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  • Is Japan Prepared for Peak Cheap Oil?

    14 February 2011

    From Japan: An Interesting Comment On US Economic Planning, the Dollar, and Peak Cheap Oil


    I shared a copy of this video with a friend in Japan earlier today.

    Prof. Jeffrey Sachs of Columbia University on the Obama Budget

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCPz2SzROFQ


    I received his reply, and it was much more interesting and insightful than I had hoped it would be. Certainly a perspective that I have heard in none of the US based commentary today, a much longer term and more strategic view.

    I am sure there are plenty of problems which Japan faces that we could discuss. It has an aging population, very low birth rates, heavy dependence on imports, and a weak military capability. Its ability to attract and successfully assimilate immigrants is a challenge. Every country has problems.

    I am not quite sure I know the answers about peak cheap oil. But what I think I know is that the challenge to the US is an inability or an unwillingness to think and execute strategically, ie. long term, in non-military matters. I believe this is a result of its system which is heavily oriented towards short term economic incentives, regional military conflicts, and financial speculation.

    The idea that you would allow what are essentially short term financial speculators to make important public policy decisions with far-reaching, long term consequences seems unusual or even lunatic in most parts of the world, and is certainly not a trend in historically successful organizations.

    Within the metrics of energy and infrastructure, the US government is playing checkers in a game of Go. Its greatest leverage now appears to be an ability to kick over the global economic playing table in an act of self-destruction. And that threat is wearing thin.


    A Japanese perspective on the US budget:

    "Unfortunately, the risk of the whole ponzi scheme crashing sooner rather than later is going way up, rapidly.

    They want the dollar to go down by 40%, but I think they are going to lose control, and they might wind up with a 90% panic drop in a few months.

    As I said, Japan, around 1995, went into a full peak cheap oil panic. A lot of the government borrowing went to what is characterized as "building bridges to nowhere", but I would characterize it as building some bridges to nowhere, building some airports in nowhere, and fixing the entire rail and road infrastructure of the country.

    All the bridges and tunnels have been steel plated reinforced, all the bridges are in perfect repair, and the Shinkansen system will next month be extended all the way from Aomori to Kagoshima.

    In other words, I think they knew this 15 years ago and did everything that requires a lot of energy, such as steel, asphalt, cement, and completely the public transit infrastructure. The per capital floor space in Tokyo was doubled.

    So, if we really do have a decade of serious energy problems coming, Japan has become about as energy efficient as it can be, with further improvements coming as appliances are replaced, etc.

    The US has done nearly nothing, although I did note that the gasoline use declined by 7% in one year. There really is a lot of squandering going on. Now, however, the US needs to completely reconstruct its infrastructure, and it doesn't have the money or energy to do it.

    This is why I have thought for more than a decade that the trigger for a really nasty collapse of the dollar would be peak cheap oil.

    Do they realize that if the dollar drops by half that oil becomes $200 a barrel? Gasoline would be over $5, and the country would be paralyzed. If the dollar drops more than that, the existing infrastructure would become nearly useless and worthless.

    I am afraid that the US has already passed the point of no return. Had the cheap oil continued, the ponzi could have continued for a good while longer.

    I think the realization that the cheap oil is gone is the primary motivation for the smash-and-grab behavior we are seeing in the US."


    Perhaps, and it might also be the rationale for the increased military presence surrounding the largest known cheap oil reserves in the world.

    http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot...g-comment.html

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    Re: Is Japan Prepared for Peak Cheap Oil?

    Don

    Nice posts on Fire economy and peak oil. Your comments about allowing short term speculators make policy decisions and the fire vs manufacturing graph reminded me of a quote that I captured from one of John William's posting in Sept 2007. Simple wisdom at its best.

    " Looking at two simplified markets with one man making
    $100,000,000 per year or 1,000 men making $100,000 per year, there will tend to be more
    speculative financial markets in the first case, but more automobiles will be sold in the second
    case. The system tends to be self-adjusting when income variance reaches an extreme, with the
    speculative market bubble eventually bursting and income and economic activity tending to get
    redistributed."

