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    Three different stories all showing how messed up California is. From unwillingness to cut spending, to outrages spending by government employees and off course big business bailouts.

    California Republicans Can’t Even Do Wrong Right

    Tim Cavanaugh | March 21, 2011


    At CalWatchdog, Steven Greenhut catches Republicans “on the side of big government, higher taxes and uncontrolled debt and against property rights, individualism and freedom.” His proof? The Assembly GOP’s vote last week on Gov. Jerry Brown’s plan to phase out redevelopment agencies.
    Brown wants to eliminate the state’s 400 redevelopment agencies (RDAs). The Republicans – who continue to find new ways to lose in California – have only 27 out of 80 Assembly seats. That gives them no leverage on budget votes, which now require a straight majority rather than two-thirds. But it’s still enough to make a difference in emergency budget bills like this one, which do require a two-thirds majority. So during a week in which the Republicans allowed all manner of big-spending budget provisions to go by, how did they do on the one vote that could have helped California property owners and small business people? Greenhut counts the votes:
    [O]nly longtime redevelopment foe, Chris Norby of Fullerton, sided with taxpayers and property owners. The rest of the Assembly Republicans voted “no” or didn’t vote at all. Had even one of the Republicans joined Norby, the bill would have passed with a two-thirds majority. There may still be time, but the GOP is too busy celebrating that it stopped Brown on this one issue. They put partisanship above their own ideology. They stopped Brown in one of the few areas where Brown was right...
    Redevelopment is about everything Republicans claim to loath: bureaucracy, debt, abuses of property rights, big government, excessive land-use rules, subsidized housing and fiscal irresponsibility. In California cities, redevelopment bureaucrats rule the roost and they leave a path of destruction wherever they go. They bully people and impose enormous burdens on taxpayers. The diversion of tax dollars to welfare queens mandates higher taxes, but the GOP sided with the redevelopment industry. They sided with agencies that run up hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer-backed indebtedness. They sided with government-directed stimulus programs, albeit local ones rather than federal ones.
    The truth is California Republicans do not believe in limited government. They do not stand up for property owners. They are the party of corporate welfare.
    It’s hard to overstate how grotesque this vote was. Jerry Brown has gone against many longtime supporters on this issue. He has surprisingly brought together support from a coalition of state Democrats, including Controller John Chiang, who is taking a hard look at the day-to-day criminality of the RDAs.
    http://reason.com/blog/2011/03/21/ca...licans-cant-ev

    On to the next story:

    Your Tax Dollars at Work, Paying Rent for Bankrupt Bookstores Matt Welch | March 22, 2011
    This is but a single example of the kind of bankrupt government/development corporate welfare "deals" that get done constantly by objectively evil Redevelopment Agencies, this time in Pico Rivera, California:
    The city spent $1.6 million in federal grant money to bring Borders into the Pico Rivera Towne Center and to help pay its rent for nearly eight years.
    Now the bookstore at 8852 Washington Blvd. is among the 200 Borders stores closing by April in the wake of the company filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy reorganization.
    But the city still faces paying rent on the soon-to-be vacated 18,100-square-foot site, along with other costs associated with 2002 agreements it made with Borders and with Vestar Development Co., which owns the Towne Center.
    If Borders leaves, the contract with Vestar requires the city to pay the company $33,932.91 a month for 72 months until a new tenant comes in. Vestar will get the money on the condition it is making "commercially reasonable efforts" to secure a new tenant for the site, according to the wording of the agreement.
    How many more where that came from, I wonder?
    http://reason.com/blog/2011/03/22/yo...-at-work-payin

    Finally, the most outrages story:
    Eviction Vigilante + Expense Account Queens = L.A. Government

