People are extremely bitter about it, but don’t understand it*

[Master Shake]

Re: People are extremely bitter about it, but don’t understand it*

The many UN resolutions against Israel suggest otherwise: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...cerning_Israel

Given that the UN is usually a perfect inverse barometer, that only bolsters my statement. The Israelis are the only civilized people in the region.

[photon555]

Re: People are extremely bitter about it, but don’t understand it*

The many UN resolutions against Israel suggest otherwise: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...cerning_Israel

Are you kidding me. If the UN fell into the Atlantic during session world corruption would be cut in half. Remember a few years ago when the cafeteria staff walked off the job; those UN paragons of virtue rioted trying to see who could steal the most. They made the recent Black Friday mobs look like monks.

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Re: People are extremely bitter about it, but don’t understand it*

Are you kidding me. If the UN fell into the Atlantic during session world corruption would be cut in half. Remember a few years ago when the cafeteria staff walked off the job; those UN paragons of virtue rioted trying to see who could steal the most. They made the recent Black Friday mobs look like monks.

The UN seems to be the closest thing we have to an objective system of deciding which country can be described as 'right' or 'wrong'. AFAIK, no country has more resolutions requiring it to stop the occupation of (parts of) other countries than Israel.

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Given that the UN is usually a perfect inverse barometer, that only bolsters my statement. The Israelis are the only civilized people in the region.

A barometer perfectly inverse to what? I'm assuming that you support some of the works of the UN, such as the partition/creation of Israel?

[Starving Steve]

Re: People are extremely bitter about it, but don’t understand it*

Steve, how many other countries in the world outside the north american continent have you visited?

From what I have observed on the Home and Gardens Channel on TV, I don't think I would want to live in the UK, especially not in Scotland. And the release of the Lockarbie-bomber for so-called, "humanitarian reasons" is still something that I can not get-over.

[oddlots]

Re: People are extremely bitter about it, but don’t understand it*

It worries me that the success of the UN is extended to such relatively high expectations. To my mind the UN exists to prevent world wars. Period. Anything it does beyond that is gravy and it's corruption needs to be weighed against that goal to my mind.

I get the feeling that a lot of the criticism being leveled against the UN comes from people who don't really believe it should exist at all.

[Starving Steve]

Re: People are extremely bitter about it, but don’t understand it*

It worries me that the success of the UN is extended to such relatively high expectations. To my mind the UN exists to prevent world wars. Period. Anything it does beyond that is gravy and it's corruption needs to be weighed against that goal to my mind.

I get the feeling that a lot of the criticism being leveled against the UN comes from people who don't really believe it should exist at all.

I agree with your post.

[oddlots]

Re: People are extremely bitter about it, but don’t understand it*

Wow. You do realize that, without the Arab world preserving the Hellenic world and building upon it it would never have been recovered by the west right? Ironically you've just proved yourself uncivilised.

[flintlock]

Re: People are extremely bitter about it, but don’t understand it*

It worries me that the success of the UN is extended to such relatively high expectations. To my mind the UN exists to prevent world wars. Period. Anything it does beyond that is gravy and it's corruption needs to be weighed against that goal to my mind.

I get the feeling that a lot of the criticism being leveled against the UN comes from people who don't really believe it should exist at all.

Perhaps, but more likely the criticism is a result of the UN overstepping its authority and trying to present itself as some sort of world government, which is not what it was supposed to be. I'm not against the UN, I just don't want them telling me what kind of car to drive or any other goofy new world order stuff.

[Starving Steve]

Re: People are extremely bitter about it, but don’t understand it*

I don't want the UN Climate Agency telling me that the world is warming-up due to CO2 when I --- perhaps better than anyone else --- can provide solid evidence that the Earth is not warming-up more than 1degree F per century, if even that much. And that warming is part of a long-term trend that has been going-on since the Ice Age ended. Also, global sea-levels are rising but at only about 7inches per century, if even that much. That rise in sea-levels is part of a 10,000 year trend on this planet.

Shall I go on? The glaciers breaking apart is a process known as "calving". My undergraduate advisor at UC Berkeley (Dr. Mario Giovinetto) studied the ice budget of Antarctica and also Greenland. He dug the ice core samples. He found that glaciers calve at their edges because of ice build-up in their centres. This process has been happening for eons.

