What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

[drumminj]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

Maybe its just me drumminj, but I would opt for the local pub over the four seasons any day; that is where my friends are. The four seasons is usually reserved for discussions with my boss about performance plans etc. and no, I do not think my boss is better than my friends.

Based on that, I think MM's post is the opposite of condescending. Like you said, the answer is perhaps in the smiley? ;)

If that is the case - and I misread the tone of MM's comment (which MM seems to imply himself) - then, my apologies, metalman, for misconstruing your comments.

[Supercilious]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

Thanks to everybody (including those who don't agree with me) for participating in this very interesting discussion.

Since the "Oil" thread, which was left in the free area, is still locked, I conclude that the iTulip management wants to keep the debate exclusively as a members-only monopoly (it would be great if EJ could confirm that) and discourage any non subscribers to touch this subject.

With my poor 'asshat' intellect I thought it would have been a great opportunity for the iTulip management to let both discussions to go in parallel so it will become obvious for every premium subscriber how much better is the information in the select area... but well,.... this may be another 'asshat' misconception...

[metalman]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

If that is the case - and I misread the tone of MM's comment (which MM seems to imply himself) - then, my apologies, metalman, for misconstruing your comments.

accepted... i did not make myself clear. there's a way you conduct yourself in the 4 season's and there are times for that and a way you conduct yourself at the local pub... and then there's places like tickerforum, a 7-24 strip club. good guys there, tho... some of them.

[Guest]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

They want it all for free. As good as it is, it's not "cheap" enough for them. In their ideal world, iTulip would pay them a retainer to come in here and deposit their hard-won pearls of wisdom on these public pages.

They want to prance around here depositing exotic peacock theories, replete with scheming Bilderberger Queen Elizabeth's and Bilderberger-ized Dr. Kissingers, and then scream blue bloody murder if they are bumped or jostled in the slightest by the editors.

"Non subscribers are censored and unfairly pushed into paying for subscription in order to debate an issue ... Does EJ agrees with this questionable style of doing business?"

:rolleyes: ?? This is the most wonderfully self aggrandizing flatulence, this reader has encountered here in a while.

for what it is worth - i am very thankful this site exists. in the same way that I am thankful that someone like Dr. Paul and Peter Schiff or Russian TV exists.

b/c it offers a different way to look at this world, and that perspective is quite valuable.

one only has to turn on CNBC or Nightly Business Report to see how worthless and shoddy business journalism is today.

As someone who reads WSJ, IBD, Barrons, financial newsletters, and a least a dozen finance books a year - itulip is like an oasis in a desert

again - IMHO - and for what its worth

[metalman]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

Thanks to everybody (including those who don't agree with me) for participating in this very interesting discussion.

Since the "Oil" thread, which was left in the free area, is still locked, I conclude that the iTulip management wants to keep the debate exclusively as a members-only monopoly (it would be great if EJ could confirm that) and discourage any non subscribers to touch this subject.

With my poor 'asshat' intellect I thought it would have been a great opportunity for the iTulip management to let both discussions to go in parallel so it will become obvious for every premium subscriber how much better is the information in the select area... but well,.... this may be another 'asshat' misconception...

i didn't call you an asshat. i said the subscriber area is (mostly) asshat-free... except when i'm acting like an asshat... and even then i'm only an asshat slugabed.

why not engage in the oil thread that's already going? the one you were all worked up over because you thought it had been had been moved, before you then got all worked up over another oil thread that had been moved?

Favorite ways of trading long oil

you and luke share a trait in common... you both like a good fight. maybe that's why you love each other so much...

[Supercilious]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

why not engage in the oil thread that's already going?

I guess that would be the sensible thing to do. I can always quote from the locked thread.

you and luke share a trait in common... you both like a good fight.

I'm not sure I can agree with that. I like a good fight when I believe I'm right. Lukester loves any fight that allows him to write renowned clear, common-sense and concise messages, regardless of the subject in discussion.

Actually, probably you already know, in any heated debate having Lukester as an opponent is a great asset. The key is to push his buttons in the correct sequence, in order to make him abandon his favorite intellectual hobby, which is, as you very pointed, waving the rubber chicken.

