Vote for Obama. Here's why.

[Chris]

Re: Vote for Obama. Here's why.

Vote for Obama. Here's why.

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All this most of you know; I have not yet faced the major anxiety of our people in our time but few express: race. I will do so by quoting a posting we received today by a new member who has not participated on our forums before. It is intelligently argued and I suspect shared by more people than care to express it. I believe the sentiment he expresses is 100% wrong, but I appreciate his willingness to share it and give me this opportunity to address it. He said:

In 1994, 70% of [white South African voters] drank the white liberal kool aid and voted themselves into the political minority on the promise that if they would just stop being racists, the future would be all about merit and equality and reconciliation. Instead they now find themselves under siege, legally discriminated against in jobs, prohibited from owning more than 49% of their own family businesses (they have to find a black person to give 51% to), the victims of rampant crime, rape, and murder (with a 2-3% rate of solving the murders). The famous white South Africa liberal writers whose writings contributed to ending apartheid are moving away to Australia and Europe. They have seen firsthand what they did to their own people and now they are running away. Nice for them, not so nice for the people who can't afford to leave.

But you never hear about South Africa anymore. White western liberals prefer not to think about what has happened there in the wake of the adoption of their reform program. Or in Zimbabwe. There is a slow-motion anti-white genocide unfolding there, but it doesn't fit the liberal script so it's not discussed.

So we are in an era where young white people have been indoctrinated for the last several decades in their schools and in the mass media that the history of whites is shameful and that they must never think in terms of race - while blacks, Latinos, and others openly identify with their own ethnic groups and interests, openly speak of themselves as a people based solely on race, openly push for special considerations based solely on race rather than merit. So we are going to have to go through the fire here, until young white people reach an age where they are trying to raise a family in safety with decent schools and without racial discrimination against whites.

They say a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged. There's a whole generation of young whites who have a lot of muggings coming their way. Right now they are in the full flush of youthful passion and idealism, scornful of older people (i.e. people with significant life experience) and sure that they have discovered new amazing truths that old fools can't see.

The easy conclusion is that there will probably never be a more disillusioned generation of people in American history than the generation of young whites who are voting for Obama. By the time they are in their middle age they will shake their heads sadly that they could have been so wrong.

My response:

America is not South Africa.

The correct quote, from Irwin Stelzer, was that "a neo-conservative was a liberal who had been mugged by reality". Please don't let that incoherent comment be the reason for endorsing Obama.

While I am amazed at the disregard the Republicans had for conservative values, I think the truth of Steltzers' comment will become evident during the course of the Obama presidency. He was the best choice of two very poor ones (although i wish i could say the same about his party - in truth neither are fit to lead).

Good luck everyone. The world needs sound American leadership. Let's hope that that is what we get.

[Mn_Mark]

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I call you a "tinfoil-hat wearing paranoid psycho" for always fearing that if people arent like you then they must obviously be out to destroy you.

I value a world full of people who aren't like me. I want a world full of different peoples of different races and cultures and traditions. I love diversity on a world-wide scale. And I certainly don't think that if people aren't like me they are automatically out to destroy me.

However neither am I so naive that I think there is no such thing as ethnic affiliation and that people think of themselves as part of an ethnic group and want to see that group gain power and control of the country it resides in. That is simply a fact of human nature. Ask the Tutsis how well it worked to share a nation with the Hutus. Ask the Yugoslavs how well their national exercise in diversity worked out. Ask the Native Americans. Ask the indigenous peoples of Latin America. Look anywhere in the world where more than one people shares a single nation and you will see the places where wars and strife are occuring.

But for people like you, there can be no reasonable concern about such things. You caricature my concerns as nothing but unreasonable, cowardly fear. But your position is racist - only whites like me are to be scorned and ridiculed and demonized if we feel an affiliation for our own people, and identify with them, and want to see their future secure and prosperous. Blacks, Latinos, Native Americans, Asians, Africans, every other ethnic group on earth you naturally grant the right to think of themselves as a distinct people who have a natural interest in self-preservation as they are. But not whites. If we have the same feelings, we are nothing but cowards in your eyes who should relax and stop struggling as we, outnumbered 9 to 1 in the world, are gradually marginalized in the nations we founded and built. You will applaud the Native American or the Palestinian or the Aborigine who has a fierce identification with his ancestors and wants to protect his peoples' identity and historical character, but for a white man to do the same makes him evil and the source of the problems in the world.

You can get away with this for a while yet. Most whites want to believe that a world where ethnic identity has no meaning is possible. Many are willing to see their own people disappear if that sacrifice is necessary to preserve their well-intentioned, but misguided idealism. But many of us are not. We will not go quietly into the night. We will wait now and let you have your time and hope that our well-meaning, idealistic brothers and sisters wake up in time. We understand you have to have time to see for yourself what happens when you give away control of your people's nation to a competing people or peoples.

