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  • Proposal to Strip Corporations of Constitutional Rights Gains Momentum in Wisconsin

    “RESOLVED, the City of Madison, Wisconsin, calls for reclaiming democracy from the corrupting effects of undue corporate influence by amending the United States Constitution to establish that:
    1. Only human beings, not corporations, are entitled to constitutional rights, and
    2. Money is not speech, and therefore regulating political contributions and spending is not equivalent to limiting political speech.”

    84% of voters in Madison, Wisconsin have approved the above measure that would strip corporations of any claim to the protection of rights enumerated in the U.S. Constitution. Voters elsewhere in Wisconsin have also approved the measure in their particular counties. The proposal comes in the wake of Wisconsin Republicans successful efforts to strip from state unions the right to collectively bargain. The battle over that bill galvanized many in America, and has spurred progressives and others on the left to reassert workers’ rights.

    The amendment, proposed by Move to Amend, is meant to strike at the heart of Citizens United, a 2010 Supreme Court decision that ruled that corporations were entitled to the same constitutional protection as citizens. That decision also paved the way for corporations to donate any amount they wish to political campaigns.

    Many Americans, including Republicans, are decidedly against giving corporations the same rights as individuals, and are also very much against allowing corporations to fund campaigns. According to a Survey USA poll, 70% of Republicans and 88% of Democrats are for rejecting the underlying tenets of Citizens United.

    Whether or not progressives, and any conservative allies they pick up a long the way, will be able to actually amend the Constitution to strip corporations of certain rights, only time will tell. But it seems, based on polling and the fervency of the proposal’s supporters, that the initiative might very well be able to accomplish what many across the political spectrum have hoped to see for decades. At the very least, the measure will raise awareness of an issue many have long sought to address.
    http://www.pculpa.com/component/cont...wisconsin.html

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    Re: Proposal to Strip Corporations of Constitutional Rights Gains Momentum in Wisconsin

    A most excellent glimmer of good sense.

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      Re: Proposal to Strip Corporations of Constitutional Rights Gains Momentum in Wisconsin

      About time.

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      • #4
        Re: Proposal to Strip Corporations of Constitutional Rights Gains Momentum in Wisconsin

        Laughable proposal that would set a terrible precedent if passed.

        But, as an incorporated city, Madison has the right to propose whatever nonsense it pleases.

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          Re: Proposal to Strip Corporations of Constitutional Rights Gains Momentum in Wisconsin

          I doubt any of the supporters of this resolution understand that the AARP, teachers union, the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, and even the city of Wisconsin itself, are corporations.

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            Re: Proposal to Strip Corporations of Constitutional Rights Gains Momentum in Wisconsin

            Originally posted by Scot View Post
            I doubt any of the supporters of this resolution understand that the AARP, teachers union, the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, and even the city of Wisconsin itself, are corporations.
            pure B.S.

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            • #7
              Re: Proposal to Strip Corporations of Constitutional Rights Gains Momentum in Wisconsin

              Originally posted by thriftyandboringinohio View Post
              A most excellent glimmer of good sense.
              I will second that. Very good sense indeed.

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              • #8
                Re: Proposal to Strip Corporations of Constitutional Rights Gains Momentum in Wisconsin

                I like the goal, but it's just a goal. All they did was "call for" ... "amending the United States Constitution".

                You can sign the motion here: http://movetoamend.org/

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                • #9
                  Re: Proposal to Strip Corporations of Constitutional Rights Gains Momentum in Wisconsin

                  How is union extortion ever considered a right? If it's a right, why can't small business owners get together and bargain for a fair profit from consumers? Gas stations are notoriously low profit and sometimes large loss enterprises. I can count a dozen in my area that have folded. Shouldn't those fellows have had the right to make a fair profit (wage) for risking everything they have to provide a very needed service? Perhaps costumers should be forced to use the same station for life so as to provide "job security" to the owner and employees. They deserve the same evenings and weekends off just like civil servants too. All stations will be open from 9-12 and 1 to 5 while closes for lunch, evenings and weekends so public and private workers are treated fairly. All employees will receive $100,000 per year just like the pay and benefits package of most public employees such as these teachers in troy Michigan.
                  http://www.troy.k12.mi.us/about/finance/report/TEA.pdf
                  By year 6 total pay and benefits exceed $100,000 a year with the potential to earn 150,000 a year even for a kindergarten teacher working 945 hours a year.

