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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/f...ches-coma.html

    Fitch doubts Dutch AAA as property slump reaches 'coma'
    Fitch Ratings has issued the clearest warning to date that Holland faces losing its AAA rating if it fails to deliver austerity cuts or lets political conflict intrude on economic management.

    "The Dutch are on the edge of a negative rating action," said Chris Pryce, Fitch’s expert on the Netherlands. The first move is likely to be a switch from stable to negative outlook rather than a full downgrade.

    "We will hold a rating committee meeting in June. They run risks if they keep letting debt rise: a cautious approach would be advisable," he told the Telegraph.

    The warning comes as Dutch property tips into deeper slump, with the inventory of unsold homes nearing South European levels. Household debt is the eurozone’s highest at 249pc of income, compared with 202pc in Ireland, 149pc in the UK, 124pc in Spain, 90pc in Germany, 78pc in France and 66pc in Italy - according to Eurostat data from 2010.

    The Netherlands is caught in a "negative feedback-loop" as recession and house price falls feed on each other. Building permits have dropped 9pc from a year ago, the lowest since 1953. "The housing market is in a coma," said the Volkskrant newspaper.

    Maarten van der Molen from Rabobank said home prices have fallen 11pc from their peak in August 2008, or 15pc in real terms, leaving up to 500,000 people in negative equity.

    "We expect prices to drop 5pc in 2012," he said. The Dutch real estate federation NVM said the picture could be significantly worse if the stamp tax holiday expires in July as planned, leading to a jump from 2pc to 6pc.

    The stock of unsold properties has doubled to 221,000 since 2008 as "Te Koop" signs proliferate on Dutch streets, almost double the declared level in the US on a per capita basis. Low unemployment (4.9pc) has kept arrears below Irish, UK or US rates, but job loses are creeping up.

    The economic woes are infecting state debt dynamics. Public debt will climb to 76pc of GDP by 2015, according to the official Bureau for Economic Policy Analysis (CPB). A €32bn bail-out of ABN Amro Bank has not helped but the chief cause is back-to-back recessions.

    Central bank governor Klaas Knot said Dutch borrowing costs would rise by 100 basis points if the country loses its AAA, warning that Holland does not have safe-haven status like the US and risks "losing the confidence" of investors if it pushes its luck.

    The Netherlands has been a vocal critic of fiscal excess in Greece but is now in breach of EU rules itself, an unexpected casualty of the eurozone’s contractionary policy mix. Critics cite the troubles in Holland - and Belgium - as evidence that the European Central Bank has been too tight, asphyxiating credit for the whole bloc. The M3 money supply contracted over the winter on a month-to-month basis.

    Premier Mark Rutte is struggling to put together an austerity package before a deadline this week but he relies on support from populist leader Geert Wilders, who has threatened walk out of talks. His Freedom Party calls for a return to the guilder.

    Mr Rutte aims to cut the deficit from 4.6pc to 3pc of GDP, though the official CPB said it would be unwise to treat the EU target as the "Holy Grail" of 3pc regardless of circumstances. "This could have a detrimental effect on the economy," it said.

    The International Monetary Fund has also urged caution, saying "automatic stabilizers ought to be unhindered". It warned that excessive tightening could itself "endanger financial stability".

    Hans Wijers, head of the chemicals group AkzoNobel, said it was more important to hold the fragile coalition together than precipitate chaos by trying to meet an abstract target. "Nobody wants a crisis and new elections right now," he said.

    The central bank said in its Financial Stability Report that the country faces a nasty mix of problems. "The outlook for financial stability in the Netherlands is worrying. Dutch households have almost the highest debt in the world. Declining real wages and rising unemployment are putting pressure on incomes. The steady fall in house prices is weakening their position while also increasing the likelihood of debt problems."

    The report said credit outgrew the deposit base of lenders during the property bubble, leaving banks dependent on fickle capital markets. "Short-term funding may dry up overnight, as in 2008 when the interbank market stalled and again in the summer of 2011. A drop in house prices will compromise the issue of mortgage-covered bonds, while significant loan losses may lead to margin calls by the owners of such bonds," it said.

    The regulator said Dutch pension funds are deeply underwater. They need €90bn in extra funding to meet future obligations, and $200bn to restore buffers.

