Economic Crisis Avoidance Deus ex Machina - Part I: Active Asset Price Inflation - Eric Janszen

[dcarrigg]

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OK. Leave those millions of folks aside for a moment. There's still Jim Crow, women's lib, the Americans with Disabilities Act, redlining, blockbusting, & other housing discrimination practices, etc. I'm quite sympathetic to the notion that labor has gotten a very raw deal since the 70s. I've even gone on longwinded screeds about people worshiping an anthropomorphized conception of The Market. But Marx for his time certainly called some things right. He sided both on with Irish independence and with emancipation in the US and several other causes on which history did bear him out to be correct. And on the case at hand, Sherry Wolf's Sexuality and Socialism might be of interest. Or maybe not, judging by your use of the the terms 'buggery' etc. that you pulled straight from the dustbin of history.

[Lord_Keynes]

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i give up. i tried to engage you, lk, with information. you weren't interested. you persist in talking about gold standards that no one is advocating. you think you know what others are saying based on your preconceptions, but you are too full of yourself for any input.

i thought you might mature and become a contributing member of this community but i see it is not to be. this will be the last post i address to you.

whether it is your intent or not, you are a troll. and i understand the wisdom of the standard advice: "don't feed the troll."

Pleasure to meet you all. Ciao!

[Lord_Keynes]

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To me, this seems a strange thing to say from most Marxist perspectives. Not so much the gold standard part. But the artificially easy part. Perhaps for a random straight WASP guy not born into poverty. Increasingly harder to argue for all sorts of other Americans born between the end of WWII and the Civil Rights Act. Obergefell v. Hodges was only 3 years ago.

Umm, yeah, I don't really care about guys sodomizing each other. And while Marx did advocate some radical social changes, I don't think buggery had much to do with Das Kapital. Right wingers will criticize this as "Cultural Marxism", but I never really bought that particular slur.

All that said, I have nothing against buggery. I think that it's rise was propagandized post-GFC as distraction. Now we have trannies.

Marx would correctly argue that these social movements are fundamentally about breaking class consciousness. The revolutionary spirit is not directed towards the capitalist class, but racists, sexists, homophobes, etc. As distasteful as their personal prejudices may be, the powerless tend to be bigoted one way or another. This ultimately is the crux of how and why libertarianism was created as a propaganda tool. It simply worked in the reverse.

At the end of the day, if you have nothing to trade but your labor for your daily bread, you have bigger things to worry about that the government sanctifying buggery.

[jk]

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i give up. i tried to engage you, lk, with information. you weren't interested. you persist in talking about gold standards that no one is advocating. you think you know what others are saying based on your preconceptions, but you are too full of yourself for any input.

i thought you might mature and become a contributing member of this community but i see it is not to be. this will be the last post i address to you.

whether it is your intent or not, you are a troll. and i understand the wisdom of the standard advice: "don't feed the troll."

[jpatter666]

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The problem with baby boomers is their entire lives were spent in an artificially easy world propped up by the American Empire. As it comes to an end, they cannot fathom a different world. They are too old and too incapable of looking at the world in a new way. You won't find any millennials who believe in a gold standard. I am of Generation X.

So am I and so are many others on this forum. Again, you assume. And this forum is full of people who looked at the world in a *very* different way than the norm. How'd *you* do in predicting the 2008-2009 crash?

So far as a gold standard goes, many of us hold gold (I do myself, despite being Generation X) because it's a form of insurance (do you have insurance on your car? House?). You may well be right that *in the end* something like a Bancor or SDR or blockchain technology becomes the new standard -- but there is likely to be a period of chaos before then. Gold is likely to be very useful for that period of time. Or maybe it will become the standard again -- the wheel turns and what was old becomes new again; China and Russia aren't building gold reserves for nothing.

[dcarrigg]

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The problem with baby boomers is their entire lives were spent in an artificially easy world propped up by the American Empire. As it comes to an end, they cannot fathom a different world. They are too old and too incapable of looking at the world in a new way. You won't find any millennials who believe in a gold standard. I am of Generation X.

To me, this seems a strange thing to say from most Marxist perspectives. Not so much the gold standard part. But the artificially easy part. Perhaps for a random straight WASP guy not born into poverty. Increasingly harder to argue for all sorts of other Americans born between the end of WWII and the Civil Rights Act. Obergefell v. Hodges was only 3 years ago.