    Tim Cavanaugh | March 22, 2011
    Jessica Garrison reports on a government official who spent taxpayer money on a $30,000 home improvement, tried to evict tenants who protested his policies, and yet may not be the worst person in the story.
    L.A. Housing Authority Chief Executive Rudolf Montiel was fired by the Authority board yesterday:
    The move comes less than six months after Montiel faced the wrath of city leaders when his agency tried to evict nine tenants who had protested housing authority policies at Montiel's Rancho Cucamonga home. At the time, City Council members called Montiel "childlike" and accused him of acting like "Big Brother." The eviction notices were later rescinded.
    Montiel has headed the agency — and its $1-billion-a-year budget — since 2004.
    The termination also follows Montiel's request this month that board members return thousands of dollars in "double-dipped" costs or travel expenses submitted without authorization or receipts.
    Commissioners took per diems for travel expenses but also charged meals, sometimes extravagant ones including disallowed alcoholic drinks, to their agency credit cards, according to a CBS-TV Channel 2 report in February. The commissioners reported spending more than $150,000 over the last two years on travel and food, the station reported.
    Full story. The L.A. Times still uses Decade Zero-era autolinking, in which phrases like "Big Brother" and "CBS-TV Channel 2" take readers hungry for more information to archival coverage of respectively, the TV show Big Brother and CBS Corp. So you'll have to use your Farnsworth Machine to watch Alvivon Hurd's original CBS coverage of the double-dipping scandal.
    Last week we saw how CalPERS CEO Federico Buenrostro blew a placement agent's dollars on gambling and overseas junkets. In this case, food appears to have been the weakness of the Housing Authority board members, whose $158,000 expense-account binge included four-figure meals with fancy Brazilian cocktails. For his part, the fired Montiel spent $30,000 of the people of California's money on a home security system.
    For my money Montiel's retaliatory evictions are more troubling than the board members' fairly standard featherbedding. You could make the case that since there is no “right” to public housing, tenancy on the taxpayer dime could require you to surrender certain rights, including the right to protest outside officials’ homes. But there’s nothing in the law or court precedent to back that up, and Montiel’s attempt to evict tenant protesters is a pretty clear abuse of authority. It also happened five months ago, yet the board didn’t bother firing him until he went after them.
    That may or may not be another retaliatory gesture. In any event, rotten people like these are the kind of bacteria that thrive in the sewer of L.A. politics.
    http://reason.com/blog/2011/03/22/ev...te-expense-acc

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    Re: This is why California is going down

    The insanity does not stop there:

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      Re: This is why California is going down

      Originally posted by tsetsefly View Post
      The insanity does not stop there:


      The problem is not fast food, but fried foods and soda.

      Sodas should be taxed.

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        Re: This is why California is going down

        Big candy, chip, and soda companies captured the Thai market about ten years ago. I can sit on the wall across the street from the 2,000 plus middle and high school and watch the kids stream out. Ten years ago it was hard to spot a fat Thai kid. Now they are everywhere.

        A poll at an international school near here showed the average middle school kid was drinking six sodas a day. A majority drank one or two sodas before they got to school. Some of the Asia kids drank none, but they were offset by western kids drinking ten or twelve. Just getting the school to stop selling sodas took four years and stirred a huge debate.

        Tax em hard. Put diabetes on the back of the can.

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          Re: This is why California is going down

          Originally posted by Thailandnotes View Post
          Big candy, chip, and soda companies captured the Thai market about ten years ago. I can sit on the wall across the street from the 2,000 plus middle and high school and watch the kids stream out. Ten years ago it was hard to spot a fat Thai kid. Now they are everywhere.

          A poll at an international school near here showed the average middle school kid was drinking six sodas a day. A majority drank one or two sodas before they got to school. Some of the Asia kids drank none, but they were offset by western kids drinking ten or twelve. Just getting the school to stop selling sodas took four years and stirred a huge debate.

          Tax em hard. Put diabetes on the back of the can.
          Why not teach kids self-control? I also had soda available to me as many times as I wanted to0 but I never went overboard with it, and I am sure many others also restrain themselves. So why should everyone pay extra because a bunch of fatties cant control how many sodas they drink?
          Policy should not be aimed at protecting people from bad decisions, especially when the price is payed by everyone. It can be as trivial as taxing sodas or as horrendous as prohibiting drug use and creating an unnecessary drug war that has caused millions of deaths.

