Red alert

[Mega]

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Ah, it seems that Western peoples have a LOT more resitance to this virus.

Mike

[Mega]

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[Mega]

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...-outbreak.html

A SUDDEN turn of events, ......now all we have to do is stash 30,000 people

[Mega]

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[santafe2]

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The 7 day build time for the Wuhan hospitals is truly epic.

They are not being built to last, they are being built to win.....

It doesn’t need to be perfect, it needs to be just good enough to join the fight and hopefully turn the tide.

Like the Yorktown, the Wuhan hospitals will soon be irrelevant, but they might be the platforms that help win the battle and then the tide of the war.

This is an important point. There are roughly 20,000 cases, ~13,500 are in Hubei province. As would any location, they were over-run and completely caught off guard. Of the 400+ deaths globally, all but 12 have been here. Their medical system is well beyond even palliative capacity and many sufferers have been sent home to self quarantine and apparently it's often a death sentence. This response will save lives and may keep this virus from becoming the externality that, for a time, topples our global economic house of cards. Because this wound was self inflicted, I don't expect world governments to applaud but it does look like they're using their unique political structure to all our advantage. See the Fukushima disaster to understand how a government can completely F* something up and throw a global sporting party to celebrate their fake victory. If one wants to despise a government, there are more than enough candidates from which to choose.

[lakedaemonian]

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If their Health service is like their buildings?

The 7 day build time for the Wuhan hospitals is truly epic.

They are not being built to last, they are being built to win.

Ths last time I heard of anything on a similar scale and speed is in 1942.

The USS Yorktown got smashed and nearly sunk at the Battle of the Coral Sea.

Yorktown limped back to Pearl Harbor and Admiral Nimitz ordered Yorktown be turned around in 3 days.

A smouldering half sunk wreck was made combat capable and back in the fight in 3 days.

It was an incredible laser focused display of the will to win.

It doesn’t need to be perfect, it needs to be just good enough to join the fight and hopefully turn the tide.

Like the Yorktown, the Wuhan hospitals will soon be irrelevant, but they might be the platforms that help win the battle and then the tide of the war.

[jk]

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calculations based on "reported cases," irrespective of lag, obviously do not count UNREPORTED CASES, especially cases which may be mild and dismissed as insignificant. i don't believe any of these numbers. we don't have the data.

[Mega]

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The only death outside China was a Bloke from China...............I suspect something is not right here.

We see I guess
Mike

[FrankL]

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1 death outside China, looks like 0.75% death rate

death rate when you get full attention from western healthcare facilities is pretty meaningless when the actual downside risk is a nationwide epidemic that completely overruns the capacity of the healthcare system.
At that point, death rate will be what happens with minimal or with self-treatment of the disease.

If China can't contain the virus, that'll be the first case study for this effect.
And in case they can't contain it with their near-absolute police state measures... I would give most other countries little chance of doing better.

In fact, while this may sound overly cynical, if China is going to suffer an epidemic at national scale, wouldn't it be in their interest to have a level playing field?

[Mega]

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[Mega]

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IMPORTANT UPDATE FROM THE GOVERMENT OF MALAYSIA
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/co...ian-government

THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN:-

Damn that airline hostess is HOT!!

[Woodsman]

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Don't bother about Max Howrong...

Fair enough. Suffice to say that there is room for debate and given the "Chinese characteristics" we all know and love (sarc), we can only be so sure. For my purposes, I look to places like Hopkins, CDC, and WHO. Not being an epidemiologist and having no professional training in public health, I'm unwilling to either dismiss the statements of the authorities as deliberately misleading or put much stock on the prognostications of the Twitterati and YouTubers.

That said, I'm open to other points of view. This fellow here is someone who has long experience in China, has a Chinese wife (who is a physician) and whom I've been watching for some years now. He seems closer to your point of view. He too claims the Chinese authorities are under-reporting cases, but is more concerned about the experiences of the responders and the fact that they don't have sufficient access to the tools they need.

And this fellow impressed me, although I can't say this presentation alone does much to improve the clarity of this fast moving situation.

Given what I understand of the Chinese government and it's ability to turn the lives of millions of individual Chinese citizens into mere abstractions, it seems entirely in character for them to take the path of least resistance to achieve the outcomes they want. If told the key to limiting the spread and ending the outbreak quickly is quarantine, then they'll quarantine entire cities and provinces and shut down travel. If it means barricading people into apartment blocks by welding doors shut, that's what they'll do. If it happens that a few thousand must be sacrificed, so be it. It's the way of the PRC. If sparrows are eating grain, then kill all sparrows. If then locusts take over, import more sparrows.

I find it repulsive, but cannot deny that to them it follows a cold and rational logic.

[Mega]

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If their Health service is like their buildings?

[Mega]

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1 death outside China, looks like 0.75% death rate

[Mega]

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