The Despair Of The 99ers

[chr5648]

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What has been your personal attitude when you see a homeless person or an out of work person with a sign? What do you do? Do you label them "Welfare Queen" and "perpetually unemployed" or do you put your hand out and help them?

The first thing is, I don't pass judgement, just because someone looks like their homeless or out of work does not mean they are. Just because someone has a suit on, expensive, watches, and jewelry does not mean they are rich or well off. It could all be a facade.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGY-wX_Ovs

I also once saw a report where a guy would drive to his corner, park a few blocks off, change clothes in his car and go beg, making a few hundred a day. In europe I was disgusted as the gypsy's used their children to beg for money in intricate groups and methods. We also live in a free country where we can choose whether to work or not, or if we want to live homeless. I heard a radio program once where the guests were talking about their work in new york city trying to help the homeless, getting them into shelters, feeding them and such, alot of the homeless choose not to take help, they wanted to live their lifestyle.

At the same time, there are legitimate claims of homeless and down on their luck people that should be helped. How can a society function well if they are in that position?, what about the children? what does it say about us? I just think the government and their policies are horrendous, have increased the problem, and are pushed by certain groups to destroy communities.

Government in my mind is nothing but an arm of the community as a whole.

I shiver at the thought of that, if that statement is true, we are one hell of a community, with the constant wars and killing, economic sanctions, stealing, theft, police state, lies about WMDs, passing legislation which opposed by the majority of people(bailouts, bailouts, bailouts, healthcare, arizona), not passing legislation that is supported by the majority(audit the fed). One heck of an arm of the community we have there.

No offense rajiv but sometimes our minds can trick us badly. In my mind I'd like to be an even decent guitar or piano player, but for some reason no matter how much I practice or try, I'll never be at the decent or good level. I don't allow my mind to trick myself, I look at the facts, I am just not that good. In this case the government has failed miserably in nearly everything it has done except certain local functions such as police, fire, etc. It would be nice to have a competent legislature, education system, and federal government, or other agencies, but I don't foresee that happening anytime soon.

So I am quite justified in making may statement

Free speech my friend, fundamental human right.

[Master Shake]

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What has been your personal attitude when you see a homeless person or an out of work person with a sign? What do you do? Do you label them "Welfare Queen" and "perpetually unemployed" or do you put your hand out and help them?

If you label them, then you are definitely among the goats.

For the book also says



So the injunction to help is to do so without precondition. Government in my mind is nothing but an arm of the community as a whole.

So I am quite justified in making may statement

Nope, you are 100% wrong; government fucks everything up, even the notion of charity.

Essentially, you are turning a moral "should do" into a political "must do" compelled by the full force of the State. Destroys the charitable act and, eventually, breeds an entitlement mentality among the recipients.

How'd that Great Society work out? Ever been to the Projects? Your notion has been pure poison for much of poor black America resulting in multi-generational welfare dependence.

And regarding homeless people, I usually offer to buy them a sandwich. That way I know the money won't be spent on drugs or booze. You probably pass them by and then write a letter to the editor about mean conservatives.

[Raz]

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What has been your personal attitude when you see a homeless person or an out of work person with a sign? What do you do? Do you label them "Welfare Queen" and "perpetually unemployed" or do you put your hand out and help them?

If you label them, then you are definitely among the goats.

For the book also says



So the injunction to help is to do so without precondition. Government in my mind is nothing but an arm of the community as a whole.

So I am quite justified in making may statement

Christ never told Caesar to feed the hungry or clothe the naked or provide shelter for the poor. He told His disciples to do these things. It was to be a characteristic of His followers to do these things as a free-will offering to their Lord. And it is ridiculous to compare the free-will offering of charity to the forced confiscation of income or assets by a government. The Book has much to say, and both Conservatives and Liberals are wont to pick and choose among its strictures to comfort themselves in a political position that they have already decided upon.

Government in my mind is nothing less than a necessary evil that exists only to prevent greater evil - lawlessness and complete anarchy. One of the differences between mankind and the animals is that we cannot live in total chaos, and will surrender some or even many of our freedoms in order to have peace, even if it is corrupt and inneficient.

You and I have very different world views, and I suspect that much of the difference is absolutely irreconcilable. Your view that "government is nothing but an arm of the community as a whole" is true in many respects, but frightening in the Statist's view.
It seems to assert "rights" that do not exist, and to convert certain individual rights into group rights.

I like you, Rajiv, and mean no offense, I only speak plainly to differentiate these views.

