Oil at $300

[sadsack]

Re: Oil at $300

Sorry - fail dismally to see how this constitutes an "egregious personal attack".

. . . yada yada . . .

Let me spell it out to you:

It is not wise to regularly insult the intelligence of the other members of these forums. That is what you are doing, whether you see it or not.

[GRG55]

Re: Oil at $300

I am starting to wonder if some of the deterioration in behaviour on iTulip is forshadowing what we can expect in society as a whole, as the stress of this mess expands. People are using the behaviour of others to justify ratcheting down their own standards.

Spoke to a friend in California yesterday. She told me that milk prices are collapsing and three dairy farmers have committed suicide recently [we know a family that are large dairy farmers in that State]. Folks, as hard as this is to swallow, we need to increase the level of civility in our societies to get through this...

[Guest]

Re: Oil at $300

Let me spell it out to you: Yada Yada.

I am reluctant to have you spell much of anything out for me Sadsack. Seem to remember you mentioning you were 27 years old or thereabouts? See, I still remember Sadsack's memorable "he's probably still grappling with the iTulip topography" gem of a comment, (issued with a languid, almost limp-wristed patrician tone :p ). My conclusion then, and it remains unaltered, is that you have a fine and glossy conceit about you. To the manor born, eh? Tough to take etiquette points on the question of conceit, from a twenty something who adopts this sort of varnish in their address.

[politicalfootballfan]

Re: Oil at $300

----nm----

[politicalfootballfan]

Re: Oil at $300

----nm----

[sadsack]

Re: Oil at $300

I am reluctant to have you spell much of anything out for me Sadsack. Seem to remember you mentioning you were 27 years old or thereabouts? See, I still remember Sadsack's memorable "he's probably still grappling with the iTulip topography" gem of a comment, (issued with a languid, almost limp-wristed patrician tone :p ). My conclusion then, and it remains unaltered, is that you have a fine and glossy conceit about you. To the manor born, eh? Tough to take etiquette points on the question of conceit, from a twenty something who adopts this sort of varnish in their address.

Thank you. You have done nothing but confirm PFF's and my judgement of you.

Enjoy your bully pulpit and e-thuggery while you can . . .

Love and kisses,

Sadsack

[Guest]

Re: Oil at $300

I'm a moderate republican, and I find many of your affectations of objectivity to be instead faithful and unimaginative political stereotypes (those who disagree with you for instance you surmise most likely originate from "the left"). I find most of your views way too starchy on the right, yet I'm a moderate conservative. :eek: What hint does that provide of where you are actually situated on the sociopolitical spectrum? Try to climb out of your cookie cutter where everyone who does not fulminate against the welfare state is a rabid Socialist.

There is a whole broad world out there unfettered by party-line cookie cutter notions such as you apparently lean on. The "welfare state" you feel you are regarding with horror is a pale imitation of welfare states in Europe.

Not to mince words, your understanding of what real welfare states are, risks being parochial.

And I'm not "reflecting the general angst of our current world", as GRG professorially surmises. I'm calling to attention the irresistible inclination humans have to elevate themselves to a position from which they begin to believe that they are able to "objectively" observe others, the society which enfolds them, as though you, Politicalfootballfan, were in the laboratory at the clinical bench, and the humanity you (and GRG too) are commenting on is "in the petri-dish" while you are delivering learned comments on it's progress or "pathology" - just as you are now. :p

Too many people here sounding occasionally as though they assume they have the sheer cleverness to put the rest of their country on the lab bench and peer at it in the "petri dish". This is a very large conceit you are flirting with.

The Sadsack kid does this very deftly too. I've read posts of his where he talks commiseratingly about the "yokels" in the backwater part of Texas or Oklahoma (or wherever it is he resides in the midwest), and how their brains would simply go into TILT mode, trying to grasp the "complexity of economic dysfunction" which Sadsack so ably grasps. When I read this type of conceit I cringe. Beware conceits and most of all beware the cultural norms that potentially blinker those curious things you consider "birthrights".

This is presumably where Sadsack concludes I am "insulting of your intelligence". More like an appeal to your intelligence.

American's notions of unbearable Socialism are PALE IMITATIONS of the socialism in many European countries which quite frankly are looking a fair bit more civilized than we are today. Get out some more Politicalfootballfan. Go actually live in a few other countries, especially developing ones. And while you are at it, spend some time in a place like Bangladesh and mull over the very large disparities between what they consider "natural birthrights" and what you consider "birthrights". In a fair and decent world, you'd have the same birthrights they do. Chew on this point. Get to grips with it, in the overcrowded 21st Century, without leaning on political left-right tired nostrums to compartmentalize it.

What a great question.... one that I think you already know the answer to but it was very wise to raise it.

While I would like to believe that individuals currently think for themselves, and therefore determine their own desires, I now know otherwise. I don't believe it was always like this, and I certainly believe that individual can be taught to once again employ independent thought. However, there are many forces at play now that are working against individuality and independent thought...it's a real struggle to regain this god-given privilege.


YES!

This is deliberate, and you will see it mostly from people on the far-left. I spoke of this in another post here, it is a technique that was used in Soviet Russia and is used to create "pressure from below" on the public. The recent injection of $5.2B into ACORN was a tactical move in this direction.

[Guest]

Re: Oil at $300

Politicalfootballfan - your cited comments are there in the record - most definitely, although if I compile them you will engage in rhetorical wriggling exercises worthy of the Beijing Olympics. It's Monday - I can't go foraging around for them. I used to spend time doing this kind of thing at iTulip, digging up people's actual remarks when they contradict themselves and asking them to substantiate.