Anyone want to take a glance at the climate trend at San Francisco Airport? Or glance at San Diego's data? You pick your airport, and let's examine the trend.

www.wrh.noaa.gov/mtr

www.wrh.noaa.gov/sgx

Or would anyone want to peruse Delingpole's revelations about the AGW fraud, published in the London Evening Telegraph, "Climategate, the Final Nail in the Coffin of Anthropogenic Global Warming"?

Or would anyone want to read my masters thesis about why cities like the Twin Cities (Minnepolis-St.Paul) are so warm, relative to their surrounding undeveloped countryside?

The question is: How much b.s. from the UN Climate Agency about anthropogenic global warming and from BBC News can one take?

Somehow, I expected much more from the UN than what it has produced in recent years. And what the UN seems to generate is junk and propaganda for special interests of the worst type.

I won't even get into discussing BBC News and its propaganda.........

[Master Shake]

Re: People are extremely bitter about it, but don’t understand it*

Wow. You do realize that, without the Arab world preserving the Hellenic world and building upon it it would never have been recovered by the west right? Ironically you've just proved yourself uncivilised.

And the Islamic world hasn't evolved much since.

I suggest you read "How the Irish Saved Civilization."

http://www.randomhouse.com/features/cahill/irish.html

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And the Islamic world hasn't evolved much since.

It's difficult for a society to evolve when the US & British constantly meddle with the political systems in the area in order to control the oil. A good example is the overthrow of the democratically elected government in Iran in 1953.

The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, on August 19, 1953 (and called the 28 Mordad coup d'état in Iran), was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom and the United States.[1] The crushing of Iran's first democracy launched 25 years of dictatorship under Mohammad-Rezā Shāh Pahlavi, who relied heavily on U.S. support to hold on to power until he was overthrown in February 1979.[2] "For many Iranians, the coup demonstrated duplicity by the United States, which presented itself as a defender of freedom but did not hesitate to use underhanded methods to overthrow a democratically elected government to suit its own economic and strategic interests", the Agence France-Presse reported.[3]

[Ghent12]

Re: People are extremely bitter about it, but don’t understand it*

It's difficult for a society to evolve when the US & British constantly meddle with the political systems in the area in order to control the oil. A good example is the overthrow of the democratically elected government in Iran in 1953.

Actually it is empirically easy for countries/societies to evolve with US meddling and even occupation. See Japan:
Barbaric civilization with the world's worst war criminals ever in history transformed almost overnight (in a historic sense) into a much more mellow, high-tech society.

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Re: People are extremely bitter about it, but don’t understand it*

Actually it is empirically easy for countries/societies to evolve with US meddling and even occupation. See Japan:
Barbaric civilization with the world's worst war criminals ever in history transformed almost overnight (in a historic sense) into a much more mellow, high-tech society.

N.B. I said 'when the US & British constantly meddle with the political systems in the area in order to control the oil.'

Destroying nascent democracies is quite different to building a new democracy in a war shattered country with no desirable resources.

I agree with your quite different point.

[Starving Steve]

Re: People are extremely bitter about it, but don’t understand it*

It's difficult for a society to evolve when the US & British constantly meddle with the political systems in the area in order to control the oil. A good example is the overthrow of the democratically elected government in Iran in 1953.

From my own point-of-view, the Shah of Iran was too nice. He should not have cropped the ears of his protesters and his trouble-makers; the Shah should have hung every last one of them.

The U.S. and Britain gave Iran real democracy, not an Islamic Republic where clerics conduct a terror regime. No-one was stoned-to-death under the so-called, "tyranny of the Shah."

But let's not let the facts confuse the leftwing in this world. And I am a leftist, but this Islamic Republic bunch of thugs now running Iran are anything but liberal and anything but democratic.

These Islamists have balls! And in Indonesia, they held a World Islamic Conference and declared the Holocaust in WWII to have been a hoax. So let's confront these Islamists (or Islamic-Republic bunch) in Iran for what they really are.

I now admire the late Shah of Iran. Britain and America gave Iran a real democracy in 1953, and the Iranian people should have been thankful. ( I think most Iranians were thankful back in 1953. )

I am sooooooo darn sick of the clap-trap from the leftwing and the rightwing, both! After the Hitlerite-filth were defeated in 1945, the Allies (Britain, France, America, Canada, Australia, NZ, and the Soviet Union) began to try to establish a new world order for everyone on this planet to have at least a measure of democracy and freedom. At a minimum, human rights would be respected by governments.

But don't try to explain this to the thugs governing in Tehran. It is useless.... It was useless to even talk with them at UC Berkeley, when they spoke on the Sproul Hall steps back in 1969. And they spoke there almost every day of the spring of 1969.