Vote for Obama. Here's why.

Re: Vote for Obama. Here's why.

Three what? I'm not understanding your point - sorry.

Serious mistakes..

[hellstan]

Re: Vote for Obama. Here's why.

Just giving my opinion here but the combination of a democrat president and the democrats having a majority congres will prove the worse thing economically for this country.

Care to develop ?
Last time I checked, after 1992, the US did not precisely do that bad…:rolleyes:

[Tulpen]

Re: Vote for Obama. Here's why.

Vote for Obama. Here's why.

Just giving my opinion here but the combination of a democrat president and the democrats having a majority congres will prove the worse thing economically for this country.

[hellstan]

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If Obama wins, I predict that you will discover that Obama and his entire campaign was profoundly and deliberately more deceiptful than you thought possible. My impressions are that Obama's inner sense of himself is pathologically disconnected from how he presents himself (I suspect he's a victim of serious child abuse) and that since his adolescence he has been manipulated by some of the most dangerous, scheming, radical anti-American Marxists of our time.

I fear for my country.

And what about a falsely repentant falsely ex-alcoholic president being manipulated by an overpowering vice-president, and being elected against
the will of the people, and after a massive electoral fraud in a main southern state ?
Ever saw the footage of this president born drunk again at the Beijing olympics ? The world did, if you did not, and was moderately amused.
The Chinese did, and despise America for that.
If you did not fear for your country seeing this "president" plunging it into an abysmal debt your 20 year old son will have to live 120 years to erase,
what can we do for you ?
So please, a bit of decency here.

President elect Obama mad a resounding and sobering first speech which already won him the appreciation of the entire world.
If you don't see the difference with the shameful America the world had to bear with for 8 years, what can we do for you ?
Anything you'll ask.

PS : Knowing Europe as I know it, I can tell you I'd rather rebound out of this depression, in a few years, in the US, than in European countries which will :
- bend under public debt
- be crippled by high taxation
- be confronted to an aging and decreasing population
- have to deal with more and more agressive minorities, namely young Arabs seduced by fundamentalism (they already set France in fire for 2 months 2 years ago, care to remember ?)
- never dream to attract, as America does, half of the migrating populations of the world, brilliant indian computing engineers,
extraordinarily inventive chinese inventors or merchants, and so on…

Because, as usual, US, which has entered first in this crisis, will suffer
the most, and also get out of it in first position. Europe won't.

Finally, I think you don't know your own luck having elected such a respectable (young) man.

And lastly, a warning here, if you allow me.
The huge state romanlike plots that killed JFK, MLK and RFK derailed the American democracy, towards the Nixonian
corrupted decay. Remember Nixon himself stating, in the Oval Office, registered on tape, and consigned by Haldeman
and Ehrlichman in their respective memoirs, that the Warren commission report was "the greatest hoax of judicial american
history", a "Bay of Pigs situation" ?
In a country where so many people carry a gun and shoot students like sitting ducks, I don't think some heated
arguments would do any good to this country. That would be too much of an ex post present to give to the
Great Divider that this president has been - for the US and the world.

PS : Can't wait to see W's memoirs. I may even buy some crayons to colour in some of the pictures.
Will he get it published by Blurb ? Or by Berlusconi Press ?
With nice typos like : My White Blouse Gears. Memoirs of ex-resident Push

About Palin, I hope she'll keep her teeth biting in the GOP, so that party which has returned
to its meager historic base - Confederative states of the pre-Civil War Deep South plus
some hicks in the mountain up there, will stay put for some decades, having the decency
of just agitating themselves in a shallow pool with brainy Sarah as instructress, while the
true American people and its government do the homework and clean up that bushy mess
of debt and war the world never could afford.

[hellstan]

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I'm more interested to learn about a forthcoming VAT, tax increases, more SS taxes, and of course massive keynsian efforts planned by people who've never had a real job.

phirang,
A french theologian wrote this some time ago : "They worship the effect whom they lament the causes."

All that crap about having cash without paying tax is the form of free lunch
the US had since 8 years - to their expense and the expense of the world.

Plus waging a war with borrowed money from Japs and Chinese.

So please… :mad:

A bit more discipline, here.

[ThePythonicCow]

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That would be 3 in a row by your count then?

Three what? I'm not understanding your point - sorry.

[ThePythonicCow]

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I hear the same response: "America is not Russia". They could not be more wrong.

Russia has a flat tax, if I recall correctly, which is less intrusive and more efficient than our income tax. Other nations have a VAT -- do they have an income tax too? If not, that's a point in their favor.

