utter devastation

[lektrode]

sometimes (most) i dont think US americans realize just how lucky we are...
(in spite of all the devastation lower manhattan & DC has dumped on US, even with all the pissin n moanin comin outa WI & soon to be NY, NJ, CA, MI, IL, etc etc etc...)

take a good look at this AND BE BLOODY WELL THANKFUL YOU WERE ***LUCKY*** TO BE BORN AN AMERICAN!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...551355818.html

even as the politcal class - yes, thats right - the DC aristocracy - continues to abdicate its responsibility, whilst selling-out the best interests of _our_ (cuz its NOT 'theirs' to sell) BIRTHRIGHT - paid for over the past 400 years of sacrifice and suffering so that future generations might have a better go of life on this VIOLENT planet of OURS

tell me now, what makes what the argument worth protesting for, while the political class and their GD buddies in lower manhattan get rich on the rest of OUR suffering?

pathetic, aint it?

take a GOOD look at what yer missing and tell me again why/what we're fighting over....

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...551355818.html

does The USA have any "statesmen" remaining? (i'da said 'left' but that gives me a pain in my gut...)

[c1ue]

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It is a good question what the result would be were an 8.9 level earthquake to hit off the coast of California or Oregon

And note that the US has had very strong quakes before - interestingly enough the 2nd strongest US quake was in Missouri, not West Coast:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1812_New_Madrid_earthquake

[thunderdownunder]

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Lectrode, I is without doubt that Japan is in dire need of total international help. Food and water are in some areas, in short supply. But the overwhelming nature of the three hits they are having to deal with beyond comprehension. All Nuc power plants have to be inspected for damage, some mentioned in other posts will never operate again and it takes ten years to rebuild new ones. I believe everything is being under reported simply because of the scale of damage. I have just listened an interview with a supermarket owner who has begged the World for help because in his words 'Japan is sinking"
Katrina was a disaster of epic proportions (and remains a sore on the American administrations ass) Japan, is beyond comprehension and is truly is a disaster of biblical proportions that will ripple through the entire World.
Let us hope & indeed pray the 5 power plants units on emergency notice are able to be shut down fully without any more "explosions" for if the worst case come to pass The US West coast will share that fallout that Japan is suffering.
One World as one closed sphere with one people, one family, all Human, all sharing the Air, water, nature, oceans, food and finite resources. Unfortunately some people consider that it is all for the taking and by any force, Monetary or Military. This disaster proves (to me at least) there are forces at work that have been made clear to those who believe ultimate power resides in them. That is if they have eyes to see and ears to hear but I doubt it.
Romans 1:20 to 23

[Chris Coles]

Re: utter devastation

sometimes (most) i dont think US americans realize just how lucky we are...
(in spite of all the devastation lower manhattan & DC has dumped on US, even with all the pissin n moanin comin outa WI & soon to be NY, NJ, CA, MI, IL, etc etc etc...)

take a good look at this AND BE BLOODY WELL THANKFUL YOU WERE ***LUCKY*** TO BE BORN AN AMERICAN!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...551355818.html

even as the politcal class - yes, thats right - the DC aristocracy - continues to abdicate its responsibility, whilst selling-out the best interests of _our_ (cuz its NOT 'theirs' to sell) BIRTHRIGHT - paid for over the past 400 years of sacrifice and suffering so that future generations might have a better go of life on this VIOLENT planet of OURS

tell me now, what makes what the argument worth protesting for, while the political class and their GD buddies in lower manhattan get rich on the rest of OUR suffering?

pathetic, aint it?

take a GOOD look at what yer missing and tell me again why/what we're fighting over....

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...551355818.html

does The USA have any "statesmen" remaining? (i'da said 'left' but that gives me a pain in my gut...)

A couple of decades ago, I started writing a book about the effects of ANOTHER, long runnout landslide off the coast of Hawaii. I stopped because I did not want to impose a great fear upon the general population of the West Coast. During the early 1970's it was discovered that an earlier paper by a USGS geologist, suggesting that the coast of Hawaii was created by gigantic landslides, rather than erosion, was correct. Side Scan surveys of the seabed discovered evidence of 27 gigantic landslides. To give an example, the largest piece of rock, that, before the landslide been above sea level, is; 12Kms long, 6Kms wide and 2Kms thick and now sits 60Kms off shore.........

I believe that the entire geological structure of the San Francisco Bay and surrounding region was formed as we see it today by a tsunami that blocked the river systems, reduced the level of the seaward side hills by 300 ft and if you have the same event again, such an event will not take out the odd town, but every city on the West coast. I watched a Channel4 TV program some years ago, (cannot find the link), where the geologist sat on a rock in Hawaii and suggested that the next event would be the catastrophe of civilisation.

