Vote for Obama. Here's why.

[BrianL]

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Agreed, his speach was excellent.

The booing is forgiveable - for now - as people expressing disappointment and frustration moments after a loss is perfectly rational. If these people continue to boo Obama (without new justification) for the next four years, the democrats have failed.

And I say this will full awareness of the public disappointment and frustration expressed at Bush the last eight years. Any discussion of the validity of these feelings however can only only serve to encourage divide at this point.

[metalman]

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Carrying a majority of the popular vote, Obama did especially well among women and young voters, who polls showed were particularly sensitive to the current climate of everything being fucked.

i love the f*cking onion!

[we_are_toast]

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From the Onion:

Nation Finally Shitty Enough To Make Social Progress November 5, 2008 WASHINGTON—

After emerging victorious from one of the most pivotal elections in history, president-elect Barack Obama will assume the role of commander in chief on Jan. 20, shattering a racial barrier the United States is, at long last, shitty enough to overcome.

Although polls going into the final weeks of October showed Sen. Obama in the lead, it remained unclear whether the failing economy, dilapidated housing market, crumbling national infrastructure, health care crisis, energy crisis, and five-year-long disastrous war in Iraq had made the nation crappy enough to rise above 300 years of racial prejudice and make lasting change.

"Today the American people have made their voices heard, and they have said, 'Things are finally as terrible as we're willing to tolerate," said Obama, addressing a crowd of unemployed, uninsured, and debt-ridden supporters. "To elect a black man, in this country, and at this time—these last eight years must have really broken you."

Added Obama, "It's a great day for our nation."

Carrying a majority of the popular vote, Obama did especially well among women and young voters, who polls showed were particularly sensitive to the current climate of everything being fucked. Another contributing factor to Obama's victory, political experts said, may have been the growing number of Americans who, faced with the complete collapse of their country, were at last able to abandon their preconceptions and cast their vote for a progressive African-American.

Citizens with eyes, ears, and the ability to wake up and realize what truly matters in the end are also believed to have played a crucial role in Tuesday's election.

According to a CNN exit poll, 42 percent of voters said that the nation's financial woes had finally become frightening enough to eclipse such concerns as gay marriage, while 30 percent said that the relentless body count in Iraq was at last harrowing enough to outweigh long ideological debates over abortion. In addition, 28 percent of voters were reportedly too busy paying off medical bills, desperately trying not to lose their homes, or watching their futures disappear to dismiss Obama any longer.

"The election of our first African-American president truly shows how far we've come as a nation," said NBC Nightly News anchor Brian Williams. "Just eight years ago, this moment would have been unthinkable. But finally we, as a country, have joined together, realized we've reached rock bottom, and for the first time voted for a candidate based on his policies rather than the color of his skin."

"Today Americans have grudgingly taken a giant leap forward," Williams continued. "And all it took was severe economic downturn, a bloody and unjust war in Iraq, terrorist attacks on lower Manhattan, nearly 2,000 deaths in New Orleans, and more than three centuries of frequently violent racial turmoil."

Said Williams, "The American people should be commended for their long-overdue courage."

Obama's victory is being called the most significant change in politics since the 1992 election, when a full-scale economic recession led voters to momentarily ignore the fact that candidate Bill Clinton had once smoked marijuana. While many believed things had once again reached an all-time low in 2004, the successful reelection of President George W. Bush—despite historically low approval ratings nationwide—proved that things were not quite shitty enough to challenge the already pretty shitty status quo.

"If Obama learned one thing from his predecessors, it's that timing means everything," said Dr. James Pung, a professor of political science at Princeton University. "Less than a decade ago, Al Gore made the crucial mistake of suggesting we should care about preserving the environment before it became unavoidably clear that global warming would kill us all, and in 2004, John Kerry cost himself the presidency by criticizing Bush's disastrous Iraq policy before everyone realized our invasion had become a complete and total quagmire."

"Obama had the foresight to run for president at a time when being an African-American was not as important to Americans as, say, the ability to clothe and feed their children," Pung continued. "An election like this only comes once, maybe twice, in a lifetime."

As we enter a new era of equality for all people, the election of Barack Obama will decidedly be a milestone in U.S. history, undeniable proof that Americans, when pushed to the very brink, are willing to look past outward appearances and judge a person by the quality of his character and strength of his record. So as long as that person is not a woman.

[mikedev10]

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there was a man along the lines of andrew jackson running today, unfortunately the republicans chose to ridicule and ostracize him.

