What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

[metalman]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

Sorry $#* - this stuff all sounds incredibly pompous, verging on the comical. "Big moral threshold" eh? Wow you must wrestle daily with all kinds of deep moral issues. Just walking out the door every morning, you must encounter profound moral issues at the newstand, parking your car, consenting to pay your taxes, etc. etc. The thing about pomposity, is that it is stealthy. One can take terribly serious sounding moral positions on issues and only realise afterwards how comical they sound in the smallness of their concerns. Here's a good yardstick to take a reading on the "pomposity factor". You've siezed on a tiny percieved infraction of your "civil public poster's rights", and aggrandized it into a big moral threshold. :rolleyes:

I've had entire (long) threads here, where I challenged EJ to clarify some positions too insistently, summarily deleted in their entirety - including maybe a hundred other poster's involved, interesting and revealing comments - all just summarily deleted - entire thread gone! Poof! Just because the editor got tired and cranky of having to deal with the polemics. Boo hoo! So what? Water under the bridge, and whoever goes into a sulk about it afterwards does not apparently have enough other serious matters in their day to occupy their time. Don't you have a day job dude? Maybe that's more important than the "egregious infringement of one's sovereign rights" on these pages. Yeesh.

can't say from experience because i've never run one of these boards but maybe they figured out that they loose fewer subscribers by clamping down on certain behaviors than they lose by not clamping down.

fred's said repeatedly that the 'respect your fellow ituliper's' rule goes for ej as well. my observation... critical is ok, contradicting encouraged (eg, finster's deflation thread) but rude behavior is not ok, and trolling ees verboten... tho these are judgement calls.

i go to a lot of different forums and blogs and this one is decently managed... don't have to sift through 100s of 'yeh, so blow me!' and 'the jews did it' and 'gold is the only honest money' and other like nonesense posts.

[Guest]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

C'mon. Sure I was offended when a thread where I was getting in EJ's face was summarily deleted. But I also have enough of a sense of wryness to understand that being mightily indignant about what happens to your posts on a blog has it's comic side as well. But this "crossing a serious moral threshold" chatter is the most pompous sounding hot air I've heard in a while.

Sorry, I'm allergic to pompous. I don't pick and choose who I mention in that regard either. Take Finster's use of the royal "we". Drives me up a wall, and I'm not shy of pointing out that is pompous as well. I will point out pomposity everywhere I see it. Consider me the pompousness policeman here. I loathe pomposity, and $#* is sounding so pompous I'm almost falling out of my chair with mirth.

Bottom line - when people lose the ability to be amused by the comic component of their own occasional self-aggrandizements, they start to get pompous. Pompous means "self important" as in: My actions and the actions of those who would cross me or show me a casual disrespect, are matters which have a "vast repercussion in the world of ethics". :rolleyes: Try this instead: "what we occasionally stub our toes on in life does not mean squat".

No-one ultimately gives a crapola whether our dignity has been "impugned". And anyone who puffs themselves up and starts sounding like a stuffed shirt is a fair mark. This "crosses a big moral threshold" sounds like it's got all the stuffed shirt attributes, at least to me. Now you can throw rotten vegetables at me for saying it this bluntly. I could care less whether I'm popular or not for speaking out.

Pomposity is hilarious, in all it's guises. It presents a big fat sedentary derriere, just yearning for a boot to get planted in it.

Huh. So becuase you claim not to be offended (How did you feel at that moment?) No one else should be.

[Guest]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

i go to a lot of different forums and blogs and this one is decently managed...

Jeez dude, how do you find the time? I look at the extent of your posts just here at iTulip and wonder at the copious amounts of time involved in following and commenting on just what you cover here. And you do this on some other forums as well? What are you, independently wealthy, and working bankers hours? I find just reading and commenting on HALF of what gets posted here takes way more time out of my week than I can rest easy in my conscience for.

[Supercilious]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

Sorry $#* - this stuff all sounds incredibly pompous, verging on the comical. [...] You've siezed on a tiny percieved infraction of your "civil public poster's rights", and aggrandized it into a big moral threshold. :rolleyes:

Lukester, you completely miss the point ... again ...

I've had entire (long) threads here, where I challenged EJ to clarify some positions too insistently, summarily deleted in their entirety - including maybe a hundred other poster's involved, interesting and revealing comments - all just summarily deleted - entire thread gone! Poof! Just because the editor got tired and cranky of having to deal with the polemics.

Lukester please examine again the rubber chicken. This was not about the deletion of material that was harassing EJ in the well known Lukester-style. This was a discussion that was judged to be too valuable to be left in the public area and was transformed in a proprietary value material for the subscriber area. That is the problem.

