From a (semi) Free Country to a Marxist Autocracy?

[ricket]

Re: From a (semi) Free Country to a Marxist Autocracy?

　It’s my life, my God given rights, and my hard earned money you take from me at your peril. Nope, not greed…I have a good deal of common sense and even the occasional charitable motive. But if I earned while you sat in front of the TV smoking crack, I see no reason to give you what is mine.

Im sure that all those entities who have loaned us trillions of dollars to buy flat screen TVs and drive 7mpg Hummers would say the same about you. But you work you say? Well, you shouldve thought about that before being a US citizen. Don't like being lumped in the same group with a bunch of losers? Then you shouldnt categorize others as lazy ass crack smoking TV watchers either.

Your attitude is downright ridiculous and these kinds of uninformed statements (and I assume actions) are what is causing so many problems in our country today. Get off your "OMG THE SOCIALISTS ARE COMING" bandwagon, I'm sick and tired of hearing about this shit *now*. What about during the last presidency??

Wow. Just wow is all I can say. I try to keep my mouth shut on most things, but this post was one of the most ridiculous ones I have seen. It's a good thing it got moved to Rant and Rave and the Political Abyss because it sure belongs there.

PS I bet you voted for Palin because she was the greatest thing to ever hit the political landscape since Jesus.

[ricket]

Re: From a (semi) Free Country to a Marxist Autocracy?

If the radical Left takes over quickly, I know what I will do.

I think you need to spend a little more time on this site before spewing Fox News talking points.

[*T*]

Re: From a (semi) Free Country to a Marxist Autocracy?

It is one hell of a stretch to call the US Marxist or blame its current situation on Marxism. Most of Europe has genuine socialised healthcare. Would you call the UK, Germany, France, Marxist?

The US doesn't have a radical left. What you define as left is, by international standards, still on the right.

[Forrest]

Re: From a (semi) Free Country to a Marxist Autocracy?

What is Marxism? What is Marxist flavored Autocracy? What is radical Left? What is non radical left? Is there a non radical left? Or all left radicals? Free radicals? What is a radical? Square root of one half is radical 2 over two? Are rights non-radicals? Are there radical rights? What is right? Is right right? Or center all the better? How quickly is quickly?

　
Dear me…Kartius, you are nitpicking to death a fairly honest statement of the danger I view the country is in, and that it might mean trouble for some part of the political spectrum, and for members on this board. I don’t speak against any party, just ideologies.

Naturally, we don’t have a Marxist/Communist Party influencing our Democrats supposedly, anymore than we have Corporate interests influencing elections, or Religions influencing Republicans! And none, ever, could possibly be interested in anything but the best outcome for everyone's future, based on that faded old Constitution.


“Marxism is the economic, social, political, pseudo-scientific philosophy, theory, belief, or system based on the works of Karl Marx of Germany. The theory seeks the elimination of the notion of private property in order to gain control of the economic "means of production" by taking it from the bourgeois (the wealthy or propertied class) for the benefit of the proletariat (working class.) His philosophy of history was called "historical materialism" in which his goal was to bring about the end of history, by means of an eventual perfect, classless, utopian society he called Communism.

Marxist notions of collectivization and redistribution of the property of the bourgeois puts it on a collision course with the economic philosophy of Capitalism and free markets, and also with the social-governmental philosophies related to Democracy, in the oldest, pre-Marxism sense of that word. Marxism seeks to promote class warfare or, today, at least, class strife, and succeeds best where clear, major delineations exist between classes.” ~V. Biorseth~


Naturally, we do have a few people here and there with Marxist beliefs, and they are welcome to them…until they start breaking the law, instead of using it. At that point, I would like someone to hold up the Constitution of the United States…the ORIGINAL one…, and point out that laws were meant to be followed, which to me means pretty much everything regarding income tax, and various other anomalies, like fiat currency.

I will presume that you have sufficient education to look up the definition of all the other words and phrases you don't understand, and get on with answering your essential question.

You are saying, or asking of me, where do I stand, what is left or right of center to me politically, how do I think, what do I believe, and why.

As a Liberal Constitutionalist, The Constitutionalist part in my view means I believe in the laws of our county as originally envisioned by the founders of the country, and the Liberal part means that I believe that everyone should have the same minimum opportunities and benefits, such as food, and education, until they can take care of themselves. In other words, we help each other out. How it is done is irrelevant to me, as long as it is fair.

