When Masculine Virtues Go Out of Fashion

[globaleconomicollaps]

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I think what is happening is that there is a orchestrated conspiracy to create child like, easily manipulated people. John Taylor Gatto has written extensively about this:
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/

Our schools and our movies and TV shows reward such child like behavior as acting out, physical violence, sulking and temper tantrums. Adults in their 40s are encouraged to play video games and watch cartoons. Responsibility and emotional control are discouraged. This applies to both men and women.

A strong man, a "gentle-man" is not afraid of a strong woman. Weak ineffectual men are afraid of strong women. I live and work in Pelosi's district, and although I wouldn't vote for her, I am proud to have such a strong leader representing me.

[Munger]

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The more masculine the man, the less likely he is to help out nurturing his child.

[llanlad2]

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The culture war begun in the sixties has, in large part, been won by the left. Nowhere is this clearer than in the feminization of men. The virtues of manhood which had been extolled and celebrated throughout the middle ages right up to the 1950s have been completely expunged from academia and pop culture.

The thesis doesn't hold up. If men have been feminised it is certainly not through popular culture, the left or academia. John Wayne the last of the big men? One dimensional actor yes. Last of the big men? NO. Just look at the biggest movie stars of the the last 3 decades and go and tell them they were feminine. Arnie, Van Damme, Van Diesel, Bruce Willis, Tom Hanks, CLINT EASTWOOD, Stallone, Russell Crowe, Mel Gibson, Tom Cruise. Action, war and superhero films are massively popular.

The baby boom generation was the last to be taught the values of rugged individualism, risk-taking, courage, bravery, loyalty, and reverence for tradition.

Saving Private Ryan, The Pacific, Band of Brothers, Lord of the Rings, Gladiator all extol such virtues and were massive in the mainstream.

Today, the Boy Scouts are fighting the last battle in a lost cause. Any man who stands up to the "women's movement" is completely marginalized as a sexist and homophobe. These names have become just as stigmatizing as "racist" used to be. It is no wonder that women now are the majority of college graduates and are increasing their role in every institution from private enterprise to public service, including the military.

Maybe women are generally better suited to classroom study and harder working on average. They certainly seem to get better results in schools.

Edward Gibbon chronicles the increasing femininity of the Roman Empire in his six-volume work, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. He catalogues the progressive decadence that rendered the once-proud republic into spoils for barbarian hordes.

The guy who wrote this article needs lessons on understanding cause and effect. Is he really saying that Gibbon stated the Roman Empire collapsed because misguided liberalism led to the feminisation and collapse of what was actually a military state?

GNK

I'm a firm believer that people are the same as they were 1,000 years ago, and beyond. The only reason they change is due to circumstances. Environment plays a great role. One generation isn't more responsible, or more "manly" than another - one generation lives in a different environment than the other... and adapts - good or bad, or both. That's the difference.

I totally agree. And the circumstances are that men are more adapted to physical labour which is needed less in today's society.

Adapting to this change of circumstances is leading to identity/role problems for men as opposed to Academics, the loss of the Culture War etc

[flintlock]

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Google it

[Serge_Tomiko]

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Serge, I don't call delusions cultural values.

Unfortunately, the particular ways humans relate - and indeed have related throughout all of known history and in every culture - cannot be called "delusions" except by someone so beholden to a fantastic religious dream that reality is beyond their grasp.

I'm sorry, but it is you who are deluded. It is you who seeks to completely reorder human society in a way that has never been done before and by all accounts simply does not work.

Your purpose on this earth is to understand human nature, learn from the centuries of experience of those who have come before you, and live the best life you can. You are not here to decide for yourself that billions of humans are delusional.

The twentieth century was that century of imposing new visions of human nature on the world. They were all bloodbaths and spectacular failures. Liberalism may thus far be somewhat less violent, but its methods are equally insidious and destructive. The explosion of pathological behavior, the infamous culture of narcissism, and the breakdown of every known social structure is due to the errors in interpreting reality and history by people just like you.

You are not a god.

[Serge_Tomiko]

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The more masculine the man, the less likely he is to help out nurturing his child.

In case you haven't bothered reading history, you'd find civilization - something created by men - was done precisely because they cared for their children and their particular cultures. We have religious texts such as the Old Testament, Homer, and many ancient letters and writings from powerful men that focused specifically on their children.

Perhaps it is your notion of masculinity that is wrong. Perhaps you are looking at the uncivilized behavior of groups that have evolved with an r-type reproductive strategy that, through the miracle of modern technology, now number in the billions and assuming they represent one human nature. The problem is there is not one human nature, just as there is no singular animal nature as any breeder will tell you.

[jiimbergin]

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The more masculine the man, the less likely he is to help out nurturing his child.

Then you have a popr definition of masculine. A real man cares about his child more than anything else (except perhaps his spouse). I do not believe that men who do not care about their children are very masculine at all

[WDCRob]

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Those old John Wayne movies where he nurtured his many offspring were his best!

[karim0028]

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And what would that be ? I don't understand to what kind of behavior you refer to.

Passive aggressive is where a guy usually talks when he should be yelling and screaming ie. being pissed off, finds his wife/gf in bed with another guy and instead of kicking the living shit out of'em he starts bitching and crying about being heart broken, or whatever (where the lady usually expects him to be fuming mad).... The kind of scenario, where even the girl in question has to tell him to grow a pair ;)

[ASH]

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Google it

I'm pretty sure that was a clever joke.

You know -- a challenge phrased as a question "what would that be?" without directly saying "you're wrong about that." Not to mention the smiley face appearing in the post subject line.

[karim0028]

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No.

Come on GRG, need i bring up queer eye for the straight guy ;) Or how about being metro-sexual, or a guy getting his chest waxed or his eye brows done or taking longer to get ready than most ladies.... I would consider it femenization.... Granted, some are hygiene and stuff, but seriously..... Perhaps the difference in age groups is why you're not seeing it as much as folks in my age group (mid to late 20's), but alot of the twenty somethings are extremely metro.... So much so its hard to believe....

[oddlots]

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LOL - Nice work!

[flintlock]

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Ha, you know I almost replied to his post as it being a prime example of PA, but was trying to be polite. Good one Anon. I guess

edit: What is with the lame smiley faces? Looks more like a smirk. At least you can see these.

[sunskyfan]

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Actually John Wayne was a father figure in a number of his movies. The Shootist, Rooster Cogburn, Cahill US Marshal, The Cowboys, The Undefeated, Hellfighters, In Harms Way, Mclintok, Donovan's Reef to name a few.

[Munger]

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I think you should look up the definition of passive aggressive.