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    "By making ITT a part of my portfolio I'm also investing in America's future."





    Colleges for Profit Are Growing, With Federal Help

    By FLOYD NORRIS

    There are a lot of government subsidies, and in the current fiscal atmosphere many are shrinking by necessity. What appears to be lacking is any rational way of deciding which should shrink.

    The volume of federally guaranteed student loans to students at so-called proprietary colleges — the ones that intend to operate at a profit and get nearly all their revenue from the government — continues to grow.

    At the same time, state and local governments across the country are slashing spending on higher education, and community colleges — the ones most likely to offer alternatives to the students recruited by the far more expensive proprietary schools — are suffering some of the largest reductions.

    That trend has been welcome news to the proprietary colleges. “The competitive landscape” is getting better, Kevin M. Modany, the chief executive of ITT Educational Services, one of the larger for-profit colleges, told analysts this year.

    “When you look at what’s going on right now from a community college perspective,” he said, “we’re seeing a lot of state budgets being constrained. We’re seeing dollars being pulled from their budgets and they’re really capped in terms of their enrollment opportunities.”

    ITT Educational, on the other hand, opened four new campuses in the first three months of this year, raising its total to 148 locations in 48 states. It expects to open at least four more later this year. It has 71,000 students enrolled.

    In Washington, the Obama administration has been trying to write rules that would stop loans going to students at the most exploitative of the schools, ones whose students are most likely to default on the loans and least likely to get jobs if they graduate. The Department of Education is expected to announce within a few weeks which programs at which schools are failing, but that determination will have little immediate impact. The earliest that any school will lose financing is 2014.

    ITT Educational Services, which runs ITT Technical Institute, used to be part of the international phone company known as ITT, but it was spun off years ago. It issues associate’s and bachelor’s degrees, and even some master’s degrees. Its shares trade on the New York Stock Exchange and it advertises heavily.

    I got interested in ITT Tech after I watched one of its commercials, full of promise of bright career opportunities for students who sign up. At the end of the commercial, the following words flashed on the screen, in small type and for only a few seconds:
    “Credits earned are unlikely to transfer.”

    If you enroll in a public community college and get a two-year associate degree, you can almost certainly transfer to a four-year college and complete your bachelor’s degree in two more years. If you drop out, as many do, you can return to the same or another college years later and complete a degree. But it appears that ITT Tech students are stuck. ITT Tech will award degrees to students who complete enough classes, but any student who wants to transfer will probably have to start over.
    How many students who enroll at ITT Tech go on to get a degree?

    That sounds like a simple question, but it is not one that ITT Educational wants to answer.

    The company does disclose a lot of numbers. But many of those numbers are not very useful. From the Web site, I learned that half the students who earn associate’s degrees in business administration do so within the normal period, while the other half take longer. For that two-year diploma, I learned that they pay an average of $48,000 in tuition and fees. Similar numbers are available for the myriad other programs ITT Tech offers. But there are no hints as to how many students actually get degrees, or how many drop out. The company would not provide any overall figures.

    It did, however, point me to a government Web site that lets you check graduation rates campus by campus. Some of ITT Tech’s campuses had no information available, but the headquarters location in Indianapolis said that 16 percent of students who entered the school in 2004 earned degrees within three years of enrolling in associate degree programs or six years of enrolling in bachelor’s degree programs. In the fall of 2010, the Indianapolis campus had 7,619 undergraduate students. By the end of that school year, it had awarded 538 associate’s and 336 bachelor’s degrees. Last year, ITT Educational had revenue of $1.5 billion, of which 89 percent came directly from the government through grants and loans. Some of that money came from states, but a large majority came from Uncle Sam. Students and their parents put up about 4 percent, and 7 percent came from nongovernment loans.

    Raising that 7 percent has been an issue. Last year, the company was able to arrange such nongovernment guaranteed loans by promising lenders it would repay the loans if the students did not. This year it could not renew that arrangement and is having to finance the loans itself. In effect, that means it gets less than full tuition from some students, with a promise they will pay the money later.