From birth to death we should take care of each other to the extent that we can medically, as well as physically, where there is real need...not just a lazy hand reaching out for more freebies. It can be done, indeed, has been done, as early as 10,000 or more years ago. In fact, many societies managed fairly well until about 1917...not perfectly, of course, but many of us tried to even things out voluntarily.

However, after a child is 18 years of age, they should be on their own unless they are taking, and excelling in advanced studies. The parents involved do not need the same minimal care unless they are disabled, or beyond a statutory retirement age, as decided by the people in an open election, nor should a child under 18 receive unnecessary food and education assistance if his parents can pay for it. I love vouchers.

If the people want to vote for more care or less, that is their right. For those that are invariably poor through bad management or the trials of life, I do believe that as wealthy a society as ours can afford to pool a fund to cover their basic needs. That doesn't mean setting them up in more than a boarding house, with communal dinners, and it doesn't mean giving them their own computer, their own cell phone, and a Dish Network account. It also doesn't mean I have to agree to give away money they never earned to buy things they can earn for themselves, unless they are elderly or disabled, and even then, I think the family should step in first, if there is one.

Rights to me are what the Bill of Rights granted us, and are also what the Marxist influenced Democrats would like to strip us of…you know…free speech, free right of assembly, free right of worship and so on.

Marxist flavored Autocracy unfortunately mean Marxist influenced finances, laws, and thuggery, and I cannot but be unalterably opposed to these things. I want power over my life...not power over yours.

It’s my life, my God given rights, and my hard earned money you take from me at your peril. Nope, not greed…I have a good deal of common sense and even the occasional charitable motive. But if I earned while you sat in front of the TV smoking crack, I see no reason to give you what is mine.

That is what personal property rights are about, and Marxism is against.

Now, did you want to say or ask something with more meaning?

[kartius919]

Re: From a (semi) Free Country to a Marxist Autocracy?

What is Marxism? What is Marxist flavored Autocracy? What is radical Left? What is non radical left? Is there a non radical left? Or all left radicals? Free radicals? What is a radical? Square root of one half is radical 2 over two? Are rights non-radicals? Are there radical rights? What is right? Is right right? Or center all the better? How quickly is quickly?

[Forrest]

I freely admit I’m running scared. It’s not what happens with metals…those are reasonably predictable by iTulip’s best guys, within reason, and I learn more all the time.

I have gold and a bit of silver, the house is paid for, and the real estate (income units) if sold even in this market would net as much as is owed against it. All that’s nice if our society doesn’t change too much, too fast.

But I don’t like what I see.

The daily Market is up, the futures are down, and the price of gold…well, it’s nice to see it above $1,000.00, since it seems to be the tipoff that a very nice pump and dump is in progress.

The Mainstream Media reports nothing…bought and paid for by the ‘very left’ and their corporate Tarp bailed out friends. So, barring the financial channel’s, I find what info I need on the internet, from books, and a lot of double checking of facts, and watch my ticker updates day and night.

But now we really are up against a possible turn away from our Constitution. Not that the current administration hasn’t already run rampant over law after law, but if they get their public option to provide Government Health Care, eviscerating rather than reforming the current legal/structural/financial/ health insurance system in place, power will shift to control of the people, not by the people, and debt peonage will soon follow.…if not immediately, certainly very soon.

I don’t mind burying the gold, but running for the hills, as other generations have done is beyond my ability. My dad’s 84, and fragile except with a shotgun, and I limp badly. So no running.

But a Marxist flavored Autocracy, hand in hand with all the corporate giants really bothers me. So does the UNEP Treaty which has been twice before congress, and quietly pulled as not being quite the right time to finish up consolidating NAFTA. (UNEP combines all three NAFTA countries into one region, and divides up things into new, larger states/countries)…well, I don’t really fancy a rush toward globalism.

I like going slow, because I hate change. Most people do. I could put up with all the creeping socialism everywhere because of the incrementalism, and under a law abiding society, I can figure out the rules, and get by.

But the country isn’t following a lot of the rules anymore…just the ones that suit them, and I tend to despise marxism.

If the radical Left takes over quickly, I know what I will do.

Do any of you? :eek: