Gun Control Anyone?

[jmdpet]

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A very good short essay on "Unconscious Conspiracies".

Interesting indeed. Still, I wonder if the leaders and funders of the Companies, PACs, Associations, Unions, etc that we have been discussing can be described as "tightly-knit, with a common history". We can follow the money, so why can't we name the puppet masters? Is Karl Rove one of them? Jeffrey Immelt? Koch Brothers? Soros? If not, why not and who is?

[LorenS]

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If that's not enought to get your real agenda passed, you step up the horror of "gun violence" by killing school children. Lather, rinse, repeat until you have enough sheeple screaming for gun control that you can achieve your original desire, which was to disarm the population.

Just keep in mind there are 300 Million basically free people in the nation. Even something that is 1 in 1,000,000 is going to happen fairly often.

I don't think it's necessary to cause things to happen to have "examples" that can be used to inflame the masses.

For one thing "gun free school zones" are a maniac magnet - that in it's self is probably enough to completely explain Sandy Hook. Some of the details are really weird, but weird things do happen, and the press is ignorant to a fault, so many of the claims and reports are the rambling of the ignorant (even the ME seemed to be a dolt).

Cops like to harass motorists for leaving the keys in their car with the engine running - they claim it's inviting crime. Gun free school zones are inviting crime, in exactly the same manner.

Don't get distracted by the details.

Let's put this into perspective. Obama "likes to shoot skeet" and "doesn't want to take away your $5,000 double barreled shotgun". Let's presume this is true. If a psychotic criminal is in your child's elementary school with a brace of double barreled shotguns and a fireman's ax, the staff is entirely unarmed and the police are 10 minutes away - are you OK with this scenario? Are "handguns" "high capacity magazines" or "assault weapons" the problem? Let's go for the gun free nirvana version, the murderer has only a fireman's ax and a machete - are you OK with this?

Do we really make our kids safer by disarming the teachers and everyone living within 333 yards of the school? Do we really make our kids safer by limiting magazines to 10 rounds and making plastic handles and muzzle brakes on guns illegal?

Don't fall for the bait to get stuck in irrelevant details.

[bart]

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Interesting indeed. Still, I wonder if the leaders and funders of the Companies, PACs, Associations, Unions, etc that we have been discussing can be described as "tightly-knit, with a common history". We can follow the money, so why can't we name the puppet masters? Is Karl Rove one of them? Jeffrey Immelt? Koch Brothers? Soros? If not, why not and who is?

What do you think?

Are there no commonality groups amongst the politicians in DC or Brussels or Beijing, or the bankers, or the CEOs and boards of large corporations?

[shiny!]

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Interesting indeed. Still, I wonder if the leaders and funders of the Companies, PACs, Associations, Unions, etc that we have been discussing can be described as "tightly-knit, with a common history". We can follow the money, so why can't we name the puppet masters? Is Karl Rove one of them? Jeffrey Immelt? Koch Brothers? Soros? If not, why not and who is?

I was thinking more on the level of George Soros. People with enough money to influence corporations and governments, but extremely private. If you see them on the news they probably aren't the ones. And Bart's article makes a lot of sense. Joss Whedon has said that the best way to write a villian character is to understand that the villian never thinks of himself as a villian. He always sees himself as the hero of the story.

[jmdpet]

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I was thinking more on the level of George Soros. People with enough money to influence corporations and governments, but extremely private. If you see them on the news they probably aren't the ones. And Bart's article makes a lot of sense. Joss Whedon has said that the best way to write a villian character is to understand that the villian never thinks of himself as a villian. He always sees himself as the hero of the story.

Soros was on Bloomberg as recently as Jan 25th 2013:

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/billi...TQwXupFuA.html

and on CNBC the day before:

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000143490

So it's probably not him.

Someone else from the Forbes list? http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/

[Polish_Silver]

Who's pulling strings? Billderbergers?

I was thinking more on the level of George Soros. People with enough money to influence corporations and governments, but extremely private. If you see them on the news they probably aren't the ones. And Bart's article makes a lot of sense. Joss Whedon has said that the best way to write a villian character is to understand that the villian never thinks of himself as a villian. He always sees himself as the hero of the story.

What about something like the Bilderbergers? I don't have a firm opinion on that, one way or the other. I know very little about them.

But some things really make me scratch my head.

Like the way the Euro was set up.

Just looking at it you could predict it was going to precipitate a debt crisis, the "solution" for which is fiscal and tax consolidation all over europe, essentially making the national governments merely symbolic. Don't the Bilderbergers want a global government, and isn't europe the obvious place to start?

And the EU is very undemocratic. The power is held primarily by the European Council, whose members are appointed, not elected.

