Alternative to World War III

[ThePythonicCow]

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But I'm not debating 9/11 here again.

One more thought - debates work when there is some reasonably broad common basis of agreement - a shared world view, at least as regards the underpinnings of the matter at hand.

When the underlying world view differs too much, then debates usually become exercises in justifying sticking with one's own world view. Such exercises tend to be frustrating and fruitless.

FWIW, and that's arguably not much, one of my late husband's best friends was a professional airline pilot and world-class marksman who flew black ops missions for several years.

Good story - thanks!

In my view, black ops capabilities extend well past individual skills. Unless you have plenty of spare time on your hands, I'd not recommend going down this rabbit hole. It's actually more like Mammoth Cave than a rabbit hole. You'll end up totally rethinking your physics, history, cosmology, and more before you're done. The technology available to the black ops folks is impossible, according to "modern" physics.

[shiny!]

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And I'll note again the mystical abilities exhibited by human black ops in contrast to the many and varied incompetencies of bureaucracies, politics and human error.

FWIW, and that's arguably not much, one of my late husband's best friends was a professional airline pilot and world-class marksman who flew black ops missions for several years. He had utter contempt for the bureaucrats you speak of, but a great deal of respect for the agents he flew- at least for their skills. He himself was no one you wanted to cross. He was always smiling, always polite, seriously twisted under the surface, and absolutely deadly. For some reason he took a great liking to my husband. Personally, I was scared to death of him. He passed away several years ago.

I watched him shoot a three-stage match: revolver, rifle and shotgun. His time was almost 2 seconds faster than the next fastest shooter (who was a seasoned competitor in his own right), yet he was so smooth it looked like he was suspending time and moving in slow motion. I've seen a lot of good shooters in my life, but he was in a class all his own. Having seen him in action, it's no mystery to me why the black-ops agents have such a "mystical" reputation.

[ThePythonicCow]

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It seems, to me at least, that c1ue asked a very reasonable set of questions.

c1ue and I contributed to one of the longer threads in iTulip history, at British Institute of Nanotechnology: Military Involved in 9/11. From that, at least, I know that there is zero hope of either of us convincing the other.

My current recommendation for someone seriously interested in the most substantial body of evidence I've seen yet on what happened to the World Trade Center Buildings is Judy Wood's "Where Did The Towers Go?". It blows holes (poor choice of words) in the thermite theory I was favoring in the above debate with c1ue.

But I'm not debating 9/11 here again. Life's too short. Read the book; don't read the book; your choice.

Other books tackle other aspects of 9/11, such as the Pentagon, Shanksville, the official response (and lack thereof), by such authors as James H. Fetzer, David Ray Griffin, Webster Griffin Tarpley, and Peter Dale Scott.

Though many of the details remain clouded in disinformation, confusion and secrecy, I am as certain as I can be that 9/11 was a monstrous false flag event.

[lakedaemonian]

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There is zero hope that c1ue or I will convince the other of our positions.

C1ue and I have had our differences in the past on this forum, but I think we are thinking along similar-ish lines when it comes to this stuff.

I agree with C1ue on the aligned interests not being conspiracies.......more along the lines of convenient opportunities.

The best two I can think of(in my opinion) are:

1.) Feminism
2.) Climate change

I think we can all agree that equality for women and looking after the only planet we have are worthwhile endeavours.

But I also think both government and industry were/are strongly incentivized to embrace and leverage both movements for their OWN agendas.......

In the case of government....supporting the "liberation" of Mom to work outside the home helped mask things like inflation, offsourcing 1.0(auto/steel), and a harder to maintain quality of life and standard of living.

In the case of industry....supporting the "liberation" of Mom created a new consumer class to market to and profit from.

It also carries a built in "moat".....attack the misuse of feminism and you are easily vilified...so you have to like it.

The net result was Mom now works 2 fulltime jobs(1 outside the home as well as the same fulltime job IN the home) to help sustain the existing quality of life and standard of living, except with a bit more cr@p in the house.

Anyone remember this commercial?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X4MwbVf5OA

I see little difference with the hijacking of climate change.

It allows government to once again mask problems of its own creation and industry to market/sell a whole new set of products and services...and if you fail to embrace the movement and happily embrace a reduced quality of life and standard of living, the built in self defense mechanism can result in people easily portrayed as "hating the planet".