                  Gotta love those unions... unless your the one paying.

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                    Re: Proposal to Strip Corporations of Constitutional Rights Gains Momentum in Wisconsin

                    Originally posted by dropthatcash View Post
                    How is union extortion ever considered a right?
                    Because historically corps of all sizes and shapes have abused workers rights. Given the declining wages/benefits in the face of rising costs for the last, oh, couple of decades at least while productivity rises no less I don't think its unreasonable to say that the workers need some sort of advantage.



                    Originally posted by dropthatcash View Post
                    If it's a right, why can't small business owners get together and bargain for a fair profit from consumers?
                    Because historically they'd collude to screw over everyone else under the guise of trying to improve costs and profits.

                    Originally posted by dropthatcash View Post
                    Gas stations are notoriously low profit and sometimes large loss enterprises. I can count a dozen in my area that have folded. Shouldn't those fellows have had the right to make a fair profit (wage) for risking everything they have to provide a very needed service?
                    The oil companies force them to pay a certain price and if they don't like then tough. That is a prime example of corps abusing their position of pricing power that goes on today.

                    Originally posted by dropthatcash View Post
                    They deserve the same evenings and weekends off just like civil servants too. All stations will be open from 9-12 and 1 to 5 while closes for lunch, evenings and weekends so public and private workers are treated fairly. All employees will receive $100,000 per year just like the pay and benefits package of most public employees such as these teachers in troy Michigan.
                    http://www.troy.k12.mi.us/about/finance/report/TEA.pdf
                    By year 6 total pay and benefits exceed $100,000 a year with the potential to earn 150,000 a year even for a kindergarten teacher working 945 hours a year.
                    Congrats on misrepresenting some facts. The vast majority of civil servants don't make that much money or get those levels of benefits. The ones that do usually work under unusual or extreme circumstances. But go ahead and keep blaming unions for all of our budget ills, while its entitlements and the military that consume the vast majority of what the gov. spends.

                    Last edited by mesyn191; April 12, 2011, 05:18 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Proposal to Strip Corporations of Constitutional Rights Gains Momentum in Wisconsin

                      Go baby, Go!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Proposal to Strip Corporations of Constitutional Rights Gains Momentum in Wisconsin

                        Originally posted by mesyn191 View Post
                        Because historically corps of all sizes and shapes have abused workers rights. Given the declining wages/benefits in the face of rising costs for the last, oh, couple of decades at least while productivity rises no less I don't think its unreasonable to say that the workers need some sort of advantage.




                        Because historically they'd collude to screw over everyone else under the guise of trying to improve costs and profits.
                        Hmmm.... really? Are you totally obliviouse to the fact you're making my case about the destructive nature of artificial markets like unions?

                        As for your assertion, " The vast majority of civil servants don't make that much money or get those levels of benefits" I can only guess you live in some remote African village as it's a well know fact the benefits of typical government workers costs 20,000 more per year than private sector employees. Go ahead and look up your favorite city and do the math yourself. Here's Detroit;

                        http://www.detroitmi.gov/Portals/0/d...ry_stamped.pdf

                        Total pay for one of Detroit's 199 Librarians? $67,000 a year. Average total compensation for a Barns and Noble floor employee; $24,000 !

                        Meter collectors $57,000, Typical Walmart cashier, $22,000 And they have to be nice!

                        Detroit city mechanics, $72,000, typical mechanic at local shops $34,000 and he has to bring his own tools!