Anyway, I consider the issue of moving threads as resolved with success. I'm just glad if I had any contribution that helped iTulip to uphold the principles of honesty and correctness in doing business, because these principles are essential for the long term viability and success of any enterprise.

[*T*]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

We have restored the thread to News here: Oil

Apologies to due_indigence.

Moving a non-subscriber thread to the subscriber area was not the right thing to do. We have done it twice, but will not do it again.

We are always trying to find the right balance. Thank you all for your comments.

A gracious and upstanding response IMHO.

[Thailandnotes]

Is there a new policy?

1. Been visiting this site since its first beginning.
2. Am here much more for entertainment/historical perspective than investment advice.
3. Have written articles for this website.

Complaint:
"Oil"
"Stewart doing a good job w/Cramer"

And other threads are being started in “Today's News”
Then diverted to “Today's Select($) News”

Clearly seems some decisions were made.

What were they?

Metalman: "I love this place" I 2nd that emotion

[audrey_girl]

Re: Is there a new policy?

1. Been visiting this site since its first beginning.
2. Am here much more for entertainment/historical perspective than investment advice.
3. Have written articles for this website.

Complaint:
"Oil"
"Stewart doing a good job w/Cramer"

And other threads are being started in “Today's News”
Then diverted to “Today's Select($) News”

Clearly seems some decisions were made.

What were they?

Metalman: "I love this place" I 2nd that emotion

yes - in spite of some of the snarky comments posted here

[Prazak]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

Quite a bit of heated rhetoric here. Almost worth the price of admission.

Not that anyone need care what I think, but I see both sides of this discussion.

I often wonder why I'm paying a subscription to spend more time than I should picking through many an underwhelming thread.

On the other hand, I have come to value EJ's analysis and, as with Lukester, regard the subscription price as very modest in view of this analysis and that of several on the board whose opinions I value, including Lukester's and symbols (even if I don't agree with Lukester's gold thesis or symbols' approach to going long by shorting an ultrashort etf).

To be honest, I always log on and hit "New Posts", and the threads that come up are not clearly separated between free and subscriber posts, so I don't make a point of distinguishing among users who subscribe and those who do not. $200 is a small price to pay to be able to access all parts of this very well moderated site of lucid users without encountering any barriers to access.

[Guest]

Re: Is there a new policy?

Sorry to come off sounding snarky Audrey_girl. To tell you the truth, there's one thing that set me off - that's people who have been gobbling up tons of free content for ages, have posted their views far and wide on these pages on everything imaginable with luxurious freedom, and are now reclined in comfortable armchairs with the air of princelings to the manor born, acting as though they own the place. I'm absolutely 100% comfortable with all that - it's just that when such members then begin to emit petulant noises, about some small infringement of their "liberties", that one has the impulse to point out to them: "but look how many liberties you already enjoy here, as a purely free service that you've taken for granted for years now?". That is the thought in the back of my mind. Do you ever have the same thought, after noting how comfortably settled in some of our long standing free members sound on occasion? Or is this observation merely snarky?

My record here has been to consistently vote, in fact to vote emphatically, for the rights of any and everyone to freely have their say. I really mean that - I even take it to an absolutely literal extreme sometimes that others may find unacceptable. And I agree, taking someone's public comment from this segment of the website and making it no longer available to that public member is "awkward". But there is a much larger point that gets glossed over. That person has been reclined on some sort of splendid princelings couch here, declaiming about this that and the other, for a year or more, with no formal introduction to this place, or his place within it, than merely having wandered over and taken a free seat. During all the time since, such people (and I'm certainly not talking only about $#* here) take it for granted that they will be informed, advised, entertained and amused, all due to this wonderfully spontaneous idea of EJ's to set this place up and make all that info available to them as a wonderful free circus to stimulate their minds.

When such people have gotten to looking really comfortable, and then they start to sound peevish about the management's small discrepancies, while test-flying their "serious breach of ethics" nostrums, somewhere an almost irresistible urge comes up to offer them a boot in the derriere, in a friendly sort of way. You might call it sort of a "nudge" to wake up and realise what they have been offered for free every day for 12 or 18 months before they lazily decided to throw a couple of b0nars into the contributions tray. This is the sort of conceit that occasionally grates on me. I hope I can be forgiven for having lost it a bit in consequence, as unfortunately even if I'm not forgiven, you will not find me particularly penitent on this question.