Here's a rather blunt example from the usually quite subtle Poms:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26gc2jXW3K4

Neither of those examples require any back door dealing cabals, just some senior advisors in government able to identify the opportunity to implement some effective misdirection and misplaced blame.....and for industry to simply follow government's lead exploiting their own opportunities.

And I also agree with C1ue on the "black ops" side of the house when it comes to conspiracies....

Just look at how the Arab world perpetually blames the Israeli Mossad for pretty much everything that ever goes wrong, same was the case throughout Africa when it came to Rhodesian/South African until the 90's.....relative superiority between combatants turned into a convenient excuse to blame local incompetence.

None of those organizations were/are omnipotent or perfect...in fact often far, far from it.

Same can easily be said, as C1ue stated, of government bureaucracy.....and how on the one hand we understand government "clown car" incompetence, but on the other assume omnipotence?

[Raz]

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There is zero hope that c1ue or I will convince the other of our positions.

Neither have you convinced me.

It seems, to me at least, that c1ue asked a very reasonable set of questions.

[ThePythonicCow]

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There is zero hope that c1ue or I will convince the other of our positions.

[c1ue]

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How is "aligned interests" not a conspiracy? Is conspiracy theorists not just another term used to prevent someone from having to really think logically or investigate a topic.

Aligned interests are not a conspiracy.

Simply because we all want to live, doesn't make self preservation a conspiracy.

As for conspiracy theorism as a label - certainly this exists. At the same time, many/most conspiracy theorists subscribe to so many different conspiracy theories that the obvious question comes to mind: whether the evidence is actually there or whether there is a predisposition to conspiracy theories.

If one were to come out with only one or two valid conspiracy theories posited with strong evidence, that is one thing.

The grouping of potentially valid theories such as the JFK assassination conspiracy theory with completely inane ones like chemtrails simply destroys the credibility of the theorist.

Another possibility, instead of WWIII, that will seem really too far out to most everyone here: a faked alien invasion, but real enough to be very scary at the time. Think 9/11, times ten, with UFO craft doing things your college physics book says can't be done. Such could provide the galvanizing impetus for a global governance and monetary reset. As best as I can figure, the (human) black ops programs have the technology means to accomplish this.

Is there some basis behind this belief or is this a pure speculation?

And I'll note again the mystical abilities exhibited by human black ops in contrast to the many and varied incompetencies of bureaucracies, politics and human error.

Why again is it that W. Bush was unable to implant evidence for WMD's, the basis for a very expensive and unpopular conflict, yet somehow an operation that deliberately killed 3000+ Americans via murder is perfectly covered up?

[ThePythonicCow]

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I have heard "oh your a conspiracy theorist" thrown around far to often to end a conversation, and allow someone to avoid a topic.

I can still remember when my reaction to 9/11 conspiracy theories was to reject them out of hand ... for being conspiracy theories.

I don't sense that labeling something a "conspiracy theory" is necessarily done with intent to end a conversation, but rather as honestly saying that the scheme being described doesn't seem right. For example, it seemed to me like conspiratorial nonsense, a few years back, to suggest that dozens of high ranking members of the Bush administration conspired to carry out some grand false flag event on 9/11.

We each (might) like to think we are evidence driven; however we each also only have so much time in our day, and don't have time or energy to reconsider everything, everyday. Somethings we just have to say: I'm not going there; doesn't seem plausible; not worth my energy.

Later on, we might reconsider. But reconsidering can be a lot of work; one's whole notion of how things work at such levels of power has to be reworked; one has to rebuild one's history, economics, and more.

[dlew22]

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Welcome back TPC, but I simply do not share your dark conspiracy theory view.

Even though it is posted in rant/rave...content posted here still has potential to reflect positively/negatively on the forum as a whole.

I simply do not share the view of most conspiracy theories and their theorists.

I believe in "aligned interests" when it comes to hijacking of movements like feminism and climate change....the hijacking of the Tea Party, and the potential for hijacking of the OWS movement.....but 9/11 and alien invasion conspiracy theories simply do not work for me.

9/11 hijackers likely had nation state support to pull off the complex operation....my guess is elements in Pakistan and Saudi..our "allies".

Why bother with an alien invasion hoax when a real war will probably accomplish what is wanted.

Sorry, but it's all excessively complex Bond Villian BS...it's not the real world.

