Trump to win?

[Woodsman]

Re: Trump to win?

Trump was either...

Some presidents read the words written for them in tones so dulcet and soothing, the lies slide effortlessly into our minds. We know we are being lied to, but don't care. I speak here of Obama, surely the most ablest and smoothest liar who ever held the office. Some speak in a jarring non-linear staccato reminiscent of a pop-corn maker and there I think one must be primed to accept the lies. Here the Bush family deserves honors.

Listening to Trump-speak is truly an exercise, as in strenuous work. I myself have never encountered such a thing and be assured neither has the media who cover him. I've watched about six hours of Trump speeches, uninterrupted and unfiltered and I find myself laughing out loud at the constructions, the rhythm and cadence that isn't really there. It's the verbal equivalent of atonal music the likes one might hear by Arnold Schoenberg or Alban Berg (with a yooge dose of Spike Jones) and not everyone can appreciate it. Truly he is unique and never before seen in modern American campaigns. I think this has much to do with the media's reactive hatred of the guy.

He does not "follow the rules" of campaigns and in doing so makes the work of a DNC propagandist (the title of "journalist" no longer applies) much harder than it would be otherwise. Trump has no "stump speech" and every event is different from the last. He repeats anecdotes like other candidates, but for the most part, each talk seems entirely extemporaneous, off the cuff, and unscripted. He has the confidence of someone long accustomed to being at the center of attention and interest, but none of the rhetorical skill you would expect of a presidential candidate.

But this too is a skill and clearly it works for him. Clearly, it has been a rip-roaring success to date. It is what people have come to expect. And connect he does. Less for what he says, and what he says is a curious mixture of old GOP tropes, really old Democratic Party tropes long since jettisoned from the party line, and folksy, regular-guy expressions. But more for the perception that it is "straight talk" and that more than anything else affirms the idea in people's minds that he is "one of us." It's also tailor made for a propagandist to distort and misrepresent, so is one of his most powerful tools while at the same time his biggest liability.

His voters eat it up and can't seem to get enough of it. I won't try to explain it, but real or not, true or not, his vulgate works because he is not addressing the media or the usual political suspects. He is taking his message directly to his voters and likely voters. In that respect, it borders on genius. He's not campaigning for votes from people like you, Verrocchio and the idea that people like you could ever possibly gain affinity for him by means of his speech and rhetoric is laughable.

It takes a fair amount of mental gymnastics to watch the tape and read the rush transcript (y'all are most welcome - you won't find one anywhere else) and come away with it as a call to bloody murder. And never would that repulsive idea have entered anyone's consciousness if it had not been manufactured by the DNC public-relations team covering the campaign. So in that respect, I think jk is correct that one's orientation to Trump has everything to do with accepting the propaganda. In that respect, the more vile the accusation the easier it is accepted by his opponents.

Consider it the "Caddyshack" election - the snobs against the slobs.

So of course you wouldn't like it, Judge Smails. It ain't for ya.

[Verrocchio]

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when i heard trump's remarks about "second amendment people" maybe, "i don't know", having a way of stopping hillary's theoretical judicial appointments, i heard it on the radio without having heard the introduction by the broadcaster. my first thought was that this was an invitation to assassination. maybe it's my bias, but otoh he could have easily been clearer if he just meant organized political action. i believe he used deliberate ambiguity to provide fresh meat for his fans. he does this regularly- i believe he is vague to promote his audience's confirmation bias.

Trump was either (1) urging so-called second amendment people to vote for him, (2) suggesting that they could (maybe) shoot Clinton, or (3) both. Listen to him speak again and read the transcript, carefully. How can anyone be certain about what he intended to convey? Trump has been lauded for his media skills, but he falls miserably short of the clear oral communication that I want to hear from a president.

By the way, you won't hear any further comments on the presidential race from me. I value iTulip as a forum for discussion of the economy and finance, and see social and political issues as appropriate topics only insofar as these affect the former.

[Thailandnotes]

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http://www.democracynow.org/2016/8/1...autostart=true

[Woodsman]

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...of course this could all be a tissue of lies, but i don't see what would be in it for the clinton campaign to invite him in particular and to make sure he was in the same camera frame as hillary. do you?

It is a soiled tissue of lies, fetid and disease-ridden. I took one for the team and watched the entire Wilmington event. It's bullshit. A total misrepresentation enabled by editing, leading and suggestive commentary, false outrage, and repetition straight out of the Julius Streicher school of journalism.

Trump's Wilmington speech begins and ends with references to the Supreme Court and the threat to the Second Amendment should Clinton be elected.

