What's really happening in USA is finally sinking in

[snakela]

Re: gun sales skyrocketing in US

You should really read some Hobbes. Maybe you should just realize that people are stupid, and democracy are tyranny.

Thats why the U.S. is a republic (or tries to be/used to be).

[snakela]

Re: gun sales skyrocketing in US

I assume you mean that the results are not statistically significant - because surely you noticed that the chart uses deaths/100,000 for the y-axis and %-of-population for the x-axis, canceling out population disparities?

The trendline looks pretty obvious to me. And most of the data points, at least in the second chart, have millions of people in the population and comprise a good number of the western developed countries.

No, its because correlation does not equal causality. If we flipped the X/Y axis of your chart it the NRA could use that as reasons the U.S. needs more guns.

[Raz]

Re: gun sales skyrocketing in US

Evil men tend to think they are good. Maybe you should reflect upon that.

Since the age of thirty I have never thought of myself as good.
That was twenty-seven years ago. Now I'm sure that I am better than no one and probably worse than most.

Perhaps you should think long and hard about where your concept of "good" is coming from. Anyone who would invade my home and attack me or my wife probably has a far clearer idea of right and wrong than you do. He knows what he wants and doesn't care who or what stands in his way. He laughs at men who think like you and counts them as allies.

No civilization can survive if a majority of its people develop your mindset. They believe in nothing but personal peace and aren't willing to defend even a child. And while I never called you evil you quickly refer to me as such. You who count the life of an armed criminal as precious as your own family's - my, my, aren't you selective in your compassion!

I would never slander the people of Norway as you have slandered me and my countrymen. Yours was a nation that refused to join the treachery and treason of Vidkun Quisling; which produced the heroes of Telemark who sacrificed their own families rather than see Nazi Germany develop an atomic bomb; who hid Jews from their would-be exterminators.

I hope that you are not representative of the people of Norway.

[jtabeb]

Re: gun sales skyrocketing in US

I assume you mean that the results are not statistically significant - because surely you noticed that the chart uses deaths/100,000 for the y-axis and %-of-population for the x-axis, canceling out population disparities?

The trendline looks pretty obvious to me. And most of the data points, at least in the second chart, have millions of people in the population and comprise a good number of the western developed countries.

Actually, I aced statistics, and chemistry But I got an F in third term physics, damn electromagnitism. The problem with the data as I sure YOU know that little buagaboo called causaility.

Are there more deaths from guns because there are more guns, or are there more deaths from guns because there is more violence. Are there more guns because someplace is more violent? Are there fewer guns in less violent places? You know logical fallacy. What about the proportion of legally obtained firearms vs illegally obtained ones. How many of those deaths were cause by persons that had legally obtained firearms vs those that had not.

How bout a chart that plots deaths and includes legal firearm ownership and excludes criminal homicide (from the deaths data)? That would be a better test case would it not (you know to prove your point that legal ownership of firearms leads to increasing homicde rates?

C'mon now you should know that there are lies, DAMN lies, and statistics.

If you want to prove something with statistics, make DAMN sure your data set is specific enough to quantify the question you are ACTUALLY asking.

[rogermexico]

Re: gun sales skyrocketing in US

I think all evil men think they are good.

Yes, you think you are good, but your slave mentality is evil.

[nero3]

Re: gun sales skyrocketing in US

nero3,

This is a perfect example of Humanism at its worst. Only a mind which rejects any moral absolutes and has lost its powers of deductive reasoning could make such a statement. "War is peace, and lies are truth". It's obvious that you have never faced an armed criminal, nor have you had a friend or neighbor callously murdered by one of these "equal worth" criminals.

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Evil men tend to think they are good. Maybe you should reflect upon that.

[Munger]

Re: gun sales skyrocketing in US

Yeah, NO SAMPLING error there or anything. You know comparing populations with hundreds of millions to you know, hundreds.

Great chart, I see you failed statistics in high school, non?

I assume you mean that the results are not statistically significant - because surely you noticed that the chart uses deaths/100,000 for the y-axis and %-of-population for the x-axis, canceling out population disparities?

The trendline looks pretty obvious to me. And most of the data points, at least in the second chart, have millions of people in the population and comprise a good number of the western developed countries.