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    • #3
      Re: Is Japan Prepared for Peak Cheap Oil?

      Don. Nice posts on Fire economy and peak oil. Your comments about allowing short term speculators make policy decisions and the fire vs manufacturing graph reminded me of a quote that I captured from one of John William's posting in Sept 2007. Simple wisdom at its best.
      I would not like to inflict my opinions on Don, although I would not mind and would be pleased if they were his as well. Those quotes are mine and I take responsibility for them.

      I also wish to say hello to all my friends here at iTulip and to wish them a belated happy new year.

      I suspect that Eric is keeping you all abreast of things, and I try to keep an eye out for what he says, since he is one of the few who really 'get it' and can 'say it.'

      I don't get around much on chatboards anymore because of the press of personal items, but I enjoy hearing from people and when they point something out to me that is worthwhile it is a great assistance.

      The next two years will be quite interesting, almost historic. If you can watch from a relatively protected place, it could be very educational. I expect to be spending quite a bit of time running around and helping those who are foundering and am already doing so, a little bit here a little bit there, a family here, an individual there. I did obtain a very sweet 'rescue dog' out of this, a nice little Shih Tzu who takes over the household to her liking as effectively as a banker might.

      Eric, thank you for all you do in providing this safe harbor of informed discussion.

      'Jesse'
      Last edited by Jesse; February 15, 2011, 11:32 AM.

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        Re: Is Japan Prepared for Peak Cheap Oil?

        Originally posted by Jesse View Post
        I would not like to inflict my opinions on Don, although I would not mind and would be pleased if they were his as well. Those quotes are mine and I take responsibility for them.

        I also wish to say hello to all my friends here at iTulip and to wish them a belated happy new year.

        I suspect that Eric is keeping you all abreast of things, and I try to keep an eye out for what he says, since he is one of the few who really 'get it' and can 'say it.'

        I don't get around much on chatboards anymore because of the press of personal items, but I enjoy hearing from people and when they point something out to me that is worthwhile it is a great assistance.

        The next two years will be quite interesting, almost historic. If you can watch from a relatively protected place, it could be very educational. I expect to be spending quite a bit of time running around and helping those who are foundering and am already doing so, a little bit here a little bit there, a family here, an individual there. I did obtain a very sweet 'rescue dog' out of this, a nice little Shih Tzu who takes over the household to her liking as effectively as a banker might.

        Eric, thank you for all you do in providing this safe harbor of informed discussion.

        'Jesse'
        I was just about to post this from Jesse when Don did. Although I love itulip, jesse is the first and last site I look at each day.
        jim

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          Re: Is Japan Prepared for Peak Cheap Oil?

          Originally posted by jpetr48 View Post
          Don

          Nice posts on Fire economy and peak oil. Your comments about allowing short term speculators make policy decisions and the fire vs manufacturing graph reminded me of a quote that I captured from one of John William's posting in Sept 2007. Simple wisdom at its best.

          " Looking at two simplified markets with one man making
          $100,000,000 per year or 1,000 men making $100,000 per year, there will tend to be more
          speculative financial markets in the first case, but more automobiles will be sold in the second
          case. The system tends to be self-adjusting when income variance reaches an extreme, with the
          speculative market bubble eventually bursting and income and economic activity tending to get
          redistributed."
          I agree with you on the value of posting these comments but I don't claim ownership. The title at the top and the link at the bottom should make that clear. Should not be an issue.

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          • #6
            Re: Is Japan Prepared for Peak Cheap Oil?

            That and " dude where's the dharma"

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            • #7
              Re: Is Japan Prepared for Peak Cheap Oil?

              Sachs is one of the cohort that also produced Krugman.

              What Sachs is trying to say is that Japan's ridiculous overspending, gigantic deficit, and so forth built up over the near 2 decades of the recent past is somehow justifiable.

              The reality?

              Japan's income is being seriously f'ed up. Japanese companies large and small are being squeezed harder every day: the Japanese economy continues to shrink while the competition even at home from China and South Korea is getting worse every day on the low end, and Germany is clearly winning the high end in the international market.