[Lord_Keynes]

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Shame. This is one of the few online communities that would give you half a chance even given your perpetual condescending and insulting tone. Some of the sharpest minds I know lurk here (I am *not* claiming to be one of them). If you can't recognize that, we can't help you.

The problem with baby boomers is their entire lives were spent in an artificially easy world propped up by the American Empire. As it comes to an end, they cannot fathom a different world. They are too old and too incapable of looking at the world in a new way. You won't find any millennials who believe in a gold standard. I am of Generation X.

[Lord_Keynes]

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Wow, Lord Keynes. Do I need to point out that Keynes was a child rapist and Nazi sympathizer? Exactly how depraved did you think those Americans where exactly?

I'm not a breitbart reader, but isn't Bannon an un-closeted Fascist? Why exactly are you quoting breitbart again?

My thesis is that the transition to what globalism was originally intended to be will be sold to the public as "nationalism", when in reality it will be nations ceding their monetary sovereignty to a supranational body. This has been at play for some time.

https://www.thelocal.fr/20111013/1463

I have a personal vendetta against Breitbart and Bannon. Bannon is indeed a despicable human being, irrespective of his political beliefs, which are not very easy to pin down.

I find your ad hominem of John Maynard Keynes to be distasteful. A century from now, everyone who ever contributed to this site will be dead and forgotten. History will never forget the name John Maynard Keynes.

He was a man interested in peace, and if you at all studied the founding of the United Nations and his many impassioned pleases, his entire desire with the Bancor system was to prevent another world war. Instead, the world war never ended and the US has killed untold millions maintaining a USD empire.

[Lord_Keynes]

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can't learn anything when you already know it all, obviously.

and you can't learn anything when your response to new information is to say it's not true without conducting the most elementary research to verify or deny it.

I don't actually know how things are going to unfold, but I do not consider gold to be part of any serious monetary policy. Yes, there is some Gold Council or whatever that publishes some data, but I can find nothing from a governmental body that confirms such holdings.

But, the burden of proof is not on me.

1) The gold standard failed multiple times. There is no reason to believe a gold standard will work in the future. If you believe it will work in the future, you provide a reason.
2) Major countries waged significant wars against gold imposing powers (Roman against Carthage during the Punic Wars, the United States against Great Britain during the American Revolution, Germany and Japan against Great Britain during World War II). Gold clearly is not necessary for societal organization sufficient to wage major wars against significant global powers.
3) I think structuring a society around a metal that is the color of urine is distasteful. I wear all silver jewelry, even pieces that contain precious gems. The entire history of gold is simply vile. I cannot even stand it on my body.

[jpatter666]

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Zero Hedge? ouch.

Sorry, had to throw some bombs to shake out the goldbugs and baby boomers. I don't think there is much to learn here.

Shame. This is one of the few online communities that would give you half a chance even given your perpetual condescending and insulting tone. Some of the sharpest minds I know lurk here (I am *not* claiming to be one of them). If you can't recognize that, we can't help you.

[jk]

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. I don't think there is much to learn here.

can't learn anything when you already know it all, obviously.

and you can't learn anything when your response to new information is to say it's not true without conducting the most elementary research to verify or deny it.

[globaleconomicollaps]

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What you have done here is not an argument.

The majority of Americans arguably have a lower quality of life than most Vietnamese. Their social connections are limited exclusively to the internet (hence, why you find this most egregious). But they are alone. Most do not know their neighbors' names. They do not have even casual connections to extended family, and the "nuclear family" - a propaganda exercise in and of itself has fractured beyond belief with rampant divorce and dysfunctional children engaged in all manner of depravity. The majority of Americans do not have jobs that pay in real terms any better than those in Vietnam, and in many cases pay far less when you factor in the necessity of an automobile virtually everywhere. Most Americans die alone, forgotten by all who knew them.

And let us not forget how the American, capitalist owned media/propaganda apparatus operates. I personally have had my good name tarnished in the international press due to defamatory lies by a political adversary. Trust me, being censored directly is far preferable than having page after page of google results repeating the same defamation.

You're not free.

Wow, Lord Keynes. Do I need to point out that Keynes was a child rapist and Nazi sympathizer? Exactly how depraved did you think those Americans where exactly?