[nathanhulick]

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I hope not to see any of you at Freedom Work Camp 13!

I'm sure we will have plenty of time to talk in the bread lines before we ever get to re-education camp!

[whatnow]

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Just a new member doing a quick reply. Eric you are clueless in terms of Obama's foreign policy. He said he will have no problem sending troops into Pakistan, and taking on Russia head on. Do you really think that these wars will end under Obama?

I hope not to see any of you at Freedom Work Camp 13!

[labasta]

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Mn's comments are valid on race in the sense that people are INCESTUOUS. They really are. Indians, jews, old boy network whites, you name the group and they employ each other and help each other. It's just human nature. Like is attracted to like. We affiliate more with those like us than not and that does not stop at race. It can even overcome race if the definitive social group is strong enough to override it. You will find this everywhere. Look at yourselves. Look at Eddie Murphy movies which he produced. Spot the non-black man. You won't find one. Same with the Cosby show or the Prince of Bel-Air. Gosh, they really believe in equal opportunity! lol. They think "now it's my turn" yeah! That's how they think. "You've had your shot, by stopping me having mine, now it[s our turn." That sums it up.

I believe this is bad. I believe incestuous relationships are bad, but that is me and not them. If I ran a company I would also be guilty to some degree as to who I would employ.

It's the same in Ireland. You don't get a good job in Ireland unless they know you. Oh, your Mic Murphy's son. etc. That's how they operate. I got my last job because the manager had gone on the same college course as I had, as well as others at the company. You see. I am "one of them" lol!

Even worse in Ireland is the fact that I'm English. I always have to mention who I am in relation to my fiancee. Do you know her? She's Ned Cooney's daughter. He ran the electrical shop and is now retired. I'm constantly trying to show that I am one of them.

Backward, medieval, third-world-like? Of course. Good, no it isn't. But what can you do?

[labasta]

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When I share with Americans my personal experience of living for 30+ years in the former USSR, I hear the same response: "America is not Russia". They could not be more wrong. America is getting more like Russia by the day. People don't believe in their personal effort anymore, they all discuss, how to make the gov't solve all their problems. And everybody (both liberal and 'conservative') believes, gov't is omnipotent. Its "policy on economy" is oh so important!

This is precisely what Russians were and are trying to do. Their only way to solve any problem is to bring a "good czar", whether by revolution or by election.

Yes, America is not Russia. By the same token Lithuania is not Greece. So Lithuania accepted Christianity about 1000 years later with some modifications. But it was still the same religion! Faith in the omnipotent "good government" is the socialist religion, that is haunting Europe for the last 200 years. America is not immune to it.

http://www.house.gov/htbin/blog_inc?...ngdetail.shtml

The only thing Obama will do, is bring more and more regulation in every facet of life. That will create more problems, than solutions. I agree, that current regulation is bad, but it does not mean, there is not enough of it.

Hey Medved, are you "Spock" from the now defunct Libertyforum?

I agreed with most of your posts there. Intelligently written.

[labasta]

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great article except for this bit which seems to paint some fairy tale picture of America, where all things were equal for everyone. New imigrants coming to America didn't face being lynched from trees, inferior educations, sub par socio economic conditions, jim crow and institutionalized racism.

Yes, but come on, they've had 200 years to overcome it. Do they want another 200 years?

Weren't Chinese labourers brought over to build the railroad? How did they fare 200 years later as immigrants?

[labasta]

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True,

But words are just words. Obama comes across as the perfect president.

otice the emphasis on "comes across". We won't know what he's like yet.

[D-Mack]

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And what about a falsely repentant falsely ex-alcoholic president being manipulated by an overpowering vice-president, and being elected against
the will of the people, and after a massive electoral fraud in a main southern state ?
Ever saw the footage of this president born drunk again at the Beijing olympics ? The world did, if you did not, and was moderately amused.
The Chinese did, and despise America for that.
If you did not fear for your country seeing this "president" plunging it into an abysmal debt your 20 year old son will have to live 120 years to erase,
what can we do for you ?
So please, a bit of decency here.

President elect Obama mad a resounding and sobering first speech which already won him the appreciation of the entire world.
If you don't see the difference with the shameful America the world had to bear with for 8 years, what can we do for you ?
Anything you'll ask.
....

I think it was the cocaine that destroyed his brain and speech skills or it really was a mix of different things

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw4Bhmm22xo

I hope Obama won't start to take it again, it would be awful to have another one of those bad speakers

[labasta]

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I think Obama got the young vote for every reason you cited OTHER than the economic issue -- and that the young are selling their votes cheaply for ideological issues at the expense of their practical self-interest.