"...Supreme Court justices. I guess there is a scenario where this president could pick five Supreme Court justices. And if you pick two that are left left left, it's going to be disaster for our country, your Second Amendment. The National Rifle Association endorsed me and they endorsed me early, long time ago, but, and they're great people. Wayne and Chris, they're great people. But if you uh if you do something with these uh, I tell you what, justices right now, you lost a great one with Scalia, we want to replace with justices very much like Justice Scalia, and uh that's gonna happen, it's so important, so, so if for no other reason, it's such an important, one of the most important elections, for a lot of reasons, not just that, but for a lot of reasons. And, but that's so obvious, because for whatever reason, they say this could be the presidency, this next four years, where you'll pick more Supreme Court justices than anybody has ever had the opportunity to do. And believe me, I'll make you very proud of those justices, they'll be good. Okay..."

That's the last we hear of the Second Amendment until nearly the end of his speech where he compares his plans to Hillary.

In it he returns to the theme on which he started, his intent to appoint judges that support the Second Amendment, his endorsement by the NRA, and the threat to Second Amendment rights posed by a Clinton administration. He makes the connection between the judges he will appoint and his defense of Second Amendment rights versus the judges HRC will appoint and her enmity toward them.

"Hillary wants to abolish, essentially abolish, the Second Amendment. By the way, if she gets to pick, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks, although the Second Amendment People, maybe there is, I don't know. But I tell you what. That will be a horrible day. If if Hillary gets to put in her judges, right now we're tied, you see what's going on. We're tied because Scalia was not supposed to happen. Justice Scalia was going to be around for ten more years at least. And this is what happens. That was a horrible thing. So now look at it. Hillary essentially wants to abolish the Second Amendment. Now, speaking to the NRA folks - who are great - when you, when you, and I'll tell you, so they endorsed me, they endorsed me very early. My son's a member, I'm a member. If you, we can add, I think the National Rifle Association, we can add the Second Amendment to the justices. They almost go, in a certain way, hand in hand. Now the justices are gonna do things that are going to do things that are so important, we have such great justices - you saw my list of 11 that have been vetted and respected, and I've gotten great uh - and they a little bit equate. But if you don't do what's the right thing, you're not gonna have, either you're not going to have a Second Amendment or you're not going to have much of it left and you're not going to be able to protect yourselves, which you need, which you need. You know, when the bad guys burst into your house they're not looking about Second Amendments and do I have the right to do this, okay. The bad guys aren't going to be giving up their weapons. But the good people will say, oh well, that's the law. No no, not going to happen. We can't let it happen. We can't let it happen."

Nothing he said in the entirety of the speech can be construed as a call to murder. It's a slander not only on Trump but every decent and law abiding person out there who values his American birthright. Understand, the affinity for the 2nd often aligns with folks who put their butts on the line for us in places none of us would want to go, places they don't want to go, but go each and every time it is asked of them. And to smear those people infuriates me more than I ever expected was possible. You are being played for a sucker if you believe the vile crap peddled in this story.

I was motivated to support Trump to avenge the Sanders kids and kick the DNC in the nuts, but this is rocket fuel, baby. You ever watch the old movie "Tora, Tora, Tora" when at the end Adm. Yamamoto says:

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

Absolutely goddamn right.

As for Daddy Jihad, nobody walks into a DHS/SS secured event and sits in the peanut gallery without being fully vetted. It's an invitation only gig and intended as a reward and motivation for local mucky-mucks, smaller donors or noted activists/organizers, and people who represent some of the themes embedded in the speech. You don't just walk in and say, hey, I'll just plant myself behind the candidate directly in the frame of the camera and least of all in events as small and scripted as HRC's whistle stops. This was planned and executed for effect; what precisely, I do not possess sufficient malevolent deviance to say.

My last word on it.

Coincidentally, I'm looking for a graphic designer to work up a few sample "Second Amendment Person" t-shirts and hat designs I intend to sell online and at Trump rallies. Anyone with experience and willing to share it, please PM me. There won't be much in the way of profit as I intend to give most of it to NRA and the Trump campaign, but if there's any interest in participation, feel free to reach out folks.