    ITT Educational has impressive profit margins. In 2009 and 2010, pretax profits exceeded what it spent on educating students. Even in this year’s first quarter, when revenue and profits were off from a year earlier, pretax profit amounted to just under 30 percent of revenue.

    The decline in earnings did not slow the flow of money to shareholders. During those three months, the company spent $135 million on education costs and paid nearly $147 million to buy back shares. Those education expenses were down 2 percent from a year earlier, while spending on share buybacks rose 5 percent. Marketing costs were up 6 percent.

    All those profits would dry up and vanish were government support to wither away, but so far there is little sign of that. In the 2010-11 academic year, the government guaranteed nearly $24 billion in loans to students at proprietary schools and provided almost $9 billion more in grants. All that money went to the schools.

    Critics of the schools say that many students, even those who graduate, are unable to earn enough to repay the loans. Students who attend such colleges are far more likely to default on their loans than are students who attend other types of schools.

    It is far from clear whether the Obama administration’s effort to cut off loans to particularly unsuccessful schools will have much impact, or even if it will happen. A trade group of proprietary schools has filed suit to halt the rule, calling it an unjustified “regulatory excess.”

    That group used to be called the Career College Association, but it changed its name to the Association of Private Sector Colleges and Universities and proudly proclaims that “the market” has determined the success of its members. If so, it is a market in which the government pays nearly all the bills but leaves students with debts many cannot pay.

    Whatever the case used to be for subsidizing these highly profitable companies, it ought to be a lot less compelling now when the country is slashing subsidies for other types of schools — ones that generally do a better job for their students but that spend far less on lobbyists.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/25/bu...1&ref=business



  • #2
    Re: Hampster Wheel of Higher Ed-U-Kation

    The reader comments make clear how exhausted the public is with this sh#t. That "subprime education" has made it into the lexicon says it all.

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    • #3
      Re: Hampster Wheel of Higher Ed-U-Kation

      Originally posted by Thailandnotes View Post
      The reader comments make clear how exhausted the public is with this sh#t. That "subprime education" has made it into the lexicon says it all.
      Did I miss the Starter Degree and the Fixer Upper?

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        A few years ago we decided to try hiring local ITT grads as CAD drafters in my engineering department. Disaster.

        These young people holding a 2-year ITT diploma displayed skills no more than one can get in a couple bad AutoCAD seminars, and as I recall they had paid $40K in tuition for their "education". They were sitting next to young people with full 4-year engineering degrees from Ohio State who had paid much less tuition.

        The cost / benefit at ITT was so bad that the school seemed to function as a self-selection filter for morons. The few we hired were irredeemable, untrainable and quickly let go.

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          Re: Hampster Wheel of Higher Ed-U-Kation

          Originally posted by don View Post
          Did I miss the Starter Degree and the Fixer Upper?
          U Idaho already markets the B.A. in Art as a Starter Degree.

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          • #6
            Re: Hampster Wheel of Higher Ed-U-Kation

            Once pitched the founder of University of Phoenix, a former professor at San Jose State, who migrated from a low 6-figure salary to multi-billionare
            The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge ~D Boorstin

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              Re: Hampster Wheel of Higher Ed-U-Kation

              A number of us have been posting for a few years about the higher education bubble in the US.

              But I don't recall anyone really sticking their neck out to posit some possible outcomes, unless I missed or forgot them.

              I used to think that higher education stroking out due to cost inflation, negative return on educational investment, and long-term high unemployment would result in a bailout.

              A bailout much like the RE/banking bailout......bailout mostly targeting banks not borrowers...so a bailout targeting institutions rather than graduates(on the hook with non default loans).

              Maybe with a Manhattan Project/Apollo Moon shot like wrapper of alternative energy and/or ultra energy efficiency focus.

              Alt energy seems to have gone stale..so maybe ultra energy efficiency focus?