    Critics say Holland’s policy of full tax deductability on mortgages as well as loan-to-value caps of 112pc (with stamp tax) encouraged a debt spree along Anglo-Saxon lines. The country has less monetary flexibility to cope with the consequences, though it has other strengths.

    Fitch Ratings said the Netherlands has the cushion of a current account surplus above 7pc of GDP and a history of credible governments. "The country has been run for a long time by sensible parties and this allows us to be a bit more generous."

    "Geert Wilders has not been irresponsible in fiscal policy, but if a situation arises where his presence is no longer compatible with stable government, we would expect the other parties to draw the proper conclusions," said Mr Pryce.

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    Re: Fitch doubts Dutch AAA as property slump reaches 'coma'

    I can add some personal observations to this piece:

    There's a (relatively) huge residential real estate bubble, where more than half of all mortgages are 'interest-only' with 106-112pc of loan-to-value. No legal way to 'walk away' from your mortgage when your house prices drops a lot (like in the US). Nice if you're riding on the way up and get out on time. On the way down, it'll turn lots of people into debt peons of the banks. Through various stimuli, the Dutch government has been able to forestall the collapse of the bubble for some time. Now, prices are coming down in earnest (but only about 5 percent over the past 12 months). This soon is going to turn very ugly. The deregulation of the financial sector by the Dutch government in the nineties is mostly responsible for most of this bubble. Some of the things they've done over the period:
    - allowing two-income families to take out larger mortgages, effectively crowding out anyone from the market who didn't feel comfortable doing that (also a lot more risk, as when only one person loses his/her job, servicing the mortgage already gets very, very difficult)
    - allowing banks to take out these interest-only mortgages (with no down-payment)
    - at 106-112pc loan-to-value
    - interest-rate deduction for the first thirty years of a person taking a mortgage (deduction at income tax level, which in the Netherlands is 33%, 42% or 52% depending on your income)
    - the state guaranteeing the mortgage of people who shouldn't be in the mortgage market and end up not being able to service it
    - property taxes on houses are much lower than on capital or investments. This drives people into 'saving in their house'

    I've often asked residents about this nonsense over the past decade. My conclusion is that most people can only think as far ahead as the market is at that moment. So they all thought it was 'normal' and beneficial, often repeating all the lies that real estate agents tell you ('there are not enough houses in this country', etc.). If you question what they consider normal, you yourself end up being the subject of question rather than your proposed ideas. It poses a threat to their way of life.

    In addition to said catastrophic housing bubble that is ready to burst, there's also a commercial real estate market that has been in 'zombie land' for about 10 years now (if not longer). Rather than selling these numerous unsellable real estate project at realistic values, banks and other investors rather keep them empty and at par value in the book (hoping for a miracle? or for a bail-out by the state?). I've read figures that about 15-20% of all commercial real estate is unused at the moment. And who knows what banks have been hiding. Soon this zombie problem will come to a head, as many banks have refinanced these commercial real estate deals, and the investors now prefer to get out while they can. For an example of what's coming up, see this deal that was signed this week, as explained in three parts:
    - Uni-Invest part 1
    - Uni-Invest part 2
    - Uni-Invest part 3

    In this country, the voice of the real estate lobby is the only voice you will hear when you turn on television, when you read newspapers or listen to politicians. Just today, they've taken offline a website which was tracking the developments of the Dutch real estate bubble. They've been threatened by the newspaper 'Het Financiele Dagblad' (a major source of their news) for copyright violations. The newspaper were aware of this for a long time, have always been mentioned with a link to the source in any reports, and up to now were tolerated implicitly. Apparently this changed when the newspaper got pressured by one of their big advertisers.
    engineer with little (or even no) economic insight

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    • #3
      Re: Fitch doubts Dutch AAA as property slump reaches 'coma'

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...jXT_story.html

      Dutch prime minister says government austerity talks collapse
      (Peter Dejong, File/ Associated Press ) - FILE - In this Wednesday, Feb. 15, 2012 file photo, Dutch populist politician Geert Wilders poses for a photograph following an interview in The Hague, Netherlands. Time seems to run out for the minority government as seven weeks of talks to hammer out an austerity package aimed at bringing the Dutch budget deficit back within European Union limits collapsed Saturday April 21, 2012, the prime minister said, laying the blame squarely with anti-EU lawmaker Geert Wilders. Prime Minister Mark Rutte said his minority Cabinet will hold a crisis meeting Monday April 23, 2012 to discuss what to do now. “Elections are the logical next step,” Rutte said, but he added that he wants to work with parliament to hammer out austerity measures before a poll can take place.




