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  • Peak Cheap Coal

    A synopsis of the Nature article:
    The idea that coal is cheap and plentiful drives much thinking about future world energy consumption. It can explain the resistance of the United States and China to carbon-cutting policies — both countries have lots of coal, and they don’t plan to stop using it anytime soon. But is it a reasonable assumption? Richard Heinberg and David Fridley argue in this week’s Nature that coal prices are likely to start rising much sooner than everyone thinks — perhaps by the end of this decade.


    This prediction is based on two observations. First, several recent studies suggest that high-quality accessible coal reserves will run out much sooner than predicted by official forecasts from the main coal-producing countries. Second, global demand is growing rapidly, mainly driven by China. China is both the world’s biggest producer of coal and its biggest consumer. “Its influence on future coal prices should not be underestimated,” say the authors.

    http://www.energybulletin.net/storie...nature-journal

    During the oil price spike two years ago, even though coal prices also shot up, there was no change in supply because they were already producing flat out, and time lags of years would have been necessary to ramp up production.

    I hadn't realized that Pennsylvania had gone to near zero coal production already.

    This is what Pennsylvania oil production looked like.
    http://www.hubbertpeak.com/us/pa/

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    Re: Peak Cheap Coal

    We been REOPENING all the mines here in Blighty!

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      This 8-part video is a college lecture that explains how we develop bubbles and manias that "nobody saw coming", and why we tend to run out of resources suddenly and much quicker than the "experts" predict. The presenter (I forget his name) is an expert in math as well as geology and mining. His basic premise is that we always get ourselves into trouble because nobody understands the math of exponential growth.

      He makes some very specific predictions on coal, saying that contrary to the belief that we have plenty of coal for generations, we are actually nearing the end of our coal supplies. His mathematical predictions on when we would hit Peak Cheap Oil were very accurate.

      I disagree with his conclusions about global warming, but attribute it to the fact that when he gave this lecture nobody was aware of how the information to the contrary was being suppressed. He does have the humility to ask that people contact him with corrections if they find him in error.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY

      Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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        I have heard this thesis a few times lately. The thing I wonder about is: why is China's continual growth in resource consumption a foregone conclusion? The multitude of people increasing consumption a bit makes it a large marginal change. I get that. But what about demographics? Their population is more dramatically skewed than ours. Will they really keep increasing consumption into retirement? Maybe if there are lots of savings to spend but isn't that against the culture of saving?
        Anyone with experience over there that can elighten me about the culture, please do so. But assuming their consumption decreases into retirement then they face a significant headwind.

        p.s. sorry for ugly pics but thats what I found on wikipedia.



        Last edited by snakela; November 19, 2010, 12:37 PM. Reason: tag correction

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          Re: Peak Cheap Coal

          Originally posted by snakela View Post
          Will they really keep increasing consumption into retirement? Maybe if there are lots of savings to spend but isn't that against the culture of saving?
          An individual or small contingent can save more than average, so end up being able to increase consumption into retirement, relative to others.

          But the population in total can only consume what is produced. If the productivity of the world or of a major nation declines, then their consumption, on average, declines.

          Only those items that have useful lives of decades, such as permanent shelter, elephants, or metal tools, or a people's collective wisdom, understanding, and social structure, can help sustain the consumable wealth of a large group of people, on average, through a multi-decade period of production decline.
          Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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          • #6
            Re: Peak Cheap Coal

            Coal update !
            http://europe.theoildrum.com:80/node...he+Oil+Drum%29
            Mike

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