Russia and England and other European countries can still drill for new oil. France can add new nuclear power plants. Many superior natural medicines (work better, cost less) are available in Europe, but not America (where the FDA has become a pawn of a few big drug companies.)

What was different about America was that we had one of the healthiest, well formed constitutional governments and over the last 100+ years, the strongest industrial, agricultural and economic foundation in the world. We also had the advantage that it has been since 1865 that a major war was fought on our land.

Piece by piece the termites of socialism and the encrustation of bureaucracy and the misallocation of wealth from production to "services" and financial asset bubbles has weakened us. The damage is taking a heavy toll.

Fewer and fewer Americans understand the difference between (1) a limited government, formed by responsible citizens to accomplish certain tasks for the common good, within specific enumerated powers, and (2) a government that provides for and is responsible for the general well being of its subjects, providing them with various benefits misnamed as "rights".

The founding notion of America, that we all have unalienable rights, preordained by our Creator, not doled out by some government, and that governments have only limited authority, voluntarilly consented to and perhaps later withdrawn by those forming it, all seem like a quaint anachronism to what is now, clearly by this election, a majority of voting Americans.

[Insert sound of Taps playing on a lone, sad bugle ]

Re: Vote for Obama. Here's why.

My suspect you are implying a racial fear.

I am confident that you are not correct in your assessment.

I watch people. I know him. America just made a serious mistake.

That would be 3 in a row by your count then?

[medved]

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My response:
America is not South Africa.

When I share with Americans my personal experience of living for 30+ years in the former USSR, I hear the same response: "America is not Russia". They could not be more wrong. America is getting more like Russia by the day. People don't believe in their personal effort anymore, they all discuss, how to make the gov't solve all their problems. And everybody (both liberal and 'conservative') believes, gov't is omnipotent. Its "policy on economy" is oh so important!

This is precisely what Russians were and are trying to do. Their only way to solve any problem is to bring a "good czar", whether by revolution or by election.

Yes, America is not Russia. By the same token Lithuania is not Greece. So Lithuania accepted Christianity about 1000 years later with some modifications. But it was still the same religion! Faith in the omnipotent "good government" is the socialist religion, that is haunting Europe for the last 200 years. America is not immune to it.

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The only thing Obama will do, is bring more and more regulation in every facet of life. That will create more problems, than solutions. I agree, that current regulation is bad, but it does not mean, there is not enough of it.

[Chris]

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John McCain - what a dignified man. His concession speech was utterly beautiful. It's a shame those Neanderthals in the audience kept boo-ing at the mention of the name Obama.

[ThePythonicCow]

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Well he won, so hopefully you're a whacked out nut job.

I sure hope so.

[ThePythonicCow]

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Instead of debating ThePythonicCow, calling him (her?)

Him, quite definitely, despite the odd screen name.

[ThePythonicCow]

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I want to be sure I understand your position. In your mind, are high charisma and strong morals at opposite ends of the same axis?

No - not necessarily at all. I see no general rule correlating charisma and morality.

High charisma is an uncommon, but quite useful, talent. When rooted in a personality that has integrity, it can be a beautiful talent. When rooted in a personality that is deeply split by some unspeakable terror of childhood, it can be a dangerous talent.

[Or programmer to programmer, I view charisma as a void*. It has uses and can be very powerful, but it requires additional inspection to be sure it is used correctly. In the wrong hands, we get corruption and crashes. ]

Yup.

[BrianL]

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I want to be sure I understand your position. In your mind, are high charisma and strong morals at opposite ends of the same axis?

If so, I have a different point of view. I believe that a person is defined by their values. Values are uniquely individual, established by a lifetime of experience. I don't believe it is possible to completely know a persons values - we can only see what people choose to share.

People with high charisma, with elequent words and controlled manners, can hide their values better than the rest of us. This doesn't make them more malleable; values and strength of character dictate this. Charisma is simply a tool.

[Or programmer to programmer, I view charisma as a void*. It has uses and can be very powerful, but it requires additional inspection to be sure it is used correctly. In the wrong hands, we get corruption and crashes. ]

[ThePythonicCow]

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Do you think ThePythonicCow could be a "victim of serious child abuse"? ;)

Good question. No - I was not the abused child. I am the loner, who stands in the corner, watching others, even as I am being social. I live and die by my ability to see the reality of what is before me and to act on that insight. I remain vigilant, like a good sheep dog, for the unexpected, the dangerous, the threat.