[D-Mack]

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Pelosi loves her peasants

"I've had four or five months of people sitting outside my home, going into my garden in San Francisco and angering my neighbors," Pelosi said at a gathering sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor.
Pelosi added that the squatters have engaged in decidedly non-neighborly behavior like hanging their clothes from the trees; moving in sofas, chairs and other "permanent living facilities"; and, oddly, building a large Buddha on the sidewalk in front of her home. "You can just imagine my neighbors' reactions to all of this," she said. "And if they were poor, and they were sleeping on my sidewalk, they'd be arrested for loitering, but because they have 'impeach Bush' across their chest, it's the First Amendment."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/1...e_n_67826.html

[Minion]

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What has been your personal attitude when you see a homeless person or an out of work person with a sign? What do you do? Do you label them "Welfare Queen" and "perpetually unemployed" or do you put your hand out and help them?

If you label them, then you are definitely among the goats.

For the book also says



So the injunction to help is to do so without precondition. Government in my mind is nothing but an arm of the community as a whole.

So I am quite justified in making may statement

hello, friend,

My first reaction is to give. Second is to ask - what happened. Companionship and compassion is almost as valuable as material subsistence, sometimes more so. If I see the same bum every day, he'll get progressively less from me until he shows progress getting himself on his feet.

We were not created to be takers, but givers. Let not a man take continually, but give freely.

[Minion]

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Originally Posted by Minion
This is all very terrible.
It is written in a certain Book that "if a man does not work, let him not eat"

That quote is Paul talking about Church Members who were being lazy and not contributing to the Church community. 2 Thessalonians 3:10

jim

And who is the church, but the future rulers with Christ after He returns? Did He not lead by example himself?

[jiimbergin]

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And who is the church, but the future rulers with Christ after He returns? Did He not lead by example himself?

Of course He did. I was just saying that this particular quote did not command that if one does not work he does not eat. It only applied to the lazy church members.

[jiimbergin]

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hello, friend,

My first reaction is to give. Second is to ask - what happened. Companionship and compassion is almost as valuable as material subsistence, sometimes more so. If I see the same bum every day, he'll get progressively less from me until he shows progress getting himself on his feet.

We were not created to be takers, but givers. Let not a man take continually, but give freely.

We agree.

jim

[jiimbergin]

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Christ never told Caesar to feed the hungry or clothe the naked or provide shelter for the poor. He told His disciples to do these things. It was to be a characteristic of His followers to do these things as a free-will offering to their Lord. And it is ridiculous to compare the free-will offering of charity to the forced confiscation of income or assets by a government. The Book has much to say, and both Conservatives and Liberals are wont to pick and choose among its strictures to comfort themselves in a political position that they have already decided upon.

Government in my mind is nothing less than a necessary evil that exists only to prevent greater evil - lawlessness and complete anarchy. One of the differences between mankind and the animals is that we cannot live in total chaos, and will surrender some or even many of our freedoms in order to have peace, even if it is corrupt and inneficient.

You and I have very different world views, and I suspect that much of the difference is absolutely irreconcilable. Your view that "government is nothing but an arm of the community as a whole" is true in many respects, but frightening in the Statist's view.
It seems to assert "rights" that do not exist, and to convert certain individual rights into group rights.

I like you, Rajiv, and mean no offense, I only speak plainly to differentiate these views.

My world view is very much like yours. Giving is only meaningful when it is from the heart.

jim

[Rajiv]

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My world view is very much like yours. Giving is only meaningful when it is from the heart.

jim

Yes, but when there is to give, (and there is always something to give) and there is no giving, then is there no heart?

[ggirod]

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Yes, but when there is to give, (and there is always something to give) and there is no giving, then is there no heart?

Thank you, Rajiv, I could not have said it better.

[Minion]

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Yes, but when there is to give, (and there is always something to give) and there is no giving, then is there no heart?

"If a son asks his father for a fish, will he give him a serpent"

Likewise if someone asks for help, would you give them more dependence? Look at this nation of fatherless children. Are they self sufficient?

[Master Shake]

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Yes, but when there is to give, (and there is always something to give) and there is no giving, then is there no heart?

You would force people to give because you thought it proper?

[ggirod]

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Help me here... by

"If a son asks his father for a fish, will he give him a serpent"

are you suggesting that the father SHOULD give his son a serpent?

Matthew 7:9,10 If his son shall ask bread, will he give him a stone? The assurance of an answer to prayer is based on the fact that God is our Father. He treats his children as a good and wise earthly parent would. No kind parent would mock his child by answering his cry for bread with stones. Bread and fish were the chief articles of food of the Galilean peasant.

If we are to do God's work (without the bonuses provided by GS) then we maybe should use God's wisdom... giving a serpent is not something God would do. period.

[cjppjc]

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Exchanging bible verses back and forth in an effort to prove a point, especially when we know so little of the authors real intent, is counterproductive. As time, language, and the inevitable law of decay remove the essence of the lessons. All great teachings desire to touch the individual man, so that he may become a better man. Compelling people to do the things we think are just and correct accomplishes little for an individual man. If a man can live like he is taught by his religion, he is already a great man. But if he wishes everyone else to act as he was taught, he has lost contact with the truth of his religion.