[jk]

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when i heard trump's remarks about "second amendment people" maybe, "i don't know", having a way of stopping hillary's theoretical judicial appointments, i heard it on the radio without having heard the introduction by the broadcaster. my first thought was that this was an invitation to assassination. maybe it's my bias, but otoh he could have easily been clearer if he just meant organized political action. i believe he used deliberate ambiguity to provide fresh meat for his fans. he does this regularly- i believe he is vague to promote his audience's confirmation bias.

the shot of "isis gold star daddy" saddique mateen was taken from this interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNiekZaals0
in which he says [fwiw] he wishes his son had gone into the army and fought isis. note also his singling out gun control as a reason to support the democrats. perhaps this is related to the fact that his son just committed a massacre with a gun. about his presence at the rally, he says he is a registered democrat and gets emails about all events in sponsored by the democratic party. he denies having received any special invitation, or being given any special seating.

of course this could all be a tissue of lies, but i don't see what would be in it for the clinton campaign to invite him in particular and to make sure he was in the same camera frame as hillary. do you?

[Woodsman]

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So many malignant forces who feel entitled to power are losing their grip on it, losing their grip on the official narrative they created. I wonder if Trump's lifespan can be counted in days or weeks...

Shiny, please. Let's not go there. We can't go through something like that again and expect to come out of it anything like we were before it. I don't even want to contemplate it.

Although given the Orwellian events of the past 24 hours, I'm ashamed to say that I'm not so sure that it couldn't happen. The gloves are truly off and I think Trump is finally understanding what it is he's up against. Something this other Second Amendment Person didn't understand until it was too late.

“By calling attention to a well-regulated militia, the security of the nation, and the right of each citizen to keep and bear arms, our founding forefathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of government tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains a major declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason, I believe the Second Amendment will always be important.”

- JFK, April 1960

JFK, The NRA And The Second Amendment

[shiny!]

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So many malignant forces who feel entitled to power are losing their grip on it, losing their grip on the official narrative they created. I wonder if Trump's lifespan can be counted in days or weeks...

[Woodsman]

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am really hoping this gets put to good use, as well:

And did you see fatty boy Beckel? Here Trump's recognition of "Second Amendment People" as being a powerful political block is knowingly misrepresented as a call for violence and it's all over the papers and just in time to misdirect folks from Hillary's endorsement by ISIS Gold Star daddy Seddique Mateen.



But let a Clinton spokesperson actually call for bloody murder and assassination on live television, well who the ufck cares about that, right?

“I mean, a dead man can’t leak stuff. The guy’s a traitor, a treasonist, and … and he has broken every law in the United States. The guy ought to be — and I’m not for the death penalty — so, if I’m not for the death penalty, there’s only one way to do it, illegally shoot the son of a bitch.”

Of course Assange is not an American so can't be a traitor to a country to which he holds no allegiance. He's actually not been charged with violating any US laws or any other crime whatsoever and Justice isn't really sure what to do about that. Still, the Clinton camp thinks Assange should be shot and better yet, extralegally, for the high crime of exposing Hillary's high crimes.

These people aren't democrats. They're not even Americans. They don't seem to love their country and have no affection for its people unless they happen to have an area code like 202, 703, 301 and 212. They've profited handsomely from the hollowing out of the country and relish at seeing Americans so hollowed out that they kill themselves with drugs, alcohol and the accumulated effects of despair to such a degree that the life span has actually declined.

Well molon labe, motherufcker.

[seobook]

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at just past 1 minute into the video, you can see where Assange shakes his head yes
https://youtu.be/Kp7FkLBRpKg?t=1m

[shiny!]

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And by the way, say hello to the newest NRA Life Member at iTulip. I hope their Political Victory Fund puts my grand to good use.

Good heavens, Woody! I just looked outside. Hades is freezing over!

[lektrode]

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....What is dangerous is how the media has lost any sense of limits. What is stupid is the notion that they will stop once the election is over.

And by the way, say hello to the newest NRA Life Member at iTulip. I hope their Political Victory Fund puts my grand to good use.

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Presented with a fair-and-balanced lack of comment...



Source: Townhall.com

am really hoping this gets put to good use, as well:

Wikileaks' Assange Hints Murdered DNC Staffer Was Email-Leaker, Offers $20k Reward For Info

The mysterious circumstances surrounding the death of 27-year-old Democratic-staffer Seth Rich have stirred Wikileaks founder Julian Assange to offer a $20,000 reward for information leading to a conviction. But it is Assange's comments during a Dutch TV interview that are most disturbing as he hinted that Rich - who was in charge of DNC voter expansion data - was the email-leaker and his death was a politically-motivated assassination.

