Trump to win?

[Milton Kuo]

Re: The national ID card

The question of a national ID moves in and out of public attention.
I think it would solve far more problems than it creates.

In fact, for the most important purposes, it would not even need your name on it.
(It would need some sort of number, to avoid vote duplication).
It would only need to have your picture or some sort of bio-metric ID capability,
which could index the data base to resolve questions such as:

This person is a US citizen and entitled to vote,

or ,

this person is a legal US resident and entitled to work,

or

none of the above.

A national ID card using a smart card with a digital certificate on it is something I would very much like to see. Done properly (yes, fat chance of that being it's the utterly dysfunctional U.S. government), it would effectively eliminate identity theft crimes due to the idiotic use of a Social Security Number as a unique ID. For the various trash companies that insist on having a unique identifier for each of their customers for tracking purposes, a smart card based national ID could generate unique IDs usable by vendors without subjecting the cardholder to risk of identity theft.

Biometrics are good in that people tend to forget PINs all the time but the problem with biometrics is that good quality biometric readers are quite expensive, enrollment typically cannot be done at home, and people's biometric profiles (most common is fingerprint) can change.

And, as you say, such a card could easily be to validate a person as legally entitled to vote or not.

[Chris Coles]

Re: Trump to win?

uh huh, exactly what i'd expect out of those who practically brag about being 'with her'.

meanwhile, for those of US in the ranks of the 'deplorables', that is
within the 'uneducated' demographic (read un-indoctrinated by the lifetime-tenured .edu-industrial complex, who pay themselves 100's of thousands to MILLIONS of dollars per year, with their salaries overly-inflated by .gov edu-loan 'subsidies' that have created a gen or 2 of indentured serfs - even as they fatten the coffers of the financial-fraud industrial complex, while the FSA (free sh_t army) screams for MOAR -

all fanned by the fin-fraud industrial-complex OWNED lamerstream media - that then INSULTS those of us not so 'fortunate' to have been indoctrinated?

you might even remember - you know - like back when you used-to work for a living, santa?

that a lot, if not most of those of us in 'the deplorables' demograpic just happen to be the same people who do the now 'lower caste' stuff like: keep the lights ON, the airconditioning, elevators, and tesla's running, the water flowing and toilets flushing, the 5star restaurants serving (their overly-inflated egotistical diners), and even whole-wallet's all-natch, all-organic, non-gmo'd, out-of-season jet-flown fresh EVERYTHING available all winter long ?

not that any of US matter, esp to all them high-falutin cause-du-jour social-justice-warrior types (or would that be worrier types) that the obozo+hillbilly show constantly preens for?

while you in the CRONY CLASS, the beneficiaries of the all them deficit-spent subsidies, sit back comfortably and dump on those who question any of the excesses of the fin-fraud industrial complex-OWNED obozo+hillbilly administration of the past 7 or 8 years

ALL of which were entirely enabled by that very same hillbilly show's signing of both NAFTA, which eliminated MILLIONS OF OUR JOBS (down here in the lower caste) - along with REPEAL OF GLASS-STEAGALL -

which allowed the complete and utterly HOSTILE TAKEOVER of the entire us.gov, which they - in the crony class - now consider a WHOLLY-OWNED subsidiary of the Fascist State of amerika...
which is now HQ'd in lower manhattan - or chappaqua, depending on ones POV

and then expect us 'deplorables' to just lay down and accept as 'the truth' that pukes forth daily out of their ever so adoring 'admirers' within the BOUGHT-OFF lamerstream media?

Riiight!
shur, whatever you say santa.





well.. at least they've also shown a willingness to also tell us why their endorsement of hitlery also makes their editorial board as big a bunch of hippycritters and TRAITORS to We, The Rest of The People as have ever existed in The (fka) USA

to wit:


and THEN the obozo+hillbilly admin-appointed FBI chief allowed the DESTRUCTION OF EVIDENCE ?

and what do we hear out of that very same (mostly lib-dem run), hitlery-endorsing 'establishment' media?





oh, theres more than just that....

there's THIS very poignant OP/ED piece as well



(noting where their apparent loyalties... umm... lie, or.. uhhh... have layed prev):


with emph/bold by ZH.

again, could not have said it better, MY deplorable self.

As another deplorable, left school with three 'O' level's that has, mind you, left his mark; may I be so bold as to ask, politely, that I am able to print out the above and frame it?
That is one of the best posts ever here on good old iTulip.

Yes and I have been there with a bank here in the UK that had got itself into deep trouble late 80's early 90's and had deliberately incentivised all its managers to withdraw all overdrafts. Survived by the skin of my teeth, so I know exactly what this underlying debate is all about. It was such experiences that led me to propose the use of free enterprise equity capital, rather than debt to underpin a small business. What we are witnessing is the end game of a feudal mercantile economy entirely based upon the issuance of debt. Yes, debt is fine as long as one can be certain of long term stability, but the smaller you are, the greater the risk of instability; and to be sure, we have had instability rained on us for decades now. Banks thrive on instability; which is exactly the opposite for small communities.