How could you predict the Euro would create a debt crisis? I am using Martin Armstrong here. The banks were required to treat all sovereign debt equally, and treat it as a secure asset. That meant that interest rates could not reflect the risk levels of the various governments. So there was no constraint on the debts governments could pile up. They had various fiscal rules, but the enforcement was never followed through on--so the abuses just got bigger and bigger. All of this could be just incompetence. But it's incompetence that works toward global governance.

The politicians who created the euro were not economists. But they had access to top flight economists, who could have foreseen this mess.

[jmdpet]

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What do you think?

Are there no commonality groups amongst the politicians in DC or Brussels or Beijing, or the bankers, or the CEOs and boards of large corporations?

Do I think that wealthy and influential people get together at events like Davos to practice "it takes money to make money" and "it's not what you know, it's WHO you know"? Do I think that fishy stuff has happened related to mortgages, banks, AIG and whathaveyou due to cosy relationships between govt and business? Absolutely. I don't think, however, that there are breakout sessions at Davos on "disarming the population" or "false flag operations involving school kids".

[bart]

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... Joss Whedon has said that the best way to write a villian character is to understand that the villian never thinks of himself as a villian. He always sees himself as the hero of the story.

That's also a charactertistic common amongst psychopaths. They almost literally can't be wrong, it would destroy them.

[bart]

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I don't think, however, that there are breakout sessions at Davos on "disarming the population" or "false flag
operations involving school kids".

Neither do I... and the law of unintended consequences applies too, as well as "unconscious conspiracies".

This too:
"Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence."
-- Napoleon Bonaparte

False flag operations very much do exist though, and throughout recorded history.


And they don't call it "disarming the population", but do call it many other things like "save the children".



Other thoughts:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1755

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
-- Benjamin Franklin

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance or conscientious stupidity."
-- Martin Luther King Jr.

[jmdpet]

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Neither do I... and the law of unintended consequences applies too, as well as "unconscious conspiracies".

This too:
"Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence."
-- Napoleon Bonaparte

Exactly.

Also:

"We are prone to overestimate how much we understand about the world and to underestimate the role of chance in events."
-- Daniel Kahneman

False flag operations very much do exist though, and throughout recorded history.

No argument there. I happen to think there isn't evidence to suggest that the Sandy Hook tragedy was the result of one and that's it's perhaps insensitive to suggest it was.

[Onlooker]

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Do we really make our kids safer by disarming the teachers and everyone living within 333 yards of the school? Do we really make our kids safer by limiting magazines to 10 rounds and making plastic handles and muzzle brakes on guns illegal?

Don't fall for the bait to get stuck in irrelevant details.

You hit it out the park again, Loren. It's really pretty simple when you boil it down. Only those who can't think past their knee-jerk reactions and emotions, or those with a different agenda, can't seem to get it.

[shiny!]

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Exactly.

Also:

"We are prone to overestimate how much we understand about the world and to underestimate the role of chance in events."
-- Daniel Kahneman



No argument there. I happen to think there isn't evidence to suggest that the Sandy Hook tragedy was the result of one and that's it's perhaps insensitive to suggest it was.

Did you look at the videos I linked to the interviews of grieving relatives? A father grinning ear to ear and laughing, then composing a "sad face" before addressing the cameras? People crying without shedding any tears? I have never seen so many grieving people look so happy. I've never seen even one grieving person look so happy. Those interviews were staged. I'd bet money on it. How could such a thing be orchestrated? I have no idea. But those interviews do not look real.

[bart]

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Exactly.

Also:

"We are prone to overestimate how much we understand about the world and to underestimate the role of chance in events."
-- Daniel Kahneman

I'm not a big believer in chance, but point taken.

No argument there. I happen to think there isn't evidence to suggest that the Sandy Hook tragedy was the result of one and that's it's perhaps insensitive to suggest it was.

Fair enough and understood.

The one thing I do know is that I don't know with 100% certainty, much like 9/11 or the Kennedy assassination or Pearl Harbor - and many more, some that have been proven and exposed as not having been conspiracies (like the Pueblo incident or what was in the Pentagon Papers, even MKUltra).

Governments and psychotics etc. throughout history have done some massively evil stuff, most even with apparent "justification"... and please note that I'm not accusing anyone of nefarious actions or motives about Sandy Hook - on either side.

[BadJuju]

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Exactly.

Also:

"We are prone to overestimate how much we understand about the world and to underestimate the role of chance in events."
-- Daniel Kahneman

I kind of think of it being like an avalanche. People acting in the interest of themselves, their friends, and businesses and doing these little unethical things that are not a big deal in the grand scheme of things; however, it is the sheer volume of unethical actions taking place that leads to catastrophe.

[bart]

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Originally Posted by LorenS
Do we really make our kids safer by disarming the teachers and everyone living within 333 yards of the school? Do we really make our kids safer by limiting magazines to 10 rounds and making plastic handles and muzzle brakes on guns illegal?

Don't fall for the bait to get stuck in irrelevant details.

Save the whales!!!... collect the entire set...

(headed for cage, after humor attempt ;-)