              How to do more or the same with much less?

              Quite frankly, I'm stunned we haven't seen more higher education school systems closure and consolidation.

              Maybe I figured it would happen too soon, after all.....the immediate action drill for existing students and un/underemployed in tough economic times is to stay in school or go back to school.

              But the ability to sustain that surely can't go on forever.

              I wonder what the warning signs will be? Here's a few possibilities:

              *Cuts in programs/departments that offer the worst negative return on education dollar invested
              *Cuts in non core staff at schools
              *Cuts in services
              *Increases in fees
              *Schools maybe trying to sell/leaseback facilities
              *Drop in applications
              *Drop in % of applicants accepted who actually enroll

              It will also be interesting to see who suffers first/most.

              Will it be bottom tier schools?

              Will it be near top tier schools, JUST off the really big brands like the Ivys/MIT/CalTech?

              Will very high value for dollar schools and programs see a surge in applications?

              Very much interested in seeing how this plays out.

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                Re: Hampster Wheel of Higher Ed-U-Kation

                Originally posted by lakedaemonian View Post
                Quite frankly, I'm stunned we haven't seen more higher education school systems closure and consolidation..
                Well, I think we need a discussion directed at uncovering the social goals of these insititutions before we can start to discuss their future.
                The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge ~D Boorstin

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                  Re: Hampster Wheel of Higher Ed-U-Kation

                  Originally posted by reggie View Post
                  Well, I think we need a discussion directed at uncovering the social goals of these insititutions before we can start to discuss their future.
                  You reckon?

                  Such as?

                  The only thing I'm picking up on is a fast growing class of young adults who've volunteered to become debt serfs...and whose prospect of buying new cars and buying the homes of downsizing babyboomers are collapsing by the day.

                  I keep thinking about that Freakanomics statistic about how crime reduced noticeably 20 years after legalizing abortion....or some such.

                  I'm now thinking about the durable goods, cars, and homes that will NOT be purchased in 5-10-15-20 years time because of the student debt incurred today.

                  Assuming no change at all to the current higher education system with it's often negative return on education dollar invested(although I can't imagine that being sustainable), how much of an impact will this have on the US economy in 10-20 years time?

                  Isn't higher education in the US much like Detroit in 2005+ pulling in future sales to prop up needed sales today...leaving a huge void in the near future...and a collapse in US car sales as covered in iTulip.

                  Will we not see an "echo crash" in durable goods, car, and home sales with a trillion in government backed non-default education debt?

                  Is that higher education mess factored into Janszen Scenario (KaBoom Theory)?

                  Is it just a pimple on the elephant sized problem......or is it quite serious enough to have a look at it seperately? Could this specific problem that already exists have a magnifying effect on KaBoom?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Hampster Wheel of Higher Ed-U-Kation

                    Originally posted by lakedaemonian View Post
                    I wonder what the warning signs will be? Here's a few possibilities:

                    *Cuts in programs/departments that offer the worst negative return on education dollar invested
                    *Cuts in non core staff at schools
                    *Cuts in services
                    *Increases in fees
                    *Schools maybe trying to sell/leaseback facilities
                    *Drop in applications
                    *Drop in % of applicants accepted who actually enroll

                    It will also be interesting to see who suffers first/most.

                    Will it be bottom tier schools?

                    Will it be near top tier schools, JUST off the really big brands like the Ivys/MIT/CalTech?

                    Will very high value for dollar schools and programs see a surge in applications?

                    Very much interested in seeing how this plays out.
                    There's a pretty good college ROI graph for the states here.

                    It doesn't have the for profit schools on it though.

                    For-Profits are indeed a subprime education. There is a reason that they did not exist for three hundred years. If private loans were dischargeable in bankruptcy, they would drop enrollment and straighten up fast. Lenders would be more cautious, or cease lending entirely. If government also stopped giving them student loan money, they could put them under straight away. It's now a lobbying game for them.