[santafe2]

Re: Trump to win?

Do we expect the world will shift on its axis as all those undecided "Atlantic" readers leaning toward Trump now switch to HRC on the basis of this endorsement?

It's unlikely there is one Atlantic reader not already committed to HRC. In our modern world a well written piece in a respected magazine is repeated over and over again in hundreds of venues and it is those repetitions that will garner votes. It's the reason I posted it here. I don't expect the vocal opposition to change their mind but there are many silent readers here and possibly one or two of them will get off the fence and vote for HRC.

We know what the establishment thinks and what it wants. For goodness sake, it's the entire reason the Trump phenomena exists in the first place.

There is no Trump phenomena. Trump is simply an original entertainer, a carny with flair and he took over a political party that got caught sleeping. He has no policy, his supporters could care less about policy, they just don't want to lose the remnants their white privilege. These are the ancestors of the voters who didn't want to lose their white privilege in 1860. But white privilege is going away quickly. I don't expect y'all to take it well but the rest of us will continue to try and move forward.

[Thailandnotes]

Re: Trump to win?

How about if you are in the US on election day you get to vote...all foreigners, all felons, everybody.

[jk]

Re: Trump to win?

There is no Trump phenomena. Trump is simply an original entertainer, a carny with flair and he took over a political party that got caught sleeping. He has no policy, his supporters could care less about policy, they just don't want to lose the remnants their white privilege. These are the ancestors of the voters who didn't want to lose their white privilege in 1860. But white privilege is going away quickly. I don't expect y'all to take it well but the rest of us will continue to try and move forward.

i, too, oppose trump but i do think there is a "trump phenomenon." it is the rebellion of those who have lost out from globalization, technological advancement and cultural change. there are certainly those among trump supporters who imo are motivated by racial animus. but i have some sympathy for those who have been trashed by the changes our country has undergone. and i think it is to our shame that globalization was sold as an unalloyed good while all its benefits went to the upper few percent, and all its costs were paid by those in the lowest socio-economic strata.

i agree with you, though, that trump is a con artist feeding his narcissism and promoting his brand by taking advantage of those economic losers [not meaning that in a pejorative way, but simply descriptive].

[Woodsman]

Re: Trump to win?

...i agree with you, though, that trump is a con artist feeding his narcissism and promoting his brand by taking advantage of those economic losers [not meaning that in a pejorative way, but simply descriptive].

Sure he is. And given the choice, the best minds among us think Hillary's brand of con artistry, narcissism and self-promotion is the kind we should support. Of all the panderers and advantage takers in the race, the best people tell us Hillary is the one we ought get behind.

[jk]

Re: Trump to win?

Sure he is. And given the choice, the best minds among us think Hillary's brand of con artistry, narcissism and self-promotion is the kind we should support. Of all the panderers and advantage takers in the race, the best people tell us Hillary is the one we ought get behind.

if you truly feel "there is no choice" why do you make one?

[lektrode]

Re: Trump to win?

it might not have the 'credibility' of the atlantic, nor 'stoke the passions of the privileged CRONY CLASS'
(nor those of the Free Shit Army, nor the social justice warrior snowflake brigade)

but at least 'zero cred' (mode=sarc, level=thick'n'juicy)
who IMHO has shown more CRED than all the rest of the 'establishment' propaganda outlets COMBINED over the past few years - in that they at least REPORT what's really going on

vs the LAMERSTREAM MEDIA BS spinfest that occurs daily, constantly (since 2008)
that all you 'with her' lap up with gusto, as to feed you own GD 'confirmation bias'

but us Deplorables, OTOH - do seem to still think that the twistedly-corrupt POLITICAL CLASS is far, far MORE DANGEROUS to The Rest of US, than anything that could possibly offset the 'benefits' of what we've seen from the obozo+hillbilly show; which is PURE MALFEASANCE at every level of the current admin - and we can see, quite evidently now - that the stench goes all the way to the whitehouse:

White House Intervened To Suppress Hillary email Scandal, Leaked Emails Reveal

Newly revealed emails between the White House and State Department reveal that, not only was Obama aware of Hillary's private email server, his administration actively intervened to suppress the story on her behalf.

• Oct 7, 2016 7:03 AM

not that THAT is any sort of new revelation, or anything - merely CONFIRMS what us Deplorables have suspected all along - like since the 1990's, in particular.

and voter fraud is a myth 'perpetuated by the right' in an attempt to 'preserve white privilege'?

except, that is, it's only 'fraud' UNLESS it extends non-existent 'rights' to those that can be counted-on to vote for the so-called PC crowd's 'privileged' candidates - right?

