FDA may let patients buy drugs without prescriptions

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Re: FDA may let patients buy drugs without prescriptions

D&G, it's been my experience that if someone is determined to have a bad opinion of me, there is nothing I can say to change their mind. That seems to be the case here. We've all seen threads degenerate into back-and-forth of one-upmanship between two members, where the original subject is lost and both members end up looking petty and foolish. If I may suggest: Rise above it and don't go down that path.

Your posts have become one of the things I most look forward to every time I login at iTulip. Keep sharing your knowledge and unique perspective with us, rather than wasting your time arguing with someone who doesn't like you.

As Dorothy Parker said: "I don't care what anyone says about me, as long as it isn't true."

[jk]

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anyone here consider posting something relevant to the thread? i still say the whole proposal has nothing to do with autonomy, self-direction, individual responsibility, etc. those arguments are just for show. it's all about saving money for the insurance companies. period. [they're part of the I in FIRE, remember.]

[dcarrigg]

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anyone here consider posting something relevant to the thread? i still say the whole proposal has nothing to do with autonomy, self-direction, individual responsibility, etc. those arguments are just for show. it's all about saving money for the insurance companies. period. [they're part of the I in FIRE, remember.]

I can also see the obvious upside for pharmaceutical companies and pharmacy chains.

[leegs]

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And Advertising companies

[cindykimlisa]

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Let's get this straight. In one sentence you criticize someone for commenting on how he perceives your beliefs without really knowing them and then in the next sentence you claim to know how his wife feels about his personality?

How could you possibly post this without realizing the comical level of hypocrisy you are displaying?

There is no hypocrisy. I don't know his wife. If you check out his wife's theoretical response and my response you will see I am going with her response. Seems like she is on board with him.

[doom&gloom]

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Cindy,

Seriously, all of this makes no sense.

We are of two polar opposites regarding government intrusion in our lives. I want far far less, you seem to like what we have and possibly embrace the idea of more.

I highly doubt we will ever agree on this issue whatsoever.

As one who ran a business in the past in the multi-mullion dollar per year level, and had to deal with four state agencies plus the feds, I can tell you that while some of those government people had their act together, there were also plenty who had NO CLUE how to make a common sense decision or answer a question. The greater and more costly the leviaton, the less control you as a taxpayer have over the system. The system grows to where you are not it's prime concern, but self-preservation becomes it's over-reaching mission.

Look at the state of CA, or for that matter many other states that are deep in the budget hole. Why is that? Short answer -- they promised far too much into the future, the future has now arrived, and the money is not here. all those bennies promised state employees, all those pensions, have to be subsiized by many who are working for far less than the level retirees will get with the pensions promised. The leviaton does not want to re-negotiate with those workers, they want YOU to pick up the tab. You are not a voting block, but all the retired and current state workers are, and very well organized as well.

All THIS: http://www.pensiontsunami.com/ has come about becuase the people of this nation have bought into the idea that bigger government is better government and more government will keep us safe. hardly. It just perpetuates itself. Public benefit is no longer the prime concern, and it hasn't been for a very long time.

Ask yourself WHY, when you hear Gov. Gerry Brown, or some other governor whining about a lack of funds, you never hear about all these pension and bennie costs? In CA Gerry WAS the PROBLEM who created the current mess we are in. I find it particularly funny he is now tasked with fixing his own mess, and all he can do is whine for more tax dollars.

[lektrode]

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never mind lawyers...

[lektrode]

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even funnier that he listened to his econ advisers telling him, like the rest of em in the 'optimist' camp (the DNC)
that "things are lookin up"....

whooops!!! there it IS:

Brown Warns Californians: Taxes or Cuts


California Gov. Jerry Brown laid out a revised budget plan that relies on deeper spending cuts and higher taxes to bridge a projected state deficit that has widened to $15.7 billion from $9.2 million since January.

The Democratic governor said Monday he had no choice but to cut even deeper into social services to help close a budget gap that has shot up due to lower-than-expected tax revenue and delays in spending cuts. Mr. Brown proposes to nearly double spending cuts to $8.3 billion for fiscal-year 2012-13 from a January estimate ...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...523181248.html
rest of it behind the turnstyle...

whoda thunk it....