Kilauea has been dumping a million tons of fresh lava on the sea shore of the main island every day since the mid 1970's. http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hvo/activi...aueastatus.php

There is a 40 mile stretch of the island, 14 miles deep from shore to the back face, moving as a single block towards the sea. It even has the great crack as a tourist feature. http://www.instanthawaii.com/cgi-bin/hawaii?Hikes.crack

There is reason to believe that my draft book was the trigger for the two movies, Deep Impact and Armageddon, both featuring the potential for a gigantic wave washing over the land. But I decided not to continue. There was no sense in destroying the lives of millions of people with a great fear; when it might not happen for another 10,000 years or so. Certainly just afterwards, (I sent them a copy of the draft), the USGS changed the earthquake reporting from every minor earthquake, (up to ~160 per day), to where it is today, showing only a few. http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquak....-162.-152.php

[Master Shake]

Re: utter devastation

Never read that about Hawaii, but I do remember a similar worst case scenario involving the Canary Islands and the east coast

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3963563.stm

[Chris Coles]

Re: utter devastation

There you go, many people know about the potential; no one wants to publicise it. If my analysis is correct, five hours after the event, all you will have is another 300 feet of sand and gravel washed over everything.... with nothing left. Nothing!

[lektrode]

Re: utter devastation

It is a good question what the result would be were an 8.9 level earthquake to hit off the coast of California or Oregon

And note that the US has had very strong quakes before - interestingly enough the 2nd strongest US quake was in Missouri, not West Coast:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1812_New_Madrid_earthquake

interesting story/history there.

methinks theres bound to be more to come, since the japan quake was reported to be largest since 1900(? i thot eye saw somewhere?) - would seem that if that much plate tectonics was involved, and if one action causes an opposing reaction, aka:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion
then we're quite likely to see some other plate bang into the next - dont you think?
now i guess its all a matter of 'geological time' but the way things have been going lately...

[lektrode]

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A couple of decades ago, I started writing a book about the effects of ANOTHER, long runnout landslide off the coast of Hawaii. I stopped because I did not want to impose a great fear upon the general population of the West Coast. During the early 1970's it was discovered that an earlier paper by a USGS geologist, suggesting that the coast of Hawaii was created by gigantic landslides, rather than erosion, was correct. Side Scan surveys of the seabed discovered evidence of 27 gigantic landslides. To give an example, the largest piece of rock, that, before the landslide been above sea level, is; 12Kms long, 6Kms wide and 2Kms thick and now sits 60Kms off shore.........

i'd guess that would be the waimanalo side of oahu, along whats known as the nu`uanu pali (cliff)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cl...e,_Oahu_58.jpg
where the windward side broke off and rolled to the bottom, which mustave been one heluva quake/wave
(why i'm glad my place is at el1500)

I believe that the entire geological structure of the San Francisco Bay and surrounding region was formed as we see it today by a tsunami that blocked the river systems, reduced the level of the seaward side hills by 300 ft and if you have the same event again, such an event will not take out the odd town, but every city on the West coast. I watched a Channel4 TV program some years ago, (cannot find the link), where the geologist sat on a rock in Hawaii and suggested that the next event would be the catastrophe of civilisation.

Kilauea has been dumping a million tons of fresh lava on the sea shore of the main island every day since the mid 1970's. http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hvo/activi...aueastatus.php

There is a 40 mile stretch of the island, 14 miles deep from shore to the back face, moving as a single block towards the sea. It even has the great crack as a tourist feature. http://www.instanthawaii.com/cgi-bin/hawaii?Hikes.crack

yep - been there, and to the geologically-uninquisitive, it looks 'harmless' enuf, as does the coastline within the national park along chain of craters rd - esp to those who like to go out onto the lava 'benches' and down onto the small areas of black sand beach there - but those of us who've explored these parts and understand HOW they got there, one NEVER goes out onto these (nobody who _wants_ to see the next day anyway...) "oh whats the risk, it'll 'never' happen.." have heard em say, as they go merrily cavorting into the abyss.... taint the way i wanna go, but have fun...is all i tellem.

There is reason to believe that my draft book was the trigger for the two movies, Deep Impact and Armageddon, both featuring the potential for a gigantic wave washing over the land. But I decided not to continue. There was no sense in destroying the lives of millions of people with a great fear; when it might not happen for another 10,000 years or so. Certainly just afterwards, (I sent them a copy of the draft), the USGS changed the earthquake reporting from every minor earthquake, (up to ~160 per day), to where it is today, showing only a few. http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquak....-162.-152.php

eye hear _that_ Mr C....

[Chris Coles]

Re: utter devastation

i'd guess that would be the waimanalo side of oahu, along whats known as the nu`uanu pali (cliff)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cl...e,_Oahu_58.jpg
where the windward side broke off and rolled to the bottom, which mustave been one heluva quake/wave
(why i'm glad my place is at el1500)

My understanding is there are areas of tsunami debris well above 1,500 ft from previous events. I merely suggest that in the event, you not rely on your location. Remember, you might be talking about a chunk of land mass, 40 miles long, 10 to 15 miles from beach to rear, sea level to 14,000 ft, (with another 17,000 to the sea bed), all moving into the sea at the same moment. You might well experience waves more than a mile high. Now you see, I am breaking my own promise to myself made many years ago... No one to blame but myself.

Oh! and by the way, would explain why you only have native birds and no land animals.

[Thailandnotes]

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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...r-tsunami.html

satellite photos before and after

[flintlock]

Re: utter devastation

Excellent satellite photos. Really puts things in perspective. Hard to believe there won't be at least 100k killed. How much warning did the coast have about the tsunami? Because what I'm seeing in these photos would mean many more dead if they were not able to reach higher ground.