's why.

But I will not shut up.

Good. Thanks.

[Mn_Mark]

Re: Vote for Obama. Here's why.

You really should try and get past your xenophobia. This kind of thinking is what keeps civilization from progressing.

It is entirely sensible to look at one's environment and the changes occuring in it, compare those changes to similar changes that have occurred in other places, and sound the alarm if one finds something threatening.

Civilization is not prevented from progressing by people pointing out how history shows that the direction it is moving has been tried before and resulted in disaster. (Just ask Native Americans how it worked out for them when they got a big dose of 'diversity' beginning in 1492. Would you have told them that they were 'xenophobes' who were resisting 'progress'? Were their lives just meaningless, empty exercises in xenophobia because they didn't have large populations of Europeans, Somalis, Japanese, Arabs, etc, etc, etc living in their nations?)

I accept the necessity of an Obama presidency and strong leftist control of Congress as a means of waking well-meaning white liberals up to what is happening. But I will not shut up. If your "progress" is so tenuous that it can't stand up to reasonable, dispassionate analysis, then that says something about your notion of progress, not something about me.

[tombat1913]

Re: Vote for Obama. Here's why.

Great, leadership the day of the election, maybe three years from now we could get some commentary during the primaries when we still have some reasonable choice? Chiming in now for a candidate who is "not 100% independent from the influence of financial groups" is not leadership. You people want "change"? How about voting for someone who can't be bought, period! Quit voting for the least of evils and vote your conscience.

itulip has fantastic economic commentary, so stick to the economics.

[ThePythonicCow]

Re: Vote for Obama. Here's why.

My conclusion was that we, and I am being presumptuous here, over the age of 30 do not understand the generation that Obama represents.

You describe well some of the entirely legitimate appeal that Obama has for the younger voters. My son is 20, and voted for Obama only because Ron Paul wasn't in the running.

I do not dispute that the youth of this nation have good reason to distrust and abhor the major mess we're handing them. My Social Security will soon equal my sons pay check; I've thanked him, sardonically, for sending me what he earns, and he's replied, with appropropriate bitter sarcasm, "you're welcome."

I entirely doubt that Obama is who he claims to be, or has an agenda that even remotely addresses these legitimate issues.

Thank-you for your considered reply.

[ThePythonicCow]

Re: Two Concerns

I grew up with Margaret Thatcher, and she'd be to the left of Dennis Kucinich.

That's not the Thatcher we've heard of on this side of the pond. Can you elaborate what you mean by that, or provide some evidence?

The Thatcher I've heard of is the Iron Lady who stood with Reagan opposing the Soviets, and who privatized important portions of the British economy.