[dcarrigg]

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Not to interject myself into an argument, but I think it's worth pointing out that pension promises were made pre ZIRP. A 6% - 8% annualized return was reasonable when a lot of these arrangements were initially conceived. It no longer is reasonable. To point the pension crisis finger anywhere but at the Fed, in most circumstances, is probably incorrect.

[doom&gloom]

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Not to interject myself into an argument, but I think it's worth pointing out that pension promises were made pre ZIRP. A 6% - 8% annualized return was reasonable when a lot of these arrangements were initially conceived. It no longer is reasonable. To point the pension crisis finger anywhere but at the Fed, in most circumstances, is probably incorrect.

Actually, the idea of taxpayers being on the hook for a 'defined benefit' to state workers is ridiculous. The money should be distributed to the unions, and the stae workers should be in charge of it. Saddling the taxpayers for bad investment decisions or a bad investment climate is just unfair as all get out. The unions wanted, and got, everything -- high bennies, and a taxpayer on the hook if it all went wrong. Something is seriously wrong with that picture. In addition, state governments have been able to 'borrow' from pension funds, something that should never have been allowed either.

[lektrode]

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ZIRP is doing enuf damage, but the real issue, on the state pensions, esp = The High Three scam
you know, the one that goes something like this:
for most of the first 1/2 or 3/4 of the low-mid level workers career, they made say 40k (tops)
they didnt rock the boat, showed up, did enuf to keep from drawing any attention
then, almost magically, in the last few years, get a promotion (or triple the overtime they ever got prev)
that triples their pay - for their last 3 years and VOILA!!!

what happens?

they get a pension - A PENSION that bases its payout on - SURPRISE! the final 3 years of work - that pays them more, typically Waaaaaay MORE than they ever made for most of their time 'working' for the .gov

we get a bunch of them out here.... (and i wont even get into what team they typically play for...)

[cindykimlisa]

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Cindy,

Seriously, all of this makes no sense.

We are of two polar opposites regarding government intrusion in our lives. I want far far less, you seem to like what we have and possibly embrace the idea of more.

I highly doubt we will ever agree on this issue whatsoever.

As one who ran a business in the past in the multi-mullion dollar per year level, and had to deal with four state agencies plus the feds, I can tell you that while some of those government people had their act together, there were also plenty who had NO CLUE how to make a common sense decision or answer a question. The greater and more costly the leviaton, the less control you as a taxp

Lets get a few things straight here Doom

I am Wayne and not Cindy

We are not polar opposites, in fact all the Business stuff youre spouting is nearly the precise experience I have had.

I do not want or desire excess government intervention as you suppose

I do not want more than we have: less and a lot less will be fine by me

I have run many multimillion dollar businesses myself and many were regulated by Securities laws, HUD and many many other government agencies.

What I am saying that we seemingly disagree on is that some people (obviously not you) might be better off to have some blood and doctor consultations done when they take drugs now. That is good common sense for me and not good common sense for you.

Somehow you have insisted on jumping to a lot of bizarre conclusions about what I am saying.

What I said earlier stands and I am going with your wifes theoretical response.

I know you have to have the last word on this so I can not wait to hear it!

[doom&gloom]

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Cindy? Wayne?

is this an identity crisis?

[jiimbergin]

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Cindy? Wayne?

is this an identity crisis?

after realizing he was a man a while ago, I assumed that Cindy, Kim and Lisa were his daughters, or wife and daughters.

[rogermexico]

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anyone here consider posting something relevant to the thread? i still say the whole proposal has nothing to do with autonomy, self-direction, individual responsibility, etc. those arguments are just for show. it's all about saving money for the insurance companies. period. [they're part of the I in FIRE, remember.]

The motivation for insurance companies supporting it may be pecuniary, but it's still a great idea for other reasons. Having to visit a physician to get a script, or worse yet, be charged as if you had when you only saw a nurse, is asinine.