      By Associated Press, Published: April 21

      THE HAGUE, Netherlands — The ruling Dutch minority government was on the brink of collapse Saturday after anti-EU lawmaker Geert Wilders torpedoed seven weeks of austerity talks, saying he would not cave in to budget demands from “dictators in Brussels.”

      New national elections that will be a referendum on the Netherlands’ relationship with Europe and its ailing single currency are now all-but-certain.


      But before Prime Minister can tender his resignation — possibly as early as Monday — he must consult with allies and opposition parties on how to run a caretaker government that will have to make important economic decisions in the coming weeks and months.

      “Elections are the logical next step,” Rutte said.

      Opposition leader Diederik Sansom of the Labor Party joined others across the political spectrum in calling for new elections as soon as possible.

      “In the meanwhile, we in parliament will take responsibility for a careful budget in 2013,” he said.

      Austerity talks began in early March after the Dutch economy sank into recession and forecasts showed the 2012 budget deficit will reach 4.6 percent — well above the 3 percent limit mandated by European rules. Dutch politicians have strongly demanded that Greece and other countries meet that target.

      Rutte leads the free-market Liberal Party in a minority coalition with the center-right Christian Democrats with outside support from Wilders’ Freedom Party. The outspoken Wilders is widely known for his anti-Islam and anti-EU opinions, including calls for Greece to return to the drachma and the Netherlands to leave the euro.

      Rutte said negotiations had been rounded off Friday to deliver a “balanced package” of cuts, but Wilders walked out after discussing the package with his Freedom Party.

      Christian Democrat leader Maxime Verhagen accused Wilders of “political cowardice” for refusing to sign off on the cuts — details of which have not yet been released.

      Wilders was happy to take the blame, saying he “would not accept that the elderly in the Netherlands have to pay for nonsensical demands from Brussels.” He underlined that an accord would have been possible had the coalition been less concerned with following European rules to the letter.

      “We don’t want to bow to Brussels,” he said. “We don’t want our pensioners to suffer for the sake of the dictators in Brussels.”

      Wilders has long been a staunch critic of the European Union, opposing an EU constitution and last month suggesting the Netherlands should return to its pre-euro currency, the guilder. Most mainstream Dutch parties are generally pro-EU.

      The collapse of talks could endanger the Netherlands’ coveted AAA credit rating and drive up its borrowing costs.

      The Netherlands is one of only four nations using the euro that has the top rating, though it already is under review by rating agencies. Central Bank President Klaas Knot said last week borrowing rates would rise by 1 percent if the Netherlands’ ratings are cut.

      Once considered one of Europe’s strongest economies, the Netherlands is suffering from high levels of personal debt, mostly mortgage related.

      Rutte came to power in 2010 and slashed spending by €18 billion. But after the latest downturn, he needs to cut at least €9 billion ($12 billion) more, according to estimates by the Central Plan Bureau, the government’s economic think-tank.

      His administration was cobbled together after months of talks following a 2010 election that returned a splintered parliament. Few analysts expected the coalition helped by the maverick Wilders to achieve a one-vote majority in parliament to survive a full four-year term.

      “This was always a very shaky construction,” said Jolanda Sap of smaller opposition party Green Left.

      The collapse came just days before Wilders is scheduled to fly to the United States to launch his new book, titled “Marked for Death. Islam’s war against the West and Me.” The fact that the book is being published in English and in the United States has led some observers to speculate about whether Wilders, whose party has been slipping in recent polls, might not see his future across the Atlantic.

      Wilders did not return calls seeking comment.

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      • #4
        Re: Fitch doubts Dutch AAA as property slump reaches 'coma'

        Government collapses. A couple of months ago weren't the Dutch touted as only second to the Germans in their financial stability and strength in the Euro zone?

        I'm not sure which of these shop worn phrases is more appropriate: "What goes around, comes around"; or "Be careful what you wish for"...

        Dutch PM resigns after austerity talks collapse



        Originally posted by globaleconomicollaps View Post
        ...By Associated Press, Published: April 21

        THE HAGUE, Netherlands — The ruling Dutch minority government was on the brink of collapse Saturday after anti-EU lawmaker Geert Wilders torpedoed seven weeks of austerity talks, saying he would not cave in to budget demands from “dictators in Brussels.”...