I'm not a breitbart reader, but isn't Bannon an un-closeted Fascist? Why exactly are you quoting breitbart again?

[Lord_Keynes]

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ZH commenters are more civil and respectful. I guess the username Lord_Arrogant_and_Condescending was already taken.

Zero Hedge? ouch.

Sorry, had to throw some bombs to shake out the goldbugs and baby boomers. I don't think there is much to learn here.

[dcarrigg]

Re: Economic Crisis Avoidance Deus ex Machina - Part I: Active Asset Price Inflation - Eric Janszen

Breitbart is an effective propaganda tool however. It IS relevant, but not as a news source.

What do you think the term "multi-lateral" means?

My more expanded opinion, which I referenced with the independence of Catalonia, is "nationalism" will be sold to the masses as the solution to the never ending global financial crisis. Many voices represent different sides to this propaganda effort (The Brazilian Prez and many other Trumpists are popping up all over the world).

I see the term "multilateral" used all the time, specifically as a reference to opposition to US hegemony. Do you think it means something else?

While I would very much like for this transition to happen transparently within the UN political structures already in place, things are never quite what they seem. Hence, why I look for alternative meanings in obvious propaganda pieces.

Propaganda today is intensive. Simply look at how the Prez has shut down the government to build a border wall. It takes very little research to note that 90% of all illegal immigrants arrive by aeroplane and overstay visas. Building the wall will have negligible impact on illegal immigration, yet it is prioritized. Even if it is 100% effective, is the price worth a 10% reduction in illegal immigration? And by cost, I mean the physical cost as well as the political cost.

The word 'multilateral' appears but once in the entire speech, in the context of praising mutual guarantees for national independence and territorial integrity. There are a lot of things for which to reasonably justifiably criticize the Vatican. But I don't think that Pope Francis is advocating anything new or out of the ordinary here. I do think Breitbart is desperately trying to spin it as such, considering their article used a word six times that appeared but once in an hour-long speech.

Da ciò deriva il secondo monito: la pace si consolida quando le Nazioni possono confrontarsi in un clima di parità. Lo intuì un secolo fa – proprio in questa data – l’allora Presidente statunitense Thomas Woodrow Wilson, allorché propose l’istituzione di una associazione generale delle Nazioni intesa a promuovere per tutti gli Stati, grandi e piccoli indistintamente, mutue garanzie d’indipendenza e di integrità territoriale. Si gettarono così idealmente le basi di quella diplomazia multilaterale, che è andata acquisendo nel corso degli anni un ruolo e un’influenza crescente in seno all’intera Comunità internazionale.

[Chris Coles]

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What you have done here is not an argument.

The majority of Americans arguably have a lower quality of life than most Vietnamese. Their social connections are limited exclusively to the internet (hence, why you find this most egregious). But they are alone. Most do not know their neighbors' names. They do not have even casual connections to extended family, and the "nuclear family" - a propaganda exercise in and of itself has fractured beyond belief with rampant divorce and dysfunctional children engaged in all manner of depravity. The majority of Americans do not have jobs that pay in real terms any better than those in Vietnam, and in many cases pay far less when you factor in the necessity of an automobile virtually everywhere. Most Americans die alone, forgotten by all who knew them.

And let us not forget how the American, capitalist owned media/propaganda apparatus operates. I personally have had my good name tarnished in the international press due to defamatory lies by a political adversary. Trust me, being censored directly is far preferable than having page after page of google results repeating the same defamation.

You're not free.

While it was 18 years ago that my particular journey within the US started, over three years I spent almost all my time traveling within; attending many wireless industry conferences and other meeting from Chicago, to San Diego , Boston to Florida; was in DC on Sept 11th 2001, as I had an office not far from the White House in Connecticut Avenue NW. Over that time I met with and sometimes stayed with families, gosh! even fell in Love, but that is another matter. The picture you paint is entirely your own and it does not parallel my personal experience in any shape or form.

You tell us you are a Marxist, yet here you call yourself a Lord, which seems a very strange combination. I am sorry that you seem to have others, outside, before you arrived here, making inconsiderate comments against you; but as many here already know, that is par for course in today's world. And no; we are free. Freedom, or otherwise, is a state of mind. Those that are free will no doubt find it very difficult to knuckle under an illusion; that we need a superior mind to show us the way forward. We have learned the hard way to find our own individual paths forward. That is the strength of this small community.

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