Google Glass - a Confrontation Waiting to Happen

[c1ue]

Re: Google Glass - a Confrontation Waiting to Happen

Of course. Every business you enter has CCTV nowadays and there are camera on the street as well. I'm going to assume they are used to it.

Business premises are generally entered into voluntarily. They also have at least a plausible excuse: protection against shoplifting.

What's the excuse for recording anything/everything/everyone you see?

There are also a number of issues with self-incrimination.

Do you ever exceed the speed limit? Cross the street when the pedestrian walk sign isn't on? Talk on the phone while driving?

[reggie]

Re: Google Glass - a Confrontation Waiting to Happen

Wait for it.... legislation will be adopted to make it a severe crime for hostily removing the glasses, or violently attacking someone wearing these devices. This vector will be shut down, which is why we're seeing it in the media now, well before the release of these glasses.

[radon]

Re: Google Glass - a Confrontation Waiting to Happen

Assault is already a crime in my state.

[radon]

Re: Google Glass - a Confrontation Waiting to Happen

I can come up with as many reasons as Wallmart - police brutality, false accusations, fraud, evidence for criminal and civil proceedings. Everyone including myself is being recorded for the most part anyway. Why should Wallmart or the municipality object to me having my own copy? Self incrimination isn't and issue for me, and because of encryption it is doubtful this will be an issue in the US at least.

Why should I need a reason? Updating my youtube page is fun, its not like you can't find out everything there is to know about someone from Facebook nowadays anyway.

[photon555]

Re: Google Glass - a Confrontation Waiting to Happen

I guess Google has already allocated a sizable amount for campaign contributions to ensure passage of the PEEP bill. The Personal Expectation of Enjoying Privacy bill will, despite its name, actually protect anyone from any civil or criminal penalties for recording any other private citizen. Google, of course, will allow any governmental agency access to the video feeds upon request. If only George Orwell had thought of Glass how much closer we could be to Utopia.

[radon]

Re: Google Glass - a Confrontation Waiting to Happen

The Personal Expectation of Enjoying Privacy bill will, despite its name, actually protect anyone from any civil or criminal penalties for recording any other private citizen.

Which are what exactly? I can already film and take photographs to my hearts content in a public place. These glasses don't don anything I can't do already by leaving my cellphone on record.

What are you worried about?

[Polish_Silver]

making it easier

Which are what exactly? I can already film and take photographs to my hearts content in a public place. These glasses don't don anything I can't do already by leaving my cellphone on record.

What are you worried about?

I don't like the general trend. You can already take pictures/videos with smart phones. GG just makes it easier.

I also don't like Schmidt's attitude: If you need to keep something secret, maybe you shouldn't be doing it.

Has he considered what this means for homo-sexuals, swingers, prostitutes, marijuana users, or many other people engaged illegal or socially stigmatized behaviours? (all of these are legal in some countries, illegal in others, and fall into the category of "victimless crimes")

Our society is supposed to be tolerant and diverse. That means some groups will disapprove of the behavior of others. Privacy prevents that from becoming conflict.

[radon]

Re: making it easier

I don't like the general trend. You can already take pictures/videos with smart phones. GG just makes it easier.

I also don't like Schmidt's attitude: If you need to keep something secret, maybe you shouldn't be doing it.

Is that really his attitude?

If you want privacy you might try going somewhere private. Doing things that are illegal in public will get you shunned or arrested whether google glass exists or not. Nobody is advocating breaking into someones home, which is already illegal by the way, and rifling through their draws to expose their horrific fashion sense.

This entire thing is a red herring feasted upon by Luddites.

[Polish_Silver]

Schmidt on privacy

Is that really his attitude?

If you want privacy you might try going somewhere private. Doing things that are illegal in public will get you shunned or arrested whether google glass exists or not. Nobody is advocating breaking into someones home, which is already illegal by the way, and rifling through their draws to expose their horrific fashion sense.

This entire thing is a red herring feasted upon by Luddites.

“If you have something that you don’t want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn’t be doing it in the first place,” said Eric Schmidt, then Google’s chief executive, in 2009.

Schmidt is not talking about public vs private places, but this brief quote may not represent his thinking. (I hope it does not). People generally do not smoke marijuana in public, except maybe at Woodstock. But GG would make it easier to "catch" someone doing one of these activities and
turn it into a scandal.

Ease of making surreptitious recordings has a significant downside:

record and recognize faces at political protest. ---China will love that

Plant bugs at every publicly accessible location to get dirt on people .

Walk through a home using GG, then sell the information to burglars.

There may be GG2, something so small you could not see it. Then it would be hard to prevent
people from using it to get information about you or your home.

East Germany had to use human beings to gather it's intelligence. A similar state in the future would probably use humans outfitted with latest generation GG.

