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  • #91
    Re: Did the allies bring down Malaysian Airline MH17?

    Maybe it would be worth including KAL007 as another incident to put into context with MH17.
    Lets do that.

    But within the last few years, additional taped evidence has become public that makes clear that I was given only selective information - some of the pilots' words and none of the comments of the ground controllers. Those full conversations reveal that the Russians believed the intruder aircraft was an American RC-135 reconnaissance plane, many of which flew routine missions in the area. The tapes, which are compiled in the final report of the International Civil Aviation Organization's investigation of the incident released in 1993 told me what I did not hear.

    The tapes, the content of which U.S. government officials were aware of at the time of the shootdown, show that Osipovich could not identify the plane, and that he fired warning cannons and tipped his wings, an international signal to force the plane to land. All this failed to get the crew's attention. The controller said, "The target is military. As soon as it has violated state borders, destroy it. Arm your weapons . . . The target has violated the state border. Destroy the target."

    Former U.S. officials involved in the coverup, who insist on anonymity, have told me that monitoring data was intentionally withheld from our U.N. tape. Beyond the propaganda value, the U.S. did not wish to tip the Soviets to the sophistication of its intelligence along the Soviet border. "Although untrue and unfair," one former State Department official told me, "it intimidated the Russians, and probably helped to prevent future such incidents and saved lives. We gave them a beating."
    http://www.alvinsnyder.com/the_truth...t_007_8994.htm

    So did we get an explanation WHY MH-17 was diverted further north when for at least the previous 10 runs it was way away from the Danger Zone? NO. Did we get an investigation (independent) of who was shooting on Majdan? NO.

    Ukraine controls the airspace. Where are its radar records? Gosh, this can't be top secret technology.

    No, the simplest explanation is not good enough. Where is the evidence and not that TWITTER based BS ?

    The Russians and their supporters don't present independent reports,
    Funny. Only our side and the Kiev Junta know best ?????? Have we forgotten the Nuland Tapes? And I do not mean the Fuc& You part.

    This incident is far far from a slam and dunk.

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    • #92
      Re: Did the allies bring down Malaysian Airline MH17?

      Originally posted by don View Post
      the hegemon's nightmare scenario:

      (yes, I know it's from ZeroCred.)
      well, not really.

      Thanks to the Independent, we may know the answer

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      • #93
        Re: Did the allies bring down Malaysian Airline MH17?

        I suddenly thought of this. Will Ukraine be another Vietnam? Like Vietnam, Ukraine has little valuable resources.

        I've always thought that Bush is the less intelligent one, but at least Bush can calculate.
        Last edited by touchring; 08-02-14, 01:39 AM.

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        • #94
          Re: Did the allies bring down Malaysian Airline MH17?

          "Did the allies bring down Malaysian Airline MH17?"

          No.

          Cheers


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          • #95
            Re: Did the allies bring down Malaysian Airline MH17?

            http://www.amazon.com/Truth-Tell-Ear...ds=lanny+davis

            The ones that really did it have been creating tales, trying to change the responsibility.

            The tragedy was a mistake; it was not intentional. But in trying to cover up and shift blame the culprits have made it far worse on themselves. Look at the cover ups of Clinton, Nixon, etc. All failed as will this one.

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            • #96
              Re: Did the allies bring down Malaysian Airline MH17?

              Originally posted by verdo View Post
              "Did the allies bring down Malaysian Airline MH17?"

              No.

              Cheers
              I don't understand the thread title, who the heck are 'the allies'? The last time I heard that reference was WW2!

              The ally of my enemy is my enemy and the enemy of my ally my ally; forget about conspiracies, how about some simple precision and clear language....

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              • #97
                Re: Did the allies bring down Malaysian Airline MH17?

                TransAsia GE222 blackbox results out.


                http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/fa...fficial-569499

                Fatal Taiwan Flight Black Boxes Showed No Distress Call: OfficialWorld | Agence France-Presse | Updated: August 02, 2014 01:45 IST


                Flight GE222 carrying 54 passengers and four crew crashed near the airport in Magong in the Penghu islands last Wednesday, leaving just 10 survivors, some of them badly injured. Two French nationals were among the dead.


                The ATR 72-500 propeller plane aborted its first attempt to land during thunder and heavy rain as Typhoon Matmo pounded Taiwan, officials have said.


                Examination of the plane's two black boxes -- which record cockpit voice and other in-flight data -- showed that the two pilots had discussed among themselves to request a go-around.


                The request was made to the control tower three seconds before the recordings stopped, said the Aviation Safety Council, in the first findings from the black boxes to be made public.


                Two unidentified sounds were also recorded shortly before the plane crashed, likely the sounds of the plane colliding with woods about one kilometre off the airport and then plunging into ground, said Thomas Wang, director of the council.


                No distress call was recorded in the black boxes, Wang said, adding that the transcript of the black boxes will be released at a later date pending verification by relevant authorities of its accuracy.


                "From the black box recordings we constructed the flight path of the plane showing it veered off the due descending course then colliding with trees and houses but the cause of the crash it is still under investigation," Wang said, adding a final report on the incident is expected in 18 months.


                Angry relatives have blamed the authorities and TransAsia for the worst air disaster in a decade in Taiwan, questioning why the plane was cleared to take off in stormy weather.


                Taiwanese officials have defended the decision to allow the flight to go ahead, saying the meteorology data showed that aviation safety requirements were met when the plane was cleared to fly.

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                • #98
                  Re: Did the allies bring down Malaysian Airline MH17?

