Pope monitoring Iranian woman sentenced to stoning death, Vatican says

[blazespinnaker]

The drumbeat towards the great war between muslims and christians.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/...ex.html?hpt=T1

Rome, Italy (CNN) -- Pope Benedict XVI is monitoring the case of an Iranian woman sentenced to death by stoning and has not ruled out getting involved through diplomatic channels, the Vatican said Sunday

Meanwhile, 100s of thousands of women and children are getting brutally murdered and raped in Africa, and we do nary a thing.

[Starving Steve]

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And my bunch of pot-heads from Berkeley applauded and cheered as the proponents of an Islamic Republic for Iran spoke on the Sproul Hall steps in 1969. That bunch is still at Berkeley and in San Francisco, cheering for Hamas and Hesbollah, Al Qaide and the Taliban.

In Victoria, we had "The International Day of Understanding", complete with a banner across Douglas Street earlier this summer, as if we need to understand and appease the regime in Iran, or to apologize for Western-allied military intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Chris]

Re: Pope monitoring Iranian woman sentenced to stoning death, Vatican says

The drumbeat towards the great war between muslims and christians.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/...ex.html?hpt=T1


Meanwhile, 100s of thousands of women and children are getting brutally murdered and raped in Africa, and we do nary a thing.

Are you suggesting Christianity is the cause of these issues in Africa rather than the lawlessness that accompanies corrupt government?

[blazespinnaker]

Re: Pope monitoring Iranian woman sentenced to stoning death, Vatican says

Are you suggesting Christianity is the cause of these issues in Africa rather than the lawlessness that accompanies corrupt government?

No, it's just if it's injustice we're worried about, there are probably more worthwhile causes.

[Chris]

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No, it's just if it's injustice we're worried about, there are probably more worthwhile causes.

In some respects I agree but not in others. For example, no African state is about to acquire nuclear weapons.

[shiny!]

Re: Pope monitoring Iranian woman sentenced to stoning death, Vatican says

If this was the action of a white government stoning a black, the western world would be up in arms. But because it is a patriarchial society's violence on a woman, somehow the world hesitates to interfere with "traditions" of a foreign "culture". I call Bullshit. If anyone reading this wants to get involved in an effective way, consider supporting Equality Now.

http://www.equalitynow.org/english/index.html

This is an organization that I passionately support. These women are on the front lines around the world, oftentimes putting themselves in harm's way, to stop stonings, floggings, rape, female genital mutilation (FGM), child marriages, and all forms of legal and cultural discrimination and violence against women. They work in small villages, as well as through the courts and legal avenues in countries where grossly brutal conditions exist for women and girls.

They are heroes.

When necessary, they even work in the so-called "civilized" nations. In April, the American Academy of Pediatrics put out a position paper changing their position on Female Genital Mutilation. The AAP wanted to allow doctors to "reach out" to the Muslim community by performing a "ritual nick" to little girls' clitorises. Equality Now put out a public action alert and public pressure was so strong that the AAP withdrew their position paper.

From their website:

"Equality Now is an international human rights organization that works to protect and promote the civil, political, economic and social rights of girls and women around the world."

Their organization is run very lean. The bulk of donations go to where they are needed the most. They can always use more money.

[aaron]

Re: Pope monitoring Iranian woman sentenced to stoning death, Vatican says

This woman broke a law, fully aware of what the punishment might be. While I feel for her and think Iranians are crazy, the simple fact is she is an adult who made an adult decision. (I believe the man is also sentenced to the same thing, could be wrong, however).

In Singapore they will put you to death for having some drugs. Tell me, what is more damaging to society, some drugs or loss of the family unit?

This is all political. "They" need reasons to bomb Iran . Personally, I do not want us to go in and kill thousands and starve millions more when oil goes up all because a man and woman could not keep their pants on.

[chr5648]

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Nothing good can come from the west's involvement in other parts of the world where there are fundamentally differences in society and culture. Somehow this action will backfire like past interventions in the middle east.

[Chris]

Re: Pope monitoring Iranian woman sentenced to stoning death, Vatican says

Nothing good can come from the west's involvement in other parts of the world where there are fundamentally differences in society and culture. Somehow this action will backfire like past interventions in the middle east.

you mean like the British in India or the Portuguese in Brazil?

[Shakespear]

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I don't seem to recall such concern when the Khmer Rouge were exterminating Cambodians. Who brought an end to it? Not US, not any country in Europe, not the Vatican , it was Viet Nam

Now the Vatican is "observing". Yehh, they are observing their caviar brunch with a swig of champagne.

[hayekvindicated]

Re: Pope monitoring Iranian woman sentenced to stoning death, Vatican says

The drumbeat towards the great war between muslims and christians.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/...ex.html?hpt=T1




Meanwhile, 100s of thousands of women and children are getting brutally murdered and raped in Africa, and we do nary a thing.

The West won't be able to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. This is because the Russians and the Chinese seem to be assisting them in various ways. Just as Pakistan could not have acquired nuclear weapons without the transfer of know-how from China, Iran also cannot do this on its own. The Russians have played a crucial role in assisting Iran and for reasons which are a mystery to most people.

Also, I think the Iranians have taken the view that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have imposed such an enormous cost on the US that it won't dare to start another war with a much larger and more resourceful country.

We can look back in half a century to the presidencies of Clinton, Bush and then Obama as marking the end of American power.

[blazespinnaker]

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We can look back in half a century to the presidencies of Clinton, Bush and then Obama as marking the end of American power.

The only mistake Clinton made was getting caught and screwing up the succession.

[hayekvindicated]

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The only mistake Clinton made was getting caught and screwing up the succession.

His mistakes were far greater than that. One of his most obvious and glaring mistakes was to be fast asleep while Pakistan built nuclear weapons capability on his watch. It is a bit rich for his kind to now start fretting about Iran when he allowed a far more dangerous country (Pakistan) to build the bomb.

In Pakistan you have a country which is rickety, unstable and infested with Islamic extremists which acquired nuclear weapons during the 1990s. The risk of those weapons winding up in the hands of terrorists is far greater than it ever will be with Iran or with the imagined WMDs that Saddam supposedly possessed.

[Shakespear]

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His mistakes were far greater than that. One of his most obvious and glaring mistakes was to be fast asleep while Pakistan built nuclear weapons capability on his watch. It is a bit rich for his kind to now start fretting about Iran when he allowed a far more dangerous country (Pakistan) to build the bomb.

Good point. Also technology from Germany is probable all over the nuclear program of Iran and Pakistan. Some info leaked out into the media in the past to give this impression.

[ThePythonicCow]

Re: Pope monitoring Iranian woman sentenced to stoning death, Vatican says

One of his (Clinton's) most obvious and glaring mistakes was to be fast asleep while Pakistan built nuclear weapons capability on his watch.

Warning -- harebrained paranoid conspiracy theory follows:

Maybe it was not a mistake. Maybe it was planting a casus belli.

If the U.S. military-intelligence complex (or whomever runs it) wants an excuse to unleash the dogs of war on me, perhaps they first get me to purchase a few AK-47's on the black market, then they stir up a fight between myself and my neighbor and use all this as an excuse to unleash all holy hell on the hole in the ground formerly known as my Texas trailer (if my neighbor, similarly supplied with guns, hasn't already done the job.)

This sort of playing off every one else against each other is the sort of thing that Zbigniew Brzezinski is famous for advocating.