I discovered that this sort of industry sucks you into a vortex of time spent on iTulip while you neglect your business and your life. I can't do this.

Please be sure you read what I posted which Fred found exception to. No one suggested you give up your American citizenship (evidently when challenged, despite our "horrific socialist state" you still prize it highly). I have not suggested you need to "leave the USA" as you defensively claim.

I have suggested rather that you wake up to the notion thast you, nor I, nor anyone else in this country, really owns ANY birthrights - at least as regards prosperity or freedom, or the pursuit of happiness ANY MORE. Why? Because those Chinese "commies" own our ass, funding enough of the US deficit that your freedoms and your lifestyle are consigned to mothballs purely at their whim.

No exaggeration. The savings and toil of all of these (mostly dirt poor) people, are what underpins whatever is recognizable of our country today. When they yank that credit line, you have few recognizable "American Birthrights". And these people who are your new creditors and therefor effectively your masters, live at a level of life quality which you would find completely and utterly "unacceptable".

I consequently read your trumpeting clarion calls about "birthrights" and suggest you spend some time in one of these places and understand given our nation's profligacy for 30 past years, just how many "birthrights" you really have. Wakey wakey.

Please provide exact quotes from my posts (with links) that support your argument. In advance, I know you will not find such quotes or any such "deposit" of "haughty remarks about the indigent."

The deception is transparent, and this entire line of discussion a waste of everyone's time a a distraction from the primary points of this thread.

Next time you want to disagree with me, then disagree with me and support your argument with something other than simply telling me to leave the country.

[The Bouncer]

Re: Oil at $300

I'm a moderate republican, and I find many of your affectations of objectivity to be instead faithful and unimaginative political stereotypes (those who disagree with you for instance you surmise most likely originate from "the left"). I find most of your views way too starchy on the right, yet I'm a moderate conservative. :eek: What hint does that provide of where you are actually situated on the sociopolitical spectrum? Try to climb out of your cookie cutter where everyone who does not fulminate against the welfare state is a rabid Socialist.

There is a whole broad world out there unfettered by party-line cookie cutter notions such as you apparently lean on. The "welfare state" you feel you are regarding with horror is a pale imitation of welfare states in Europe.

Not to mince words, your understanding of what real welfare states are, risks being parochial.

And I'm not "reflecting the general angst of our current world", as GRG professorially surmises. I'm calling to attention the irresistible inclination humans have to elevate themselves to a position from which they begin to believe that they are able to "objectively" observe others, the society which enfolds them, as though you, Politicalfootballfan, were in the laboratory at the clinical bench, and the humanity you (and GRG too) are commenting on is "in the petri-dish" while you are delivering learned comments on it's progress or "pathology" - just as you are now. :p

Too many people here sounding occasionally as though they assume they have the sheer cleverness to put the rest of their country on the lab bench and peer at it in the "petri dish". This is a very large conceit you are flirting with.

The Sadsack kid does this very deftly too. I've read posts of his where he talks commiseratingly about the "yokels" in the backwater part of Texas or Oklahoma (or wherever it is he resides in the midwest), and how their brains would simply go into TILT mode, trying to grasp the "complexity of economic dysfunction" which Sadsack so ably grasps. When I read this type of conceit I cringe. Beware conceits and most of all beware the cultural norms that potentially blinker those curious things you consider "birthrights".

This is presumably where Sadsack concludes I am "insulting of your intelligence". More like an appeal to your intelligence.

American's notions of unbearable Socialism are PALE IMITATIONS of the socialism in many European countries which quite frankly are looking a fair bit more civilized than we are today. Get out some more Politicalfootballfan. Go actually live in a few other countries, especially developing ones. And while you are at it, spend some time in a place like Bangladesh and mull over the very large disparities between what they consider "natural birthrights" and what you consider "birthrights". In a fair and decent world, you'd have the same birthrights they do. Chew on this point. Get to grips with it, in the overcrowded 21st Century, without leaning on political left-right tired nostrums to compartmentalize it.

New guy here. The market and environment are getting more aggressive and hostile. iTulip's management has decided in response to enforce an even higher standard civility among its members than before. I'm here to enforce this policy.

iTulip rules are now my rules.

Rule #1 at iTulip: Respect your fellow iTulip members.

Rule #2: Argue about ideas not about each other. In an argument, do not talk about the member, do talk about the member's ideas.

Rule #3 at iTulip: Do not argue with The Bouncer.

I don't argue. I don't debate. If you violate my rules you get one warning and it you argue with me I throw you out. That's my job.

That's it. No exceptions.

If you want to know more about me, read my profile: The Bouncer

[WDCRob]

Re: Oil at $300

Just a reminder.

[we_are_toast]

Re: Oil at $300

This is deliberate, and you will see it mostly from people on the far-left. I spoke of this in another post here, it is a technique that was used in Soviet Russia and is used to create "pressure from below" on the public. The recent injection of $5.2B into ACORN was a tactical move in this direction.

I'm having difficulty in finding your repeated reference to the $5.2B appropriation for the ACORN organization. Could you please inform me as to what page of the house bill this is on?

[politicalfootballfan]

----nm----

[politicalfootballfan]

Re: Oil at $300

----nm----

[metalman]

Re: Oil at $300

Awesome !!!

read my profile: The Bouncer

About The Bouncer

Biography

No sense of humor

Location

None of your business

Interests

Kicking ass

Occupation

Kicking ass

very good!

[we_are_toast]

Re: Oil at $300

Link to thread.

No, I've seen where you made this claim before, but I've looked in the house bill and can't find it. Please tell me the specific page in the house bill that appropriates this money to the organization ACORN.