                        These are numbers from a broke and broken city no less.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Proposal to Strip Corporations of Constitutional Rights Gains Momentum in Wisconsin

                          This thread begins with a nod towards reigning in corporate power and quickly veers off to venting about public employee benefits. I love watching this debate unfold over and over again. I fully expect it to spill into the streets.

                          Matt Taibbi’s latest on Wall Street wives borrowing at the Fed window should be on the front pages of the NYT and WSJ. White collar crime is rampant with no prosecution, but the bullhorn provides a crescendo of wailing and moaning about the discrepancy between public and private employee compensation. It’s too rich.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Proposal to Strip Corporations of Constitutional Rights Gains Momentum in Wisconsin

                            total annual cost salaries and benefits of union trucking industry forklift operator: $94,500

                            total annual cost of non union forklift operator for non union subsidiary of same company, who works more hours and does a broader, more flexible job for longer hours:

                            $36220

                            total annual cost of forklift operator for same company in the port of shanghai:

                            $6300 and that is HIGH, average factory worker wage is around $3000.

                            Then look at the union waste:

                            Last year, 110 Teamster officials received a salary of $150,000 or more—the highest number ever. Thirty-five Teamster officials made more than $200,000.
                            President Hoffa received the most total compensation of any Teamster official: $383,132.

                            http://tdu.org/files/updated2009salaryreport.pdf

                            These are freaking truckdrivers who don't drive trucks anymore, they just float around from paid resorts in florida and arizona and argue against the divided management reps to force the rehire of often deadbeat or even drug addict truckdrivers to put them back on the highways under the CBA.

                            what's the ideal salary and benefits situation, probably somewhere in between... but the fact is the unions are just another financial scam on the workers, and another layer of costs on both the workers AND the companies.

                            there has to be a better way.



                            back on track, we do have to find a way to unhinge corporate leverage from government and media domination; but if we do it without removing the vast mob of uneducated, net government benefit recipients from the voting pool, it could get even WORSE.

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                              Re: Proposal to Strip Corporations of Constitutional Rights Gains Momentum in Wisconsin

                              Originally posted by dropthatcash View Post
                              Hmmm.... really? Are you totally obliviouse to the fact you're making my case about the destructive nature of artificial markets like unions?
                              I like how you say this without trying to back it up in any way shape or form. If your point is that unions can set prices for markets at large like the oil oligarchy can then you're full of it BTW. Even at its peak of its power the AFL-CIO didn't have the power the oil companies have.

                              Originally posted by dropthatcash View Post
                              I can only guess you live in some remote African village as it's a well know fact the benefits of typical government workers costs 20,000 more per year than private sector employees.
                              Well first off claiming that the benefits they do receive is equivalent to $20k more is a far faaar cry from claiming they all get $100k+ a year. Secondly so because they get better benefits you want to see them stripped of them because why.... What? Its unfair that gov. employees actually get good benefits instead of the shitty/no benefits private employees get? WTF is wrong with your thinking? Why aren't you instead thinking "hrrrm, we should really improve the benefits that private employers give out somehow!!" or even, "wow healthcare is practically unaffordable without benefits, maybe we should fix the spiralling out of control costs!!". Instead all you wanna do is find ways to see people get fucked over.

                              And don't give me some BS that isn't what you want, because that is the exact outcome of what would happen if you got rid of union benefits and/or wages. Its the only way these people can afford healthcare. You take their money/benefits away WTF good are you doing? All you end up doing is ruining their quality of life or even forcing them to die faster.

                              Originally posted by dropthatcash View Post
                              Total pay for one of Detroit's 199 Librarians? $67,000 a year. Average total compensation for a Barns and Noble floor employee; $24,000 !
                              Where did you get it in your head than a librarian performs the same tasks as a B&N employee? God your arguments are specious and/or dishonest as all get out.
                              Last edited by mesyn191; April 13, 2011, 09:42 AM.

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