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            Re: This is why California is going down

            Originally posted by tsetsefly View Post
            Why not teach kids self-control? I also had soda available to me as many times as I wanted to0 but I never went overboard with it, and I am sure many others also restrain themselves. So why should everyone pay extra because a bunch of fatties cant control how many sodas they drink?
            Policy should not be aimed at protecting people from bad decisions, especially when the price is payed by everyone. It can be as trivial as taxing sodas or as horrendous as prohibiting drug use and creating an unnecessary drug war that has caused millions of deaths.
            SECOND that.
            i get tired of the argument that we "need the gov and more 'laws' to protect us"
            from ourselves

            if anything, its exactly the opposite sitch: WE The People need protection from them, the buracracy, that exists mainly today to provide _them_ with endlessly increasing benefit packages, while we stress/strain daily under the weight of all their good intentions

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              Re: This is why California is going down

              Originally posted by tsetsefly View Post
              Why not teach kids self-control? I also had soda available to me as many times as I wanted to0 but I never went overboard with it, and I am sure many others also restrain themselves. So why should everyone pay extra because a bunch of fatties cant control how many sodas they drink?
              Policy should not be aimed at protecting people from bad decisions, especially when the price is payed by everyone. It can be as trivial as taxing sodas or as horrendous as prohibiting drug use and creating an unnecessary drug war that has caused millions of deaths.
              Your viewpoint is based on a few misconceptions and illogical argumentation.

              Firstly, half of people have below average intelligence. It takes most people years of experience to effectively choose the correct path and the less intelligent require even more time. Children, for this reason, cannot always be counted on to make the right choices.

              Further, your argument rests on a flawed premise: that personal choice is the reason society exists and that people should be able to make whatever choices they want and reap what they sow, whether good or bad. "Personal Responsibility" as a fundamental ethic requires another principle of liberalism to be true: the tablua rasa theory of human nature. We now know this is false. Depending on inherited genetic traits in a particular population group, about 1/3 to 2/3s of the people are incapable of long term planning or even differentiating right from wrong. They live on instinct alone and can survive only in societies where the more intelligent provide for them or impose healthy values and restraint upon them. No amount of conditioning well ever make them capable of personal responsibility. They can live only as slaves, the only question is what form of slavery is most ethical for a given society. Today, of course, the labor value of these surplus groups is very low so most societies keep them busy with bread and games. What you're talking about is the bread.

              You are also employing a false equivalency. Prohibition certainly doesn't work for goods in high demand, but I don't think we are in danger of having a large soda smuggling problem anytime soon. The danger of many drugs is they hijack instinct, and for the less intelligent this becomes a problem. They are in high demand not because they have tremendous utility, but because they are biologically addictive.

              Societies only function when there is a healthy culture that encourages positive behaviors within the context of human nature. All the laws in the world won't help. Teaching personal responsibility to those too stupid to think about the future won't help. There needs to be a proper interrelationship between the natural classes of men, where the intelligent recognize their duty to impose order on their more feeble minded brothers, and the less intelligent not only learn to obey but desire to do so out of their intrinsic need to belong to a community.

              Without this proper balance, social breakdown is inevitable.

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                Re: This is why California is going down

                Originally posted by tsetsefly View Post
                Why not teach kids self-control? I also had soda available to me as many times as I wanted to0 but I never went overboard with it, and I am sure many others also restrain themselves. So why should everyone pay extra because a bunch of fatties cant control how many sodas they drink?
                Policy should not be aimed at protecting people from bad decisions, especially when the price is payed by everyone. It can be as trivial as taxing sodas or as horrendous as prohibiting drug use and creating an unnecessary drug war that has caused millions of deaths.
                I'm not looking at "fatties" or people who can restrain themselves. I'm looking at what I see on the street, a whole society getting fatter on sugar, salt, and oil...very, very quickly. There was no KFC inside the school lunch room when I was growing up. You couldn't buy sodas at school. Ice cream was only on Fridays, etc. Childhood diabetes is soaring. Your soda consumption is already being very heavily taxed by FIRE.