                  Is someone lying ?

                  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...tification-war

                  You can not buy credibility once you lose it. History requires Long Term Memory.

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                  • #99
                    Re: Did the allies bring down Malaysian Airline MH17?

                    http://www.economist.com/news/leader...side-world-web

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                    • Re: Did the allies bring down Malaysian Airline MH17?

                      normal Western democracy
                      a measure of the harm Mr Putin has done
                      world needs to face the danger Mr Putin poses
                      A high-court’s worth of circumstantial evidence points to the conclusion
                      intercepted by Ukrainian intelligence and authenticated by America
                      it looks as if the missile was supplied by Russia

                      paid for the war and armed them with tanks, personnel carriers, artillery—and batteries of surface-to-air missiles
                      led Mr Putin to draw back from his policy of fomenting war in eastern Ukraine
                      That such clumsily Soviet efforts are easily laughed off
                      the tsar cannot suddenly wriggle free
                      pursue his corrupt friends

                      Only psychopaths think, talk and write that way.

                      http://www.economist.com/comment/245...omment-2455323

                      Love that article. Only two question : Where is the evidence? Lets see the radar data from ATC ?

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                      • Re: Did the allies bring down Malaysian Airline MH17?

                        accidental duplicate..

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                        • Re: Did the allies bring down Malaysian Airline MH17?

                          I began to suspect something was up when no mention of MH17 in the Western media was made for some time.

                          So now Malaysia isn't buying it and I see why.


                          http://www.opednews.com/articles/Mal...40809-576.html

                          http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b2d_1407952097

                          Parry had said that Bociurkiw’s testimony is “as close to virgin, untouched evidence and testimony as we’ll ever get. Unlike a black-box interpretation-analysis long afterward by the Russian, British or Ukrainian governments, each of which has a horse in this race, this testimony from Bociurkiw is raw, independent and comes from one of the two earliest witnesses to the physical evidence.

                          “That’s powerfully authoritative testimony. Bociurkiw arrived there fast because he negotiated with the locals for the rest of the OSCE team, who were organising to come later,” Parry had said.

                          Retired Lufthansa pilot Peter Haisenko had also weighed in on the new shootdown theory with Parry and pointed to the entry and exit holes centred around the cockpit.

                          “You can see the entry and exit holes. The edge of a portion of the holes is bent inwards. These are the smaller holes, round and clean, showing the entry points most likely that of a 30mm caliber projectile.
                          Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b2d_1...GH20YkBuOvk.99




                          I did not take this so seriously since a surface to air missile did not imply visual confirmation. But now...





                          They were tying to take out Putin. Too many coincidences...


                          Not even considering which one is true, how stable is a world being fed two completely opposite things with little regard for the real evidence? Seem like a recipe for disaster to me cause ya know most of us just hate violence...unless its totally justified...

                          Last edited by gwynedd1; 08-13-14, 09:32 PM.

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                          • Re: Did the allies bring down Malaysian Airline MH17?

                            Originally posted by gwynedd1 View Post
                            I began to suspect something was up when no mention of MH17 in the Western media was made for some time.

                            So now Malaysia isn't buying it and I see why.

                            I don't endorse this theory, there's plenty of speculation all over the Internet, but I know it's not so simple as portrayed by MSM.

                            The greatest suspicion is why it takes so long for the data from the black box to be revealed while Algerian and Taiwanese flight records have been announced like one week ago when their blackboxes were analyzed later.

                            If the blackbox data points to the rebels, I'm sure it will be announced in 3 days by none other than David Cameron himself on what UK investigators have found, holding a live conference with 100-200 reporters from different TV stations around the world.

                            And the very next day, reports such as the following will appear on the front pages of all newspapers.

                            "BLACKBOX EVIDENCE PROVES RUSSIA SHOT DOWN MH17"
                            Last edited by touchring; 08-13-14, 10:38 PM.

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                            • Re: Did the allies bring down Malaysian Airline MH17?

                              Originally posted by touchring View Post
                              I don't endorse this theory, there's plenty of speculation all over the Internet, but I know it's not so simple as portrayed by MSM.

                              The greatest suspicion is why it takes so long for the data from the black box to be revealed while Algerian and Taiwanese flight records have been announced like one week ago when their blackboxes were analyzed later.

                              If the blackbox data points to the rebels, I'm sure it will be announced in 3 days by none other than David Cameron himself on what UK investigators have found, holding a live conference with 100-200 reporters from different TV stations around the world.

                              And the very next day, reports such as the following will appear on the front pages of all newspapers.

                              "BLACKBOX EVIDENCE PROVES RUSSIA SHOT DOWN MH17"

                              Its not internet speculation. Its a first official observer with no reason to have a bias saying it looks like 30 mm cannon rounds fired at the cockpit.


                              6:10
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNMj-M-GDl0

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                              • Re: Did the allies bring down Malaysian Airline MH17?

                                Originally posted by gwynedd1 View Post
                                Its not internet speculation. Its a first official observer with no reason to have a bias saying it looks like 30 mm cannon rounds fired at the cockpit.


                                6:10
                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNMj-M-GDl0

                                Nice find, but I don't think his verbal testimony alone can absolve the rebels of responsibility. Only the blackbox data can do that.

                                Meanwhile, there's some close-up images of the damage inflicted on the cockpit on the Internet. It should be pretty obvious to an experienced military person if these are missile shrapnel, ball bearings or 20mm cannon rounds?



                                Last edited by touchring; 08-14-14, 03:45 AM.

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