                    The arms race in prime higher education starts from a construction standpoint.

                    When the building stops, the game is over. The building has not stopped. Expand or die. Just like Rome.

                    But the timing is not obvious. To be clear, no bubble in higher ed can pop whilst unemployment is high. People need something to do when there are no jobs. School is it. Unemployment and education track each other. Many states offer tuition waivers for those on unemployment, so this should be expected.



                    The just-off ivies will be fine. They still offer a good reputation and ROI. Higher Ed is very much hierarchical. The ones at the bottom will suffer first. Off-brand art schools too.

                    All-in-all, anywhere with a low ROI should suffer in a clear market.

                    But it takes people a while to see through marketing schemes.

                    I'll tell you something else. You're probably empirically better off majoring in basket weaving than business administration or clinical psychology at this point. Particularly if you don't go to grad school. At least then you'll know how to make baskets.



                    ROI will continue to get worse overall. It won't get worse because of a poorer quality of education. It will get worse because of poor trade arrangements and general income inequality baked into the tax code to punish the middle class.

                    This has been going on for some time. Expect it to accelerate as the numbers come in for the next decade. Expect it to accelerate quickly. For the class graduating this week, I expect real earnings to be in the 40s for the first time. It will be some years before the numbers are in.



                    Speaking of the sex/education gap, the pink line here should drop if a bubble's going to burst:




                    These lines should all pick up if people truly do become price conscious:



                    All-in-all, science and engineering majors who actually learn something (outside of biology and life sciences), meaning they don't go to a subprime school, should be okay and making decent money for the foreseeable future.

                    For everyone else it's a roll of the dice. But it's still a roll of the dice you're more likely to win than lose - at least at the public 4-years and better private schools.

                    Most public 4-years have a decent ROI regardless of major.

                    It's still worth it.

                    But the industry that has grown around putting commercials on during day-time TV to catch those who could not test in to the public 4-years will continue to be a drag on the entire concept of higher education.

                    And student loans will be a problem. And a growing one. But I think it's worth looking at the student loan problem in a larger context. When you do, I think it becomes obvious that any bubble there may be in higher education is nowhere near ready to pop yet.



                    My guess is that millennials will have the dubious honor of being the first generation to grow up in an outright banana republic. So the higher-education indebtedness is just a symptom, not a disease. The goal is the elimination of the middle class.

                    The financial-lords won't much care what the kids do as long as they are indebted, jobless, and broke. So school's a good option. Keep them busy. Charge them interest.

                    Reopen debtor's prisons. Never allow bankruptcy. These will be the real warning signs. And they've already happened. But things can get worse.

                    More and more punitive measures for those who default on student loans will be called for. By 2005 they made it impossible to discharge them in bankruptcy, but wages were now free to garnish. We can probably increase the garnishment rate to 25% or 30%, right? We can probably withhold social security entirely instead of garnishing it. We can throw debtors behind bars in federal prisons for the first time. We can change the standard student loan term from 10 to 30 years. Then we can triple the debt.

                    You can always rile-up the half of the population paying on time to get angry at the good-for-nothings who don't. Then get them to vote to torture the other half.

                    Look how easily they've split the public between those who hate teachers and those who hate antique store owners. It's public sector vs. private sector, right? Fire all the cops and firemen and the antique store owner will suddenly be rich, right?

                    The young are good for nothing anyways these days, right? I mean, look at their stupid marches. They're entitled. They don't want to work for a living. Punish them.



                    So this is how it will go. Financial firms will lobby to torture those with student debt more. They will lobby to "give" them more debt. Lobby to waterboard those who are three-months late on student loans. Let the IRS garnish their limbs. So long as Jamie "Diamond" Dimon can have another three billion, nothing else matters.

                    Oh, and drop a million in the campaign account while you're at it.

                    It's a brave new world.
                    Last edited by dcarrigg; May 29, 2012, 10:07 AM.

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