I agree with that.

I have done that myself when I was much younger.

Now I'm a disillusioned old fart at 35.

[D-Mack]

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Spoken like a true kool-aid drinking European Liberal. In 4 years we will trade you Obama for a six pack of beer, and it doesnt even have to be cold.

I heard this guy, Eckart von Klaeden on the radio today, he really didn't want to answer if a Obama victory means more troops from Europe and Germany for his adventures in Afghanistan/Pakistan.

[nathanhulick]

Re: Vote for Obama. Here's why.

And what about a falsely repentant falsely ex-alcoholic president being manipulated by an overpowering vice-president, and being elected against
the will of the people, and after a massive electoral fraud in a main southern state ?
Ever saw the footage of this president born drunk again at the Beijing olympics ? The world did, if you did not, and was moderately amused.
The Chinese did, and despise America for that.
If you did not fear for your country seeing this "president" plunging it into an abysmal debt your 20 year old son will have to live 120 years to erase,
what can we do for you ?
So please, a bit of decency here.

President elect Obama mad a resounding and sobering first speech which already won him the appreciation of the entire world.
If you don't see the difference with the shameful America the world had to bear with for 8 years, what can we do for you ?
Anything you'll ask.

PS : Knowing Europe as I know it, I can tell you I'd rather rebound out of this depression, in a few years, in the US, than in European countries which will :
- bend under public debt
- be crippled by high taxation
- be confronted to an aging and decreasing population
- have to deal with more and more agressive minorities, namely young Arabs seduced by fundamentalism (they already set France in fire for 2 months 2 years ago, care to remember ?)
- never dream to attract, as America does, half of the migrating populations of the world, brilliant indian computing engineers,
extraordinarily inventive chinese inventors or merchants, and so on…

Because, as usual, US, which has entered first in this crisis, will suffer
the most, and also get out of it in first position. Europe won't.

Finally, I think you don't know your own luck having elected such a respectable (young) man.

And lastly, a warning here, if you allow me.
The huge state romanlike plots that killed JFK, MLK and RFK derailed the American democracy, towards the Nixonian
corrupted decay. Remember Nixon himself stating, in the Oval Office, registered on tape, and consigned by Haldeman
and Ehrlichman in their respective memoirs, that the Warren commission report was "the greatest hoax of judicial american
history", a "Bay of Pigs situation" ?
In a country where so many people carry a gun and shoot students like sitting ducks, I don't think some heated
arguments would do any good to this country. That would be too much of an ex post present to give to the
Great Divider that this president has been - for the US and the world.

PS : Can't wait to see W's memoirs. I may even buy some crayons to colour in some of the pictures.
Will he get it published by Blurb ? Or by Berlusconi Press ?
With nice typos like : My White Blouse Gears. Memoirs of ex-resident Push

About Palin, I hope she'll keep her teeth biting in the GOP, so that party which has returned
to its meager historic base - Confederative states of the pre-Civil War Deep South plus
some hicks in the mountain up there, will stay put for some decades, having the decency
of just agitating themselves in a shallow pool with brainy Sarah as instructress, while the
true American people and its government do the homework and clean up that bushy mess
of debt and war the world never could afford.

Spoken like a true kool-aid drinking European Liberal. In 4 years we will trade you Obama for a six pack of beer, and it doesnt even have to be cold.

[nathanhulick]

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My conclusion was that we, and I am being presumptuous here, over the age of 30 do not understand the generation that Obama represents.

What they are against is: racism, cronyism, favoritism, ignorance, being sent off to die in wars started by old men on false pretenses, and being ripped off by their parents who have mortgaged their future and left them with a reverse mortgage on the deflating family home.

Absolutely true. Unfortunately, Obama doesnt bring any real change whatsoever, as Ron Paul has pointed out many times. A large number of people want things to change, unfortunately, Obama is just bringing talk of change, but the status quo will remain.

Obama collected tons of money from wives and friends of lobbyists (although not the lobbyists themselves, because that would make him beholden to them), he collected millions from Wall St., does anyone here really believe that they gave him money because they thought that he was going to "change" they cronyism and favoritism that benefits them?

A lot of American people are angry and want a change from their politicians in Washington. They elected Obama because they thought that's what they were getting when they voted for him. If people are smart enough to realize they were duped (probably not), they are going to be very unhappy with what Obama gives them.