Don't you have a day job dude? Maybe that's more important than the "egregious infringement of one's sovereign rights" on these pages. Yeesh.

Of course I don't have a day job, and I live in my mother's basement with the salad colander .... well you know the story. Once I had a teaching job. I was a substitute teacher, and I taught "Homec 101" at kindergarten level

And also, I just naturally assumed you were one of the more affluent ones here, as you post such dazzlingly astute commentary on what's really underpinning the markets. That must be translating into a veritable cornucopia of profits streaming in, such that $200 is mere chump change. What is up with that?

About my wealth what can I say ? I'm very poor from various malinvestments. I can't afford to pay the subscription if I don't start teaching again Homec (at kindergarten level). Even if that is happening I have to make sure that I get good value for my money.

[metalman]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

Jeez dude, how do you find the time? I look at the extent of your posts just here at iTulip and wonder at the copious amounts of time involved in following and commenting on just what you cover here. And you do this on some other forums as well? What are you, independently wealthy, and working bankers hours? I find just reading and commenting on HALF of what gets posted here takes way more time out of my week than I can rest easy in my conscience for.

note... my posts are short

[cjppjc]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

fred's said repeatedly that the 'respect your fellow ituliper's' rule goes for ej as well. my observation... critical is ok, contradicting encouraged (eg, finster's deflation thread) but rude behavior is not ok, and trolling ees verboten... tho these are judgement calls.

But that isn't the case here. There was no rude behavior. If there was, moving it to the paid section would seem silly. Full disclosure: I haven't read the thread. I've spent the a lot of time recently listening to the radio interviews from the front page of this site.

This Is Hell. Indeed.

[cjppjc]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

C'mon. Sure I was offended when a thread where I was getting in EJ's face was summarily deleted. But I also have enough of a sense of wryness to understand that being mightily indignant about what happens to your posts on a blog has it's comic side as well. But this "crossing a serious moral threshold" chatter is the most pompous sounding hot air I've heard in a while.

Yes. But we are in this moment now. Wryness can come later.

[Munger]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

Yes sharky but your first post (as retreived from Google cache):

Is not? Actually this is a question a little bit deeper. It is an unfair way of doing business for both subscribers ad non-subscribers:
- non subscribers are censored and unfairly pushed into paying for subscription in order to debate an issue with other non sub-subscribers
- subscribers will have to pay for a content that will otherwise would be free (not generated by the expertize they have payed for)

My question stands. Does EJ agrees with this questionable style of doing business?

While this forum is hosted by iTulip and they can do as they like, putting non-subscriber generated content behind a pay wall (and not just a copy of this content) strikes me as sketchy.

Edit:
Symbols: as part owner of the copyrighted content why don't you demand that iTulip delete your comments altogether?

All material posted on this board becomes the intellectual property of the poster and iTulip, Inc.

[Guest]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

Quote: "Once I had a teaching job. I was a substitute teacher, and I taught "Homec 101" at kindergarten level "

Yawn. Altogether too cute for me. Sorry, not particularly interested in deciphering whether you've ever had a real job or whether you've ever made the fat wads of cash from your astute trades - or not. If you have a working income, and you've made some decent trades, $200 is chump change. The fact you baulk at spending chump change and provide the above coy smokescreen as to your real situation is what tips me off that at least some portion of your attributes is self-aggrandized.

$200 USD to purchase some market intelligence that protects one's life savings is cabbie money to this reader. That is "doorman change". And that makes all the rest of the complaining sound like whining. You think your posted list of potential trades was gold plated maybe? Wow. Gold plated advice which you have, in a spirit of great generosity, offered "free" on these pages, which has now been shockingly "stolen" by iTulip to post in their "value added" pages? This is a truly grieveous infraction. A critically important moral threshold has been crossed.

Lukester, you completely miss the point ... again ...

Lukester please examine again the rubber chicken. This was not about the deletion of material that was harassing EJ in the well known Lukester-style. This was a discussion that was judged to be too valuable to be left in the public area and was transformed in a proprietary value material for the subscriber area. That is the problem.

Of course I don't have a day job, and I live in my mother's basement with the salad colander .... well you know the story. Once I had a teaching job. I was a substitute teacher, and I taught "Homec 101" at kindergarten level

About my wealth what can I say ? I'm very poor from various malinvestments. I can't afford to pay the subscription if I don't start teaching again Homec (at kindergarten level). Even if that is happening I have to make sure that I get good value for my money.

[Supercilious]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

Meanwhile the page with my contribution can be found in google cache here:

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:...hp%3Fp%3D85396

My original message was:

$#* New Title Needed

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,062

Re: Oil

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On this forum the ETF/ETN thingie and the index slippage has been discussed to saturation, ... but it seems things are still not very clear.