If you really want world peace, give every distinct people on earth their own separate nation with inviolate borders. Then we can truly welcome one another as friends and we can truly cherish the diversity of colors and languages and cultures of the brotherhood of mankind. But force us to try to compete for control of a single nation and you will unleash violence and endless strife.

And if you really want to further the conversation and build bridges and end division, stop ridiculing my concerns as those of a paranoid. You would not say that to the Aborigines or the Israelis or any other people on earth seeing control of their nation slipping away. Have the courtesy to deal with my arguments directly instead of with insults which stoke anger instead of creating understanding.

[BrianL]

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A large portion of the young are still poor; they don't have much to squeeze. Along with the lack of wealth is comes lack of study into preserving our wealth.

This goes along with an Microsoft published training manual I read a while back discussing generational differences in managing employees. The book repeatedly pointed out that those in the millenium generation are, stereotypically, more focused on work life balance than on success. A raise may not be adequate compensation to encourage younger people to work longer hours to the extent it was with previous generations. They also pointed out the millenium generation was more willing to move from job to job than they were interested in building long term relationships with a company.

A recent NPR piece recently discussed generation defining music. One element they pointed at as a defining chracteristic of the post-generation-x music was how music shifted music expressed angst and frustration derived from the realization that our generation wouldn't have it better than our parents. The itulip forums even echo some of this, with the boomer backlash.

It is an interesting set of data points. Some of this may simply be typical 'youth of today' observations. If it isn't, if there really is a shift in values under way, the next decade may be very interesting.

[ThePythonicCow]

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I know that all I can smell out of you is fear.

My suspect you are implying a racial fear.

I am confident that you are not correct in your assessment.

I watch people. I know him. America just made a serious mistake.

[BrianL]

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Statements like this, on both sides of the isle, cause people to dig in and defend their positions. Change and faith come through action. Until the new administration begins to earn the trust through action, the best any Obama supporter can for the cause is lend listen, understand others and help out.

Everyone has reasons for holding their beliefs. Attacking belief through anything other than patient and caring action rarely does any good. Instead of debating ThePythonicCow, calling him (her?) out in public, I would suggest quietly listening to rationale, acknowledge points of view, and wait for opportunities to humbly point out good works (and acknowledge future failures on the new administrations part).

[ThePythonicCow]

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Do you see Obama's charisma as not inherently good but demonstrates a lacking?

I see it as inherently evil :eek:.

Most of us, to lie affectively, have to momentarilly convince ourselves of the possible truth of what we say. Granted, if your brain is as scattered as mine, such dilusions and confusions are not that uncommon. But still, most of us, most of the time, can and do present some consistent views of the truth, as best we see it, with minor modifications for politeness or such.

A few who survived serious abuse sometime in childhood learn the hard way that their very lives depend on suppressing beneath the level of their day to day consciousness some critical truths. It's lie or die. Their entire adult lives, all communication with others, public or private, is a facade, upon which their very existence depends. This facade becomes well practiced; its facile flexibility and quick responsiveness to the perceptions of others can be a useful skill in a few jobs -- prostitution, politics, spying and used car sales come to mind, though most practioners of those jobs are not so wounded. They can easily become a blank canvas, on whom others can paint their hopes and dreams. They are easily manipulated, by those who would manipulate others to gain some power or advantage. They usually have a more or less hidden inner rage, seething, like a not quite dormant volcano.

[ASH]

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My conclusion was that we, and I am being presumptuous here, over the age of 30 do not understand the generation that Obama represents.

What they are against is: ... and being ripped off by their parents who have mortgaged their future and left them with a reverse mortgage on the deflating family home.

Did the the boomers think their kids would never grow up and become sentient beings? Maybe not a class war but a justified uprising of a generation that knows it is stuck with the tab from the previous one. What did we expect?

I can't square this perception at all with President-elect Obama's actual campaign positions on Social Security and Medicare. At 33, I don't quite fit into the "under 30" demographic, but getting stuck with the tab for the previous generation is my major political issue. Obama's campaign position on the entitlement programs was less responsive to the interests of the younger generation than McCain's campaign. I share Robert Samuelson's impression that the economic interests of younger voters were not adequately addressed by either candidate, but were entirely ignored by Obama, who seemed to be AARP's poster child. I think Obama got the young vote for every reason you cited OTHER than the economic issue -- and that the young are selling their votes cheaply for ideological issues at the expense of their practical self-interest.

[jimmygu3]

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I know that all I can smell out of you is fear. Nothing but absolute fear of the unknown. "OH MY GOD HE'S NOT LIKE ME SO HE'S GOING TO DESTROY ME!".

I have a rather accurate reputation for picking up the "vibes" that other people give off, and have usually been correct in my initial interpretations of individuals after having only met them and spoken with them for just a few brief moments. You strike me as one who is fearful of the unknown whether you want to admit it or not. I can just *feel* the fear coming out of your pores in every word you type.

Do you think ThePythonicCow could be a "victim of serious child abuse"? ;)

[ricket]

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See further such sites as http://obamaunveiled.com/ or http://www.politicallyincorrectfacts...Obama_Main.htm or http://www.theobamafile.com/ or http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=79411 .

I know that all I can smell out of you is fear. Nothing but absolute fear of the unknown. "OH MY GOD HE'S NOT LIKE ME SO HE'S GOING TO DESTROY ME!".

I have a rather accurate reputation for picking up the "vibes" that other people give off, and have usually been correct in my initial interpretations of individuals after having only met them and spoken with them for just a few brief moments. You strike me as one who is fearful of the unknown whether you want to admit it or not. I can just *feel* the fear coming out of your pores in every word you type.

[jimmygu3]

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Hopefully, either I'm a whacked out nut job, or Obama loses tonight.

Well he won, so hopefully you're a whacked out nut job.

[Wild Style]

Re: Vote for Obama. Here's why.

Space, time and my patience do not permit me to present anything resembling a complete or particularly persuasive list of reasons and sources.

My favorite radio source is Mark Levin. My favorite web sites for such matters include Jack Wheeler's "To The Point News" and FreeRepublic.com. I observe an unrelenting bias in the main stream media for Obama, and against (since he became the nominee) McCain and against Palin. The background associations of Obama with hard leftists (Davis, Ayers), starting from his adolescence in Hawaii are continuous in his life, and consistently covered up or downplayed. Watching him speak, he's far closer to saying what he figures his audience wants to hear, and less concerned with anything resembling consistency with the facts or his previous statements than even most dishonest politicians. That is, he's a pathological crowd pleaser to a significantly greater degree than most politicians or that I would trust. YouTube video tapes and other recordings and records show him speaking to pretty much shut down the military, shut down (bankrupt) the coal industry, lie outrageously about his tax plans, diss rural Americans (clinging to their bibles and guns), abandon Israel, invoke repeated class warfare against those who have succeeded, promise to redistribute our money, take our guns, create a domestic security force as strong as our military, kill babies even after birth, show a complete absence of understanding for the proper limited basis of our government, intend to "find" in the Constitution a -mandate- for various social welfare, redistributions and reparations, take from the rich and give to the poor, ... His paper thin resume has been hidden from view, including his college records, his state legislative records, his birth records, his ACORN activism, his strong Senate liberal voting record ("Most Liberal") and Fannie/Freddie support (second highest recipient of lobby money from them) and his community organizing work. His Chicago thug style politics (Rezko) have suppressed dissent and exposure of his past, and attacked relentlessly and dishonestly his opponents. He was active in a racist, hate Whitie, hate America (Wright) church for twenty years.

See further such sites as http://obamaunveiled.com/ or http://www.politicallyincorrectfacts...Obama_Main.htm or http://www.theobamafile.com/ or http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=79411 .

See also books:

• The Case Against Barack Obama: The Unlikely Rise and Unexamined Agenda of the Media's Favorite Candidate by David Freddoso
• Fleeced: How Barack Obama, Media Mockery of Terrorist Threats, Liberals Who Want to Kill Talk Radio, the Do-Nothing Congress, Companies That Help Iran, and Washington Lobbyists for Foreign Governments Are Scamming Us ... and What to Do About It by Dick Morris, Eileen Mcgann
• The Audacity of Deceit: Barack Obama's War on American Values by Brad O'Leary
• The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality by Jerome R. Corsi

He has no more business being President than I do starring as a leading lady in a James Bond movie (I'm a big old man, btw.)

That he was elected scares me far worse than the worst case scenarios for the Great Depression II, for it means that a majority of the American voters have lost the ability to preserve our liberty.

Thank you sir

[jimmygu3]

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Can you point to a single example of a former white-majority city or country where the quality of life of the remaining white residents has not been seriously compromised when they became a minority? I can't.

Atlanta, GA.

[ThePythonicCow]

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looks like door number 1 :eek:

Yup - that it be.

[erw698]

Re: Vote for Obama. Here's why.

Hopefully, either I'm a whacked out nut job, or Obama loses tonight.

looks like door number 1 :eek:

you should include psychiatric therapy in your investment portfolio

[ThePythonicCow]

Re: Vote for Obama. Here's why.

By the way, in case you haven't guessed, I did not vote for Obama .