[radon]

Re: Schmidt on privacy

Schmidt is not talking about public vs private places, but this brief quote may not represent his thinking. (I hope it does not). People generally do not smoke marijuana in public, except maybe at Woodstock. But GG would make it easier to "catch" someone doing one of these activities and
turn it into a scandal.

Ease of making surreptitious recordings has a significant downside:

record and recognize faces at political protest. ---China will love that

Plant bugs at every publicly accessible location to get dirt on people .

Walk through a home using GG, then sell the information to burglars.

There may be GG2, something so small you could not see it. Then it would be hard to prevent
people from using it to get information about you or your home.

East Germany had to use human beings to gather it's intelligence. A similar state in the future would probably use humans outfitted with latest generation GG.

That's a fair point.

[reggie]

Re: Google Glass - a Confrontation Waiting to Happen

Assault is already a crime in my state.

Yup, but being assaulted for photographing someone will take on special penalites. This part of the feedback control loop can't be tampered with. So, the public will be made to internalize these new rules, and to accomplish this, the early perpetrators (hired fake actors or real people - doesn't matter) will be severly penalized, and the media will ensure that that message is adequately communicated to the public. New synapse networks in millions of human brains need to be developed, and that take constant repetitive messaging over time.

[reggie]

Re: making it easier

I don't like the general trend. You can already take pictures/videos with smart phones. GG just makes it easier.

I also don't like Schmidt's attitude: If you need to keep something secret, maybe you shouldn't be doing it.

Has he considered what this means for homo-sexuals, swingers, prostitutes, marijuana users, or many other people engaged illegal or socially stigmatized behaviours? (all of these are legal in some countries, illegal in others, and fall into the category of "victimless crimes")

Our society is supposed to be tolerant and diverse. That means some groups will disapprove of the behavior of others. Privacy prevents that from becoming conflict.

The societal design of the future requires "fusion", both horizontally (amongst peers) and vertically (up thru the power structure of the day). Privacy mitigates such fusion, and defeats much of the societal networked systems under development and deployment for almost 100 years now. The trap is in place, and the masses still think that technology is a democratic force, even though notable scholars such as Russell wrote otherwise quite a few decades ago. I still can't go into any detail on this forum without being ignored or attempts made to discredit the discussion. This entire trajectory says alot about how our tech workers are almost totally corrupted by the so-called elite academic institutions that they attend, who only teach the nuts and bolts of tech without any philosophical or societal context.

[reggie]

Re: Schmidt on privacy

Schmidt is not talking about public vs private places, but this brief quote may not represent his thinking. (I hope it does not). People generally do not smoke marijuana in public, except maybe at Woodstock. But GG would make it easier to "catch" someone doing one of these activities and
turn it into a scandal.

Ease of making surreptitious recordings has a significant downside:

record and recognize faces at political protest. ---China will love that

Plant bugs at every publicly accessible location to get dirt on people .

Walk through a home using GG, then sell the information to burglars.

There may be GG2, something so small you could not see it. Then it would be hard to prevent
people from using it to get information about you or your home.

East Germany had to use human beings to gather it's intelligence. A similar state in the future would probably use humans outfitted with latest generation GG.

Try listening to Tim O'Reilly (O'Reilly Publshing) openly talk about sensors everywhere... he can hardly contain his excitement. Makes one, who understands where this is going, wanna puke. In a face-to-face encounter I asked Tim about the morality of his sales pitch, upon whiich his face turned white and he briefly lost his composure, and then after some silence he replied with a smile, "it'll all turn out in the end". At which time his handler rushed him away. Guess when the ends justify the means everything becomes acceptable, no matter the cost to the rest of us. A lot of "smart" people have been duped this time around.

[Forrest]

Re: Google Glass - a Confrontation Waiting to Happen

I can come up with as many reasons as Wallmart - police brutality, false accusations, fraud, evidence for criminal and civil proceedings. Everyone including myself is being recorded for the most part anyway. Why should Wallmart or the municipality object to me having my own copy? Self incrimination isn't and issue for me, and because of encryption it is doubtful this will be an issue in the US at least.

Why should I need a reason? Updating my youtube page is fun, its not like you can't find out everything there is to know about someone from Facebook nowadays anyway.

Really? I don't have an account with Facebook.

[Polish_Silver]

Re: making it easier

The societal design of the future requires "fusion", both horizontally (amongst peers) and vertically (up thru the power structure of the day). Privacy mitigates such fusion, and defeats much of the societal networked systems under development and deployment for almost 100 years now. . . I still can't go into any detail on this forum without being ignored or attempts made to discredit the discussion. .

Some of us are more conspiracy minded than others. Not getting a response does not mean people have not read or thought about a post. It can mean they couldn't think of anything pertinent to add.