              So while the Japanese can take their lovely rail systems in the cities, they'll not have much work to go to.

              For those in the countryside, outside of the heavily subsidized rice farmers, life will continue to slide downhill.

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              • #8
                Re: Is Japan Prepared for Peak Cheap Oil?

                Seriously F'd up, yes, but the question is WHICH society is better prepared for the onset of peak-cheap-oil. Anyone care to argue it is the US? (I thought not).

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                  Re: Is Japan Prepared for Peak Cheap Oil?

                  Originally posted by jtabeb View Post
                  Seriously F'd up, yes, but the question is WHICH society is better prepared for the onset of peak-cheap-oil. Anyone care to argue it is the US? (I thought not).

                  The US will become third world within 10 years of it happening. Japan will still be struggling along but still first world.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Is Japan Prepared for Peak Cheap Oil?

                    Originally posted by touchring View Post
                    The US will become third world within 10 years of it happening. Japan will still be struggling along but still first world.
                    Well, conventional peak was rumored to be in 2005, all liquids peak was in 2008, so needless to say 2015-2018 should be a VERY interesting time indeed.

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                      Re: Is Japan Prepared for Peak Cheap Oil?

                      Hey, it is great to see you stop by Jesse. Love your stuff.

                      Your site, this one, Naked Capitalism, and Calculated Risk are the cream of the crop. If I ever get elected president I'll be sure and give you and Eric a call. lol

                      Will

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                      • #12
                        Re: Is Japan Prepared for Peak Cheap Oil?

                        Hmm, I don't know why so many people think that life in Japan is so terrible. Every Japanese person I have asked said that their standard of living has about doubled in the last 20 years. If you look at the GDP, it appears to be static, but yen purchasing power went up a lot during that time, and things have gotten so much cheaper, distribution so much better, and pressure from internet sales so great that even if your salary stayed the same, you are able to buy a whole lot more. Everything has continued to improve. In many places I have been recently you can see a dilapidated 100 year old farm house next to 20 story high rises. In my neighborhood, two-story wooden buildings from the '50s have been replaced with 10 story modern glass and steel in the '90s.

                        Of course there are old neighborhoods with cramped houses, as shown recently on Elaine's blog,
                        http://emsnews.wordpress.com/2011/02...-after-merger/

                        But I can answer some of her questions.

                        Why are the houses so cramped?
                        Because the lots in the older neighborhood she is looking at were laid out 200 years ago, and that was the size of lots at the time. There are maps in a restaurant near my office, and it is amazing to see many of the same surnames on the houses now as 150 years ago. In fact, there is a futon shop that has been in the same building since the 1850s at least. I went to a store 20 years ago that was having a big sale with a banner that said "380 Years in the Same Location". These streets were for pedestrian traffic and people pulling carts, so there is no sidewalk because the road is supposed to be the sidewalk.

                        Why are the houses so flimsy?
                        The houses in Elaine's pictures were built right after the War. Because over the last 300 years wooden houses in Tokyo burned to the ground 20 times (I'm not joking. After the firebombing you could see for miles because nothing over a foot high remained.), houses were not built to last since one could assume there would be a horrendous fire every few decades, and then you rebuild. There are no houses now being built that look like the ones in the Elaine's pics. All the dozens of new houses built in the last 10 years in my neighborhood look like this. Sekisui House is the biggest home builder in Japan.
                        http://www.sekisuihouse.com/products...age/flash.html

                        Why are there so few people on the street?
                        Because GoogleStreetView had so many complaints when they first started taking pictures that they had to redo everything. The StreetView cameras would photograph directly into people's second floor rooms. So when they redid StreetView, they were very careful to do it early on weekends and holidays when there would be few people to be fuzzed out. If windows are frosted, some of that was done to block views into houses. Japanese houses almost always have lace curtains over windows, so you can see out, but you can't see in, and businesses have a short curtain (noren) out front to indicate that they are open for business.