                "Policy should not be aimed at protecting people from bad decisions, especially when the price is payed by everyone."

                Number one health issue here is to get people on motorcycles to wear a helmet. Fining them is protecting them from their own bad decisions. The price of fining them is paid by everyone. The price of not bothering to police and fine them is much, much more. It is also paid by everyone. Are you against seat belt laws?

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                  Re: This is why California is going down

                  Originally posted by BigBagel
                  Number one health issue here is to get people on motorcycles to wear a helmet. Fining them is protecting them from their own bad decisions. The price of fining them is paid by everyone.
                  Depends on your point of view: after all, helmetless riders are such a prime source of organ donor material.

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                    Re: This is why California is going down

                    Originally posted by Serge_Tomiko View Post
                    Your viewpoint is based on a few misconceptions and illogical argumentation.

                    Firstly, half of people have below average intelligence. It takes most people years of experience to effectively choose the correct path and the less intelligent require even more time. Children, for this reason, cannot always be counted on to make the right choices.

                    Further, your argument rests on a flawed premise: that personal choice is the reason society exists and that people should be able to make whatever choices they want and reap what they sow, whether good or bad. "Personal Responsibility" as a fundamental ethic requires another principle of liberalism to be true: the tablua rasa theory of human nature. We now know this is false. Depending on inherited genetic traits in a particular population group, about 1/3 to 2/3s of the people are incapable of long term planning or even differentiating right from wrong. They live on instinct alone and can survive only in societies where the more intelligent provide for them or impose healthy values and restraint upon them. No amount of conditioning well ever make them capable of personal responsibility. They can live only as slaves, the only question is what form of slavery is most ethical for a given society. Today, of course, the labor value of these surplus groups is very low so most societies keep them busy with bread and games. What you're talking about is the bread.

                    You are also employing a false equivalency. Prohibition certainly doesn't work for goods in high demand, but I don't think we are in danger of having a large soda smuggling problem anytime soon. The danger of many drugs is they hijack instinct, and for the less intelligent this becomes a problem. They are in high demand not because they have tremendous utility, but because they are biologically addictive.

                    Societies only function when there is a healthy culture that encourages positive behaviors within the context of human nature. All the laws in the world won't help. Teaching personal responsibility to those too stupid to think about the future won't help. There needs to be a proper interrelationship between the natural classes of men, where the intelligent recognize their duty to impose order on their more feeble minded brothers, and the less intelligent not only learn to obey but desire to do so out of their intrinsic need to belong to a community.

                    Without this proper balance, social breakdown is inevitable.
                    THis is the exact argument progressives use to justify government intervention in everything. "Most individuals are too stupid to make right the decision so, more intelligent people(and off course it's always them) will have to make those decisions for me." Ill leave aside the arrogance in that way of thinking and just say I dont think everyone is too stupid to make decisions. Although there is some truth to the fact that people of lower intelligence continually make poor decisions or are limited in what they can do, a "stupid"poor person has a better shot of making it in a wealthier country which compared to their counterparts are economically freer and less regulated.

                    As for soda taxes, tobacco taxes have been shown to have very little effect on smoking. And a smuggling problem has begun, not only across state lines but European countries have also began to address this. Dont kid yourself with the soda and cigarette taxes, they are only another way politicians try to get more money.

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                      Re: This is why California is going down

                      Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                      Depends on your point of view: after all, helmetless riders are such a prime source of organ donor material.
                      "Our estimates imply that every
                      death of a helmetless motorcyclist prevents or delays as many as 0.33 deaths among
                      individuals on organ transplant waiting lists."