How is "aligned interests" not a conspiracy? Is conspiracy theorists not just another term used to prevent someone from having to really think logically or investigate a topic. Sort of a guilty by association tag. I have heard "oh your a conspiracy theorist" thrown around far to often to end a conversation, and allow someone to avoid a topic. As I see EJ labor through his essays and come out with just incredible data and theory, it is his conclusions or one off comments that tell me that his findings are very similar to what some people who may be considered "conspiracy theorists" have been saying all along. Could it not be that Ej and who ever is helping him (including all the people discussing on this site) are very brilliant at finding the, cause and effect of all that is the political economy but the big question of WHY isn't always so clear. I have waded through a lot of crap online to come to some kind of understanding about this world and if I tossed out the baby with the bath water every time i heard conspiracy theorist I might not have found EJ. Our his Oligarchs not their Oligarchs? Is his view of the worlds turning into something more like Running Man (i think that is how he described it with elites taking helicopters from sky-scrapper to sky-scrapper) not their Running Man?

[ThePythonicCow]

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Welcome back, Mr. Cow.
Would you please elaborate on just who or whom it was that "set Germany up"?

I'm answering briefly over here, instead of on EJ's thread where I made the comment.

No sense derailing EJ's good (as always) thread further.

In a space of about ten years (the 1930's), while much of the rest of the Western world was in the midst of a Great Depression, Germany went from being a defeated basket case to arguably the world's strongest military power. It did so with the financing of the same House of Rothschild banking interests and cooperating giant corporate interests (e.g. chemical - I.G. Farben, oil - Rockefeller) as backed the United States, France, Germany and Russia.

War is expensive. The largest war in history was very expensive. Thugs may start small wars, but it took intentional and massive financial backing to fund Germany's war preparations and campaigns.

[ThePythonicCow]

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Even though it is posted in rant/rave...content posted here still has potential to reflect positively/negatively on the forum as a whole.

True - it is still visible.

If EJ or FRED wanted to remove it, and/or ask me to not post such "crap" (as I'd guess they be willing to label it), that's fine by me ... my apologies in such case for posting out of place.

Had there been a suitable sub-forum that was not visible to the public, I would have posted this thread there. But the Subscribe Only iTulip Select sub-forums have "high quality" threads, so seemed unsuitable for this thread.

I do disagree with you on some of this dark conspiracy stuff ... but there's not much I can do about that here, other than wish you well.

[lakedaemonian]

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Welcome back TPC, but I simply do not share your dark conspiracy theory view.

Even though it is posted in rant/rave...content posted here still has potential to reflect positively/negatively on the forum as a whole.

I simply do not share the view of most conspiracy theories and their theorists.

I believe in "aligned interests" when it comes to hijacking of movements like feminism and climate change....the hijacking of the Tea Party, and the potential for hijacking of the OWS movement.....but 9/11 and alien invasion conspiracy theories simply do not work for me.

9/11 hijackers likely had nation state support to pull off the complex operation....my guess is elements in Pakistan and Saudi..our "allies".

Why bother with an alien invasion hoax when a real war will probably accomplish what is wanted.

Sorry, but it's all excessively complex Bond Villian BS...it's not the real world.

[charliebrown]

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miss you too Mr. Cow.

[ThePythonicCow]

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Thanks, y'all, for the warm welcomes. I probably won't be around much. I was just reviewing my financials and economic forecast, which of course brought me around here. And of course, I couldn't resist a comment or two.

[Kadriana]

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Hi Mr. Cow, it's so good to see you again!

With the never ending wars and ballooning debts, destroying the economies of nations... TPTB have blown the peons' trust so badly these last several years. Sooner or later, people in the western countries will start taking to the streets en masse. OWS may be the beginning. So I've been wondering what TPTB could use to rally everyone together so as to buy themselves a little more time. IMO, it will have to be something much bigger and more frightening than simply another despot we must hunt down. There was precious little support for the action in Libya, so those sorts of things won't work for much longer.

Sad, really. JFK united the country by giving us the mission to go to the moon. What a positive goal that was, and so many scientific breakthroughs came of it!

If we're going to down the path of conspiracy theories and the thought that our government is that evil, I go with some sort of plague. It would help delay the issue of peak oil, take care of population issues, and puts the people under total control of the government. When people are scared to die, they'll quickly allow quarantines and give full control over to the military. No one would be out protesting if they're scared of getting sick.

Nice to see you back Cow.