If one want to play oil (expecting an increase in the oil price), IMHO the best idea is to short the most shaky and leveraged short ETN or ETF If things go really well one may profit way more than the increase of price.

Conversely if one bets on the decrease in oil price the safest and best solution is to short an ultra leveraged shaky long ETN /ETF.

Of course in reality things are a little bit more complicated, one has to find a shortable ETN or ETF (not all the crappy paper can be shorted), one has to pay attention to the NAV/Trading value ratio in order to enter the trade at the best point, and also keep an eye on the number of the outstanding shares, calculate the pair decay etc.

If properly done one may not only benefit from the fluctuation in the oil price but also play bank and pocket the slippage ;)... and if the shorted ETN or ETF goes bust , then.... it's X-mas in the month the bust occurs

I wanted to further explain to Sharky (who is a non subscriber) what are the intricacies and traps of the ETN/ETF trade and how can one make sure that by using to his own advantage the pair decay phenomenon so that if the ETF/ETN survives he will make more money than from the normal index increase, and if the ETF/ETN fails ... well... it's 100% perfectly safe profits.

Now, if I write a long post about that, probably it will be moved swiftly in the subscriber area and the subscribers will see it pays off to get proprietary information. That is available only in the subscriber area ( or in Google cache or provided by 'asshats' when they are allowed to talk freely before the information harvest)

[Sharky]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

In spite of the site's claim that there is a one-month "free trial" for Select, I signed up and paid for a month to give it a try.

Extremely disappointing.

IMO, the site benefits tremendously from the input of the much larger audience in the public area. The theft of ideas from the public area for the benefit of the Select area further supports that point.

[cjppjc]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

Never mind I am wrong. It's just the times on the posts that had me confused.

[Supercilious]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

In spite of the site's claim that there is a one-month "free trial" for Select, I signed up and paid for a month to give it a try.

Extremely disappointing.

IMO, the site benefits tremendously from the input of the much larger audience in the public area. The theft of ideas from the public area for the benefit of the Select area further supports that point.

Well, ... Fred was gracious enogh, to put a locked copy of the original thread back on news (metalman's semi-crooked solution was adopted.

I would like to know if I can continue my 'asshat' explanations about what is the best way to play oil in the current environment, or the subject is deeemed 'verboten' and idea-monopoly and anything I will write on an 'ITulip thesis' subject will be appropiated in the subscription area?

[Munger]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

Meanwhile the page with my contribution can be found in google cache here:

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:...hp%3Fp%3D85396

My original message was:

I wanted to further explain to Sharky (who is a non subscriber) what are the intricacies and traps of the ETN/ETF trade and how can one make sure that by using to his own advantage the pair decay phenomenon so that if the ETF/ETN survives he will make more money than from the normal index increase, and if the ETF/ETN fails ... well... it's 100% perfectly safe profits.

Now, if I write a long post about that, probably it will be moved swiftly in the subscriber area and the subscribers will see it pays off to get proprietary information. That is available only in the subscriber area ( or in Google cache or provided by 'asshats' when they are allowed to talk freely before the information harvest)

(deleted by poster)

[Guest]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

Sorry Sharky. I remain profoundly unimpressed with the depth of your moral indignation here. What a lot of cheap nickel and dimers in this community. I *regularly* spend north of $3,000 a year on various newsletters, to protect maybe a $270K of investments. That's nudging over 1%. Wow - what wild extravagance, eh? Any home owners here? I guess you guys consider it the mark of a sane individual to regularly keep your fire insurance policies current, right? Yet when it comes to managing your money, you turn into a tightwad on the insurance policies? I have long regarded with a jaundiced eye, those who participate frenetically with forums such as this public one of iTulip's, who may have assets much larger than mine (there are more than a few members here who have 750K++ portfolios!), and who reflexively shrink back, like frightened jellyfish, at the thought of having to "shell out" $200 for ANY published advice. You people are in a class by yourselves. In my opinion, anyone who winces and moans when their investments take a beating, who have a net worth anywhere north of a paltry $50K, are too stingy for their own good with where they choose to buy a bit of financial insurance. Sorry guys. I have no sympathy for your arguments, as the $200 expenditure to this reader seems like a pathetic excuse to become a tightwad in this market environment. Penny wise and pound foolish. There's one in every crowd.

In spite of the site's claim that there is a one-month "free trial" for Select, I signed up and paid for a month to give it a try.

Extremely disappointing.

IMO, the site benefits tremendously from the input of the much larger audience in the public area. The theft of ideas from the public area for the benefit of the Select area further supports that point.