                      I'm laughing, but is the logic to get rid of air bags?

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                        Re: This is why California is going down

                        Originally posted by Thailandnotes View Post
                        I'm not looking at "fatties" or people who can restrain themselves. I'm looking at what I see on the street, a whole society getting fatter on sugar, salt, and oil...very, very quickly. There was no KFC inside the school lunch room when I was growing up. You couldn't buy sodas at school. Ice cream was only on Fridays, etc. Childhood diabetes is soaring. Your soda consumption is already being very heavily taxed by FIRE.

                        "Policy should not be aimed at protecting people from bad decisions, especially when the price is payed by everyone."

                        Number one health issue here is to get people on motorcycles to wear a helmet. Fining them is protecting them from their own bad decisions. The price of fining them is paid by everyone. The price of not bothering to police and fine them is much, much more. It is also paid by everyone. Are you against seat belt laws?
                        THink of it as evolution at work with people who dont wear helmets and die when they crash. Yes I am against seat belt laws, possibly not for minor but then again there have been stories of cars catching on fire and people not being able to get out because of their seatbelt. But again it comes down to government using force to compel individuals to do something., once that law is crossed anything can be justified as long as enough people agree with it.

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                          Re: This is why California is going down

                          Originally posted by tsetsefly View Post
                          THis is the exact argument progressives use to justify government intervention in everything. "Most individuals are too stupid to make right the decision so, more intelligent people(and off course it's always them) will have to make those decisions for me." Ill leave aside the arrogance in that way of thinking and just say I dont think everyone is too stupid to make decisions. Although there is some truth to the fact that people of lower intelligence continually make poor decisions or are limited in what they can do, a "stupid"poor person has a better shot of making it in a wealthier country which compared to their counterparts are economically freer and less regulated.

                          As for soda taxes, tobacco taxes have been shown to have very little effect on smoking. And a smuggling problem has begun, not only across state lines but European countries have also began to address this. Dont kid yourself with the soda and cigarette taxes, they are only another way politicians try to get more money.
                          Exactly. This is why most people today lack even the slightest bit of self control, they never have to face any consequences. But don't worry, those super smart elitists will take care of you, if you'll just give them control.

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                            Re: This is why California is going down

                            Originally posted by ThailandNotes
                            I'm laughing, but is the logic to get rid of air bags?
                            No, cars aren't very good for organ donor harvesting. They tend to pulverize bodies and/or burn.

                            Motorcycles are much better - not so much surrounding metal and fuel.

                            On the other hand, if seat belts could be removed by law for everyone except the driver (damn steering column), as well as larger windows mandated, perhaps the launching of passengers out of vehicles would help the numbers.

                            /sarc

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                              Re: This is why California is going down

                              Please allow me to interject on this one.
                              Originally posted by Thailandnotes View Post
                              Are you against seat belt laws?
                              Yes, I am. Laws that protect people "from themselves" always have unintended consequences. In the case of seat belt laws, studies were done in neighboring states as various states adopted compulsive seat belt laws indicated that there was no net decrease in overall traffic fatalities, at least for some of the states. Seat belts did indeed save lives, but only the lives of the drivers and passengers of motor vehicles--pedestrians, bicyclists, motorcyclists, and everyone not in a vehicle saw an increase in deaths after the seat belt law was enacted because motorists evidently became more reckless in aggregate.

                              Seat belt laws therefore punished pedestrians and all persons with property on or around the road (including all motorists who survived the net increase in collisions). The people smart enough to wear their seat belts before the laws were passed were evidently indirectly punished by the seat belt laws because of this increased aggregate amount of bad driving. Over time, of course, driving skills and safety technology improved so the net trend is for fewer fatalities and accidents. The initial results, however, speak for themselves.

                              The intervention in any complex situation--which includes every single human action--will be met with unforeseen consequences. Some laws designed to "protect people against themselves" may actually perform their intended purpose with no meaningful downside. I suspect you will be hard-pressed to find any though.

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