Riiiight!

More Illegal Immigrant Voters Discovered In Philly - "Just The Tip Of The Iceberg"

Pennsylvania becomes the latest state to reveal voter registration fraud, joining previously discovered dead voters in Virginia and Colorado.

• Oct 6, 2016 9:30 PM

[jk]

Re: Trump to win?

What Republicans can learn from PM Theresa May


In a speech at her Conservative Party’s annual convention, Britain’s Prime Minister Theresa May laid out a bold plan to reform her country—and her party. She may also have provided a template for reform-minded conservatives in the United States who will be challenged to pick up the pieces of the Republican Party after Donald Trump’s increasingly probable defeat.

Prime Minister May framed her party’s task as creating what she calls a “Great Meritocracy”—a country “built on the values of fairness and opportunity, where everyone plays by the same rules and where every single person—regardless of their background, or that of their parents—is given the chance to be all they want to be.” It shouldn’t matter, she said, “where you were born, who your parents are, where you went to school, what your accent sounds like, what god you worship, whether you’re a man or a woman, or black or white.” But if we are honest, she concluded, we will admit that this is not the case today.

The question is what to do about it. The Prime Minister’s answer is to make the Conservatives the party of “ordinary working people.” This means, to begin, acknowledging the legitimacy of the discontent that fueled the pro-Brexit majority in the June referendum. “Just listen to the way a lot of politicians and commentators talk about the public,” she declared. “They find your patriotism distasteful, your concerns about immigration parochial, your views about crime illiberal, your attachment to your job security inconvenient. They find the fact the more than seventeen million voters decided to leave the European Union simply bewildering.”

The explanation, Mrs. May asserted, is class: “If you’re well off and comfortable, Britain is a different country and these concerns are not your concerns. It’s easy to dismiss them—easy to say that all you want from government is for it to get out of the way.” If the Conservatives are to be the party of ordinary working people, they must take populist concerns onboard without surrendering to the populist agenda—or to its least defensible sentiments.

etc

[Polish_Silver]

Major bone with SF2!

It's unlikely there is one Atlantic reader not already committed to HRC.

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Were there even ten righteous men found in Sodom?

I subscribe to the Atlantic, and sometimes read issues cover to cover. I do not always agree with everything it says, especially
it's articles in favor of Hillary.

Can't figure out how to vote, since neither Trump nor HRC is acceptable to me, even as "least worst".

I'll have to dig up some minor party guy, or write in Sanders.

I just do not get how any center left person (or anybody else) could prefer HRC to Sanders.

[DSpencer]

Re: Trump to win?

How about if you are in the US on election day you get to vote...all foreigners, all felons, everybody.

"Sure you're just here on vacation, and you might not even speak our language to read the ballot, and your loyalty is to another country that may have competing interests, but yes of course you can pick the people who make the laws that you won't ever have to live under"

I can honestly say that is the stupidest idea about voting I have ever heard.

[lektrode]

Re: Trump to win?

Originally Posted by Thailandnotes How about if you are in the US on election day you get to vote...all foreigners, all felons, everybody.

"Sure you're just here on vacation, and you might not even speak our language to read the ballot, and your loyalty is to another country that may have competing interests, but yes of course you can pick the people who make the laws that you won't ever have to live under"

I can honestly say that is the stupidest idea about voting I have ever heard.

yup spence, but Tn just wants to be 'with the IN crowd' around here, who're all, or most of whom apparently, ARE 'with her'

which just shows to go ya, that 'the elites' among us 'tulipers are just as idiotlogically blinded, clueless, brainwashed, benefitting-from or BOUGHT OFF along with the rest of the soros' funded social justice worriers

sincerely,
a DEPLORABLE

[lektrode]

Re: Major bone with SF2!

....I'll have to dig up some minor party guy, or write in Sanders.

I just do not get how any center left person (or anybody else) could prefer HRC to Sanders.

EXACTLY!
problem is tho, that a vote for ABT = vote for HRC
(anyone BUT trump)

altho ABH (anyone BUT hitlery) is my motto, this is where 'they' have us ALL over a barrel.

methinks what needs to happen, is a 'movement' to JUST SAY NO to any of them.
like HELL NO, WE WONT VOTE!!

problem there?
obozo gets to stay on???

I SAY:
instead of an 'election' ?

We, The People DEMAND

a CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION

AND WE WANT IT ****N.O.W.****

but we mights well just buy lottery tickets = a much better chance of 'winning'

[Woodsman]

Re: Trump to win?

if you truly feel "there is no choice" why do you make one?

Kobayashi Maru, doctor.

[Ellen Z]

Re: Trump to win?

He has no policy, his supporters could care less about policy, they just don't want to lose the remnants their white privilege. These are the ancestors of the voters who didn't want to lose their white privilege in 1860. But white privilege is going away quickly.

I think you mean descendants.