[Munger]

Re: gun sales skyrocketing in US

Anyplace you get a significant population of rednecks, you get a sub-population of racist idiots who want to make the country homogeneous.

Fixed your post.

[Raz]

Re: What's really happening in USA is finally sinking in

Just a few thoughts from the "dead white guys" who wrote the Constitution and founded this nation of ignorant, overweight, uncultured rednecks:



"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334



"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"
-- George Washington



"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
-- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188


"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."


-- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759. And lastly, a word from a true colonial who knew what it was like to live in a police state (although a very mild one, as police states go):


"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest."


-- Mahatma Gandhi

[jtabeb]

Re: gun sales skyrocketing in US

noway ;)

Just jesting, all in good fun!

ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!

[jtabeb]

Re: gun sales skyrocketing in US

You should really read some Hobbes. Maybe you should just realize that people are stupid, and democracy are tyranny.

I think calivn is much funnier.

[jtabeb]

Re: gun sales skyrocketing in US

Great stuff! Confirms what I was thinking.

Yeah, NO SAMPLING error there or anything. You know comparing populations with hundreds of millions to you know, hundreds.

Great chart, I see you failed statistics in high school, non?

[jtabeb]

Re: gun sales skyrocketing in US

And there were some Indians who fought with the cavalry. And some jews helped the nazis. So what? If your position is that islam poses no threat to traditional America then you've been living in a cave for the last 30 years. I speak as someone who has recently had a whole lot of Somali muslims move into his community, at least one of whom has gone back and died in Somalia committing terrorism. Anyplace you get a significant population of muslims, you get a sub-population of islamic fundamentalists who want to make the country muslim.

Yep, I'm a 100% dyed-in-the-wool, anti-muslim bigot. Live with it, "dumass".

Go back to your neo-nazi compound, you accidently wondered into the real world.

Tell you what, why don't you go die (or at least get wounded) for our country, you know, to prove how "patriotic" you are and all. All you have to do is visit your local recuiter, if you are man enough that is. That way you can go "fight the good fight" and kill THEM before the come over here and say join the airforce and become pilots and such!

P.S. look up! no HIGHER, that's me flipping you off from 35,000ft;)

[Raz]

Re: gun sales skyrocketing in US

You had this case with a TV celebrity that were apparently also a gun freak, he was having his apartment full of various gun's, and machine guns, all legal. Of course he was in the paranoid corner one day, and starting firing off, to scare of an imagined intruder. Did not hurt anyone, but that just shows what a mess it is with guns, when you get obsessed about it.

Even gun laws are liberal here, it's extremely rare to own a gun, and you need to go through a lot of training. Extremely rare. Of people between age 20-40, maybe 1 in 10000 , I'm really not sure on the numbers, but gun density is extremely low.

The thing is, if you have a gun and there is a criminal coming at you, and he also have a weapon, and act as a fired up idiot trying to defend his home and family, the risk is much better for a life going down. I consider the criminals life of equal worth. If only one have a gun, then it's much more likely, that the thing will just blow over on itself, as you won't attempt something stupid.

nero3,

This is a perfect example of Humanism at its worst. Only a mind which rejects any moral absolutes and has lost its powers of deductive reasoning could make such a statement. "War is peace, and lies are truth". It's obvious that you have never faced an armed criminal, nor have you had a friend or neighbor callously murdered by one of these "equal worth" criminals.

You are living proof that Liberalism of the Hard-Leftist persuasion is not so much a political philosophy as a mental disorder.

[j4f2h0]

Re: What's really happening in USA is finally sinking in

Every time I have seen some American on TV, maybe teaching their son to use weapon at some weapon learning center. My thought have been that person is crazy, one of those idiots that think the US actually have something to do in Iraq, and probably have a fat, fat wife, overweight children, vote conservative republican, think he have the full right to kill intruders (because paranoia is part of the mindset of someone like that, how could they even judge who to kill) and drive a big car with low mpg stealing all that oil we have in the north sea, with the worthless dollars. Worst is that he might think he represents common sense, while in reality live in a very narrow bubble. Reminds me of the Simpson episode Homer joined some weapon organization. They sure knew how to put it

Everyone in America is a fat, worthless, lazy, SUV driving, environment destroying, consuming parasite? Is this the theme of your statements nero3? If i am missing something please let me know, i would hate to make judgements on incomplete information! Good game nero3 nice play!