        ...Austerity talks began in early March after the Dutch economy sank into recession and forecasts showed the 2012 budget deficit will reach 4.6 percent — well above the 3 percent limit mandated by European rules. Dutch politicians have strongly demanded that Greece and other countries meet that target.

        Rutte leads the free-market Liberal Party in a minority coalition with the center-right Christian Democrats with outside support from Wilders’ Freedom Party. The outspoken Wilders is widely known for his anti-Islam and anti-EU opinions, including calls for Greece to return to the drachma and the Netherlands to leave the euro.

        Rutte said negotiations had been rounded off Friday to deliver a “balanced package” of cuts, but Wilders walked out after discussing the package with his Freedom Party.

        Christian Democrat leader Maxime Verhagen accused Wilders of “political cowardice” for refusing to sign off on the cuts — details of which have not yet been released.

        Wilders was happy to take the blame, saying he “would not accept that the elderly in the Netherlands have to pay for nonsensical demands from Brussels.” He underlined that an accord would have been possible had the coalition been less concerned with following European rules to the letter.

        “We don’t want to bow to Brussels,” he said. “We don’t want our pensioners to suffer for the sake of the dictators in Brussels.”

        Wilders has long been a staunch critic of the European Union, opposing an EU constitution and last month suggesting the Netherlands should return to its pre-euro currency, the guilder. Most mainstream Dutch parties are generally pro-EU.

        The collapse of talks could endanger the Netherlands’ coveted AAA credit rating and drive up its borrowing costs.

        The Netherlands is one of only four nations using the euro that has the top rating, though it already is under review by rating agencies. Central Bank President Klaas Knot said last week borrowing rates would rise by 1 percent if the Netherlands’ ratings are cut.

        Once considered one of Europe’s strongest economies, the Netherlands is suffering from high levels of personal debt, mostly mortgage related...

        ...

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        • #5
          Re: Fitch doubts Dutch AAA as property slump reaches 'coma'

          Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
          Government collapses. A couple of months ago weren't the Dutch touted as only second to the Germans in their financial stability and strength in the Euro zone?

          I'm not sure which of these shop worn phrases is more appropriate: "What goes around, comes around"; or "Be careful what you wish for"...

          Dutch PM resigns after austerity talks collapse
          I recall the progression like so:
          core europe is :
          Germany
          France
          Netherlands
          Finland
          Austria

          then progressively all got dropped except Germany


          I expect a news flash -- German banking crisis widens, housing crash, blah blah blah , etc etc.

          then "core" will be down to none.

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          • #6
            Re: Fitch doubts Dutch AAA as property slump reaches 'coma'

            Originally posted by globaleconomicollaps View Post
            I recall the progression like so:
            core europe is :
            Germany
            France
            Netherlands
            Finland
            Austria

            then progressively all got dropped except Germany


            I expect a news flash -- German banking crisis widens, housing crash, blah blah blah , etc etc.

            then "core" will be down to none.
            To have a "housing crash" in Germany, doesn't there first have to have been a "bubble"?

            That didn't happen...
            R.

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            • #7
              Re: Fitch doubts Dutch AAA as property slump reaches 'coma'

              Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
              To have a "housing crash" in Germany, doesn't there first have to have been a "bubble"?

              That didn't happen...
              R.
              http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed...-ecb-under-bus


              German house prices rose 5.6pc last year after a decade of stagnation. Officials in Frankfurt are watching the property data closely, fearing that Germany may succumb to the sort of housing bubble that engulfed the Club Med bloc in the early years of EMU.

              "The Bundesbank does not want to be blamed for making the same mistakes as central banks in Ireland and Spain where they did not address asset bubbles early enough," said Bernhard Speyer from Deutsche Bank.

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              • #8
                Re: Fitch doubts Dutch AAA as property slump reaches 'coma'

                Originally posted by globaleconomicollaps View Post

                German house prices rose 5.6pc last year after a decade of stagnation.
                I think you verified my point...a 5.6% increase after "a decade of stagnation" hardly qualifies as a "bubble", and you may be waiting quite some considerable time for a "housing crash" in Germany. :-)
                Last edited by GRG55; April 26, 2012, 07:36 AM.

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