BTW - this is in no way a distinction I'm drawing between the "relative merits" of paying vs. non paying members. I see both as strictly equal.

yes - in spite of some of the snarky comments posted here

[Guest]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

I must offer you my apologies $#*. I don't wish to cast a pall over this normally happy little community by venting spleen for it's own sake. That is never acceptable. My weakness here is that any traces of even inadvertent pomposity just sort of set me off. I know that is not exactly a conciliatory thing to point out, but suggesting that a disappeared "throwaway" trading recommendation of yours at the hands of iTulip constitutes their having embarked upon a "grave moral hazard", just sort of tripped the "pompous" fuse in my mind and I have spoken too harshly and that has been unseemly.

Having said that you are a very clever man and I for one have never had the view that free members here have any less "rights" than do paying members. I really emphatically mean that. The fact that this community treats every last one as equal is precisely what makes it so cool to be a part of. Maybe what is applicable, is that we all might try other paying services, and sort of wise up about the solid strategic market intelligence value we get here - either perennially free, or by paying $200 a year. Foolish or not, I've spent a fair bit of money in the past six or seven years to "hire" the market intelligence whereever I can find it. And some of the sources were not by any means stupid.

Of all of them, the breadth of strategic intelligence as to "where we are" has been provided with really robust focus only by iTulip. I don't agree with a number of their positions, but I also don't appreciate those humans who can be snatched away from in front of an oncoming speeding train, and then turn to their rescuer casually and greet them as though they were merely someone else waiting in a bus-line alongside them. When we are rescued from mortal peril, or even if we note someone exerting themselves to rescue us in any way, there is an ethical sobriety which must step in, and requires us to observe certain formalities of respect.

My point is, that it appears frivolous at least to me, in this context, to accuse the person who's just run out to snatch me away from the oncoming train, as having committed a "grave breach of ethics" for some small oversight as removing a single comment of mine to the select areas where I can no longer follow it. I've had one or two people cross my path in life, whom I've gone far out of my way to help, and who then treated me casually thereafter. There is a special store of indignation I reserve for those cases, as they don't appreciate the full meaning of danger and mishap, which can reach out and strike any one of us, at random. The appropriate way to approach such things IMO, is with maximum sobriety.

I think the Japanese have a special sense for this - that where someone has crossed your life with specially beneficial intent during a very dangerous time, the most sober minded people always maintain that recognition in the back of their minds thereafter. To do otherwise would risk being merely frivolous.

[Supercilious]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

I must offer you my apologies $#*.

Don't bother. The apologies are not sincere anyway, this is just an excuse to write another mile-long trashing message to vent frustration. I think you should make the next message longer (10000+ words) and keep stroking the rubber chicken to extract a deeper Lukester wisdom. People will be more inclined to believe you if you do so. And don't forget your main strenght: keep missing the point entirely! People just love to read messages of hyperbolic and disconected thought.

PS Fred, can we please have this thread moved to Rant and Rave since it's not really News anymore (nor was it in the first place actually) , and to create the proper conditions for Lukester to vent his frustrations in the apropriate environment? Thanks in advance!

[cjppjc]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

Don't bother. The apologies are not sincere anyway, this is just an excuse to write another mile-long trashing message to vent frustration. I think you should make the next message longer (10000+ words) and keep stroking the rubber chicken to extract a deeper Lukester wisdom. People will be more inclined to believe you if you do so. And don't forget your main strenght: keep missing the point entirely! People just love to read messages of hyperbolic and disconected thought.

PS Fred, can we please have this thread moved to Rant and Rave since it's not really News anymore (nor was it in the first place actually) , and to create the proper conditions for Lukester to vent his frustrations in the apropriate environment? Thanks in advance!

That was funny. I was wanting to do that. Of course I would not have been as funny as you.

[Guest]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

No further comment. That's all folks.

That was funny. I was wanting to do that. Of course I would not have been as funny as you.