                        What is in Elaine's pics is perhaps 10% of Tokyo. The other 90% looks like this.
                        http://www.wired.com/imageviewer/?im...E&imageCredit=

                        Every single person from the US who has come here, US military officers, senior engineers for Boeing, etc., from New York City, LA, etc., has been in shock when they see Tokyo for the first time. And the other major cities like Nagoya, Kyoto, Osaka, Kobe, Hiroshima, Hakata, along an 800 mile corridor are more or less the same. If you just go and see for yourself, I think you will see that just looking at the numbers is very misleading.

                        Of course the government finances have deteriorated to a crisis point and there could easily be a blow up, but really, all the roads are in perfect repair, the Tokyo subway system that has been under construction for a century is finished, the Bullet Train line is finished, etc. Basically everything you would want to do before the cheap oil runs out has been done.

                        A decade ago, the rule of thumb used to be that serious damage to the US economy starts at $70 a barrel, and a comparable level of damage to the Japanese economy starts at $140 a barrel. However, after seeing the extent to which the entire infrastructure of Japan has been fixed and the improvements in energy efficiency, I think that figure is now higher than $140 a barrel, and I think they can get by with minimal maintenance for about a decade. Unless the next great quake happens in Tokyo. In that case, individuals and insurance companies will cash in their bonds to rebuild.

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                          Re: Is Japan Prepared for Peak Cheap Oil?

                          Originally posted by mooncliff View Post
                          Hmm, I don't know why so many people think that life in Japan is so terrible. Every Japanese person I have asked said that their standard of living has about doubled in the last 20 years. If you look at the GDP, it appears to be static, but yen purchasing power went up a lot during that time, and things have gotten so much cheaper, distribution so much better, and pressure from internet sales so great that even if your salary stayed the same, you are able to buy a whole lot more. Everything has continued to improve. In many places I have been recently you can see a dilapidated 100 year old farm house next to 20 story high rises. In my neighborhood, two-story wooden buildings from the '50s have been replaced with 10 story modern glass and steel in the '90s.
                          Good points.

                          Contrary to "conventional wisdom" corporate profits and "GDP" growth are not the best indicators of the health of a society (although they are if you are in the investor class - but hey life for most is bigger than profit motive). I don't know what's in store for Japan, but all this talk of 2 lost decades rings "investor-centric" to me.

                          A healthy and stable society is one where the average man and woman can raise a family in relative safety and security and have the means to earn a living to raise their children the way they say fit ... and local communities go along way toward this end. Amazingly common sensical; it ain't rocket science.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Is Japan Prepared for Peak Cheap Oil?

                            Also, adjusted for demographics, Japan GDP growth has been the same as that of the US for the last 20 years.

                            http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/20...ot-really-lost

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                              Re: Is Japan Prepared for Peak Cheap Oil?

                              Originally posted by jtabeb
                              Seriously F'd up, yes, but the question is WHICH society is better prepared for the onset of peak-cheap-oil. Anyone care to argue it is the US? (I thought not).
                              From the food aspect, I'd say Japan has big problems.

                              The US, even with high oil, can afford to grow its own food.

                              Originally posted by mooncliff
                              Hmm, I don't know why so many people think that life in Japan is so terrible. Every Japanese person I have asked said that their standard of living has about doubled in the last 20 years. If you look at the GDP, it appears to be static, but yen purchasing power went up a lot during that time, and things have gotten so much cheaper, distribution so much better, and pressure from internet sales so great that even if your salary stayed the same, you are able to buy a whole lot more. Everything has continued to improve. In many places I have been recently you can see a dilapidated 100 year old farm house next to 20 story high rises. In my neighborhood, two-story wooden buildings from the '50s have been replaced with 10 story modern glass and steel in the '90s.
                              All true - and there's a good reason for that: debt to GDP ratio of over 200%.

                              The 'lack of pain' Japan is seeing was bought by spending the entire nation's collective savings and funneled via a thoroughly corrupt construction industry.

                              So my question for you is this: what do you think happens when Japan's government can no longer live beyond its means?

                              Even using a 17 year timeline, the extra government spending is over 10% of GDP - and GDP has still been falling.

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