• Aug 10, 2016 9:08 AM

[vt]

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Foundation- State Department Overlap

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us...rlap.html?_r=0

[Woodsman]

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Stupid and dangerous statement by Trump, but they all do this:

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/01/oba...-untouchables/

VT, you're falling for it too. There was nothing said that every other GOP candidate hasn't affirmed for the last 20 years, and also Democrats before they sold out their country, it's people and their birthright.

“By calling attention to a well-regulated militia, the security of the nation, and the right of each citizen to keep and bear arms, our founding forefathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of government tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains a major declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason, I believe the Second Amendment will always be important.”

JFK, The NRA And The Second Amendment

People who are passionate about Second Amendment rights are a powerful and potent block of activists and voters. The media took that and misrepresented it to mean go and kill. What is dangerous is how the media has lost any sense of limits. What is stupid is the notion that they will stop once the election is over.

And by the way, say hello to the newest NRA Life Member at iTulip. I hope their Political Victory Fund puts my grand to good use.

[vt]

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Stupid and dangerous statement by Trump, but they all do this:

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/01/oba...-untouchables/

[Woodsman]

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Everyone was so happy Monday that the Trumpster Fire could stay on message for an entire 24 hours. Well, no more waiting. We can relax now. Today he suggested that his gun totting followers could shoot her. Thankfully he later cleared this all up and said he was only joking.

This is disgusting. The Donald get's raked over the coals for disagreeing with the Khans. But put an Isis Gold Star family on the Clinton guest list...nothing to see here.

Holy crap! What do we do! No worries, the Democratic Party PR machine will provide the necessary distraction and redirection. And what happens? Trump recognizes the political mojo of "the Second Amendment people" and media spins it as a threat to Hillz. Of course they do.

"It was not clear whether Trump was inciting gun owners to use their weapons against judges or a sitting president, or was encouraging some other action."

Sure it isn't. A presidential candidate makes a statement of fact - gun owners are a potent political force - and this is knowingly distorted by the most august journalistic bodies in the world as a physical threat against his opponent; it's knowingly misrepresented as a call for people to shoot judges and political candidates. I don't care if your candidate is Irwin Corey or Pat Paulsen; people of good-will who care about the First Amendment and a free press should be outraged by this. But the Democratic Party and it's most vocal supporters would rather sell their souls and piss way the last of their honor in a fashion that would make Richard Milhouse Nixon blush. The health department ought to hand out rubbers at every Clinton event. Seems everyone that comes in contact with her gets a venal disease.

That this outright fabrication and willful misrepresentation of the facts would be used to deflect from Clinton's colossal lack of judgment and frankly macabre decision to invite that murderer's father to her campaign event just shows how debased this election season has become. And for Clinton to make political hay over the corpses of so many dead innocents while this person sits behind her and then ENDORSES her. Imagine for a moment if the tables were turned and this fellow sat behind Trump in one of his rallies?

Does anyone with a shred of decency left in them doubt now that the media has become an adjunct of the Democratic Party and has taken a partisan stand? Are there any remaining doubt that they have abandoned any pretense to objectivity or fair play and have betrayed the trust given to them by the people and in doing so threaten the very existence of the First Amendment. If this is not clear to you by now, nothing at all I might say can change that and I don't care to badger you about it.

And as for the Second Amendment, knowing that today's actualities are intended to distract and redirect from Clinton's unconscionable gaffe in Orlando, anyone who longs for gun control should take their beef to the Democratic Party. They have been in power for nearly 8 years and have failed to produce anything of substance on the matter. President Obama has never once invested any of his considerable political capital in pursuing even the simplest of gun control legislation because he understands that this issue is a proven electoral loser and he is unwilling to ride on a losing pony.

Democrats would rather have the issue to run on than do anything of substance about it. They have the Presidency and the Senate and still they cannot pass one simple bill. If you want gun control then you must ask the Democratic Party why they have seemingly refused to do the work to win passage of any laws to that effect when they have the means to do it. If you don't care about the Second Amendment, understand that you are in the minority and that both Clinton and Obama say they do believe in it.

Obama has stated categorically that he agrees with the Supreme Court's Heller decision affirming it as a civil right reserved for individual citizens. Clinton has been less clear in her affirmation of it, but has said she supports it and has no intention of working to repeal it.

I will say this; nothing would be more beneficial for Trump's prospects than HRC making gun control a centerpiece of her campaign. If I were Trump I would be on the phone with Wayne LaPierre right now making sure that at every campaign stop now until November 8th, he is surrounded by folks wearing t-shirts and hats emblazoned with "Second Amendment Person." As for HRC, well she has the mass murder terrorist dad vote locked down.