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    October 18, 2010
    China Plans to Reduce Its Exports of Minerals

    By KEITH BRADSHER

    HONG KONG — The Chinese government plans a further reduction, of up to 30 percent, next year in its quotas for exports of rare earth minerals, in an attempt to conserve dwindling reserves of the materials, the official newspaper China Daily said Tuesday.

    Plans for smaller export quotas come just four days after U.S. trade officials announced they would investigate whether China was violating international trade rules with a wide range of policies to help its clean energy industries. One of the policies under investigation involves China’s steady reductions in rare earth export quotas since 2005 and its imposition of steep taxes on the exports.

    China mines 95 percent of the world’s rare earths. They are crucial for compact fluorescent light bulbs, hybrid gasoline-electric cars, large wind turbines and other clean energy technologies, as well as for mobile phones and a number of military applications, like missiles, sonar and range finders on tanks.

    Chao Ning, a Commerce Ministry official, told a conference in Beijing on Saturday that China had sizable reserves of the lighter elements among the 17 rare earth elements. But he said that the country had only 15 or 20 years’ worth of reserves left of medium and heavy rare earths and that it needed to conserve these. Light rare earths are used in lower-technology applications like oil refining and glass manufacturing, while medium and heavy rare earths are used more in clean energy and military applications.

    China Daily is owned and closely supervised by the Chinese government, and presents official views on a wide range of issues. Its article Tuesday attributed the planned reduction in quotas to an unidentified Commerce Ministry official.

    Bloomberg News quoted another Commerce Ministry official, Jiang Fan, who said at a conference in Xiamen on Tuesday that she was not aware of plans for a further reduction in rare earth exports.

    But a further reduction in quotas for 2011 issued late this year would be consistent with recent Chinese policy. The Chinese government typically makes a main allocation of quotas near the end of the year, followed by a smaller, supplemental allocation in the summer. But the supplemental allocation issued last July was down 72 percent from a year earlier, as Chinese officials called for making sure that their own industries had ample supplies and that heavily polluting illegal mines should be closed.

    Commerce Ministry representatives in Beijing did not answer numerous calls for comment Tuesday.

    Dudley Kingsnorth, a rare earth market analyst at Industrial Minerals Co. of Australia in Perth, said that if China implements a further reduction in export quotas of 30 percent for next year, manufacturers elsewhere could face difficulties.

    “That will create some problems,” he said. “It’ll force some people to look very carefully at the use of rare earths, and we might be reverting to some older technologies until alternative sources of rare earths are developed.”

    Mines are being developed elsewhere, however, and analysts expect them to be producing 40,000 tons a year or more in several years.

    Wang Caifeng, the secretary general of the Chinese Rare Earths Industry Association, predicted at the conference in Xiamen on Tuesday that domestic demand for rare earths in China would soar to 130,000 tons in 2015 from 75,000 tons now, Bloomberg reported. She said that world consumption would be 210,000 tons in 2015, which would seem to indicate that consumption outside China would total 80,000 tons.

    By comparison, the export quotas for this year total just 30,258 tons, down from 65,609 tons in 2005.

    China has halted exports of rare earths to Japan, its biggest foreign customer, since Sept. 21, even though ample export quotas are available for another six weeks of shipments this year, according to rare earth industry executives.

    The suspension of exports began during a dispute over Japan’s detention of the captain of a Chinese fishing trawler near disputed islands; Japan released the captain Sept. 24, but Chinese customs officials have continued to block rare earth exports at major ports, although industry officials say smuggling may have increased.

    Chen Deming, China’s commerce minister, has denied that any embargo is in place, suggesting that the country’s rare earth exporters simultaneously developed feelings toward Japan that caused them to stop shipments. There are 32 authorized rare earth exporters in China, 10 of them foreign-owned.

    World Trade Organization rules bar countries from restricting exports of materials so as to force other countries to buy value-added products, but the rules allow export restrictions for the purpose of conserving natural resources.

    Until recent weeks, Chinese officials said that the export quotas were designed to foster the development of value-added industries. But they have emphasized environmental concerns this autumn as trade frictions have increased.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/bu....html?ref=asia



    Will redrawn borders for China...reduce ethnic tensions....

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    Re: How Would You Like Your Strategic Materials Imports? Rare? Of Course!

    I just put this up on another thread.

    | China Now Halting Shipments of Rare Earth Minerals To US
    | from the not-the-band-rare-earth dept.
    | posted by timothy on Tuesday October 19, @22:44 (Earth)
    |
    | https://news.slashdot.org/story/10/10/19/2347234/China-Now-Halting-Shipments-of-Rare-Earth-Minerals-To-US?from=newsletter
    +-----------------------------------------------------------------------
    +---------------------------------
    blackraven14250 writes with news that China, after putting at least a temporary [0]stop to rare earth exports to Japan, is [1]now doing the same with exports to the US; according to the linked article, this is in response to recent US [2]promises to investigate certain Chinese trade practices.
    Discuss this story at:
    http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10/10/19/2347234&from=newsletter
    Links:
    0.
    http://politics.slashdot.org/story/10/09/23/2035200/China-Embargos-Rare-Earth-Exports-To-Japan
    1. http://www.livescience.com/technology/etc/101019-china-halts-shipments-tech-crucial-minerals.html
    2. http://washingtonindependent.com/100834/obama-administration-says-it-will-investigate-chinas-green-tech-trade-policies

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      Re: How Would You Like Your Strategic Materials Imports? Rare? Of Course!

      Yawn. Rare earth in Canada, US, Australia, etc. Just nobody bothers mining for it.

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      • #4
        Re: How Would You Like Your Strategic Materials Imports? Rare? Of Course!

        Originally posted by blazespinnaker View Post
        Yawn. Rare earth in Canada, US, Australia, etc. Just nobody bothers mining for it.
        It is just the most important ingredient in any modern device that uses the properties of magnetism........

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        • #5
          Re: How Would You Like Your Strategic Materials Imports? Rare? Of Course!

          Too bad there isn't a sensible way to make some money on this issue. Anyone watch the wild ride on this one:
          http://www.google.com/finance?q=AMEX:REE

          Yee-haw!!

          Here is an issue that involves resources, the environment, globalization, etc.. And in the last few days you could watch "pump and dump" unfold. How many boiler room calls and web postings went out on this topic. You would think you could have looked for an investment that involved raising capital in order to mine these minerals in some kind of acceptable method. Instead you could see market bull crap.
          Last edited by goadam1; October 21, 2010, 09:22 PM.

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            Re: How Would You Like Your Strategic Materials Imports? Rare? Of Course!

            Originally posted by goadam1 View Post
            Too bad there isn't a sensible way to make some money on this issue. Anyone watch the wild ride on this one:
            http://www.google.com/finance?q=AMEX:REE

            Yee-haw!!

            Here is an issue that involves resources, the environment, globalization, etc.. And in the last few days you could watch "pump and dump" unfold. How many boiler room calls and web postings went out on this topic. You would think you could have looked for an investment that involved raising capital in order to mine these minerals in some kind of acceptable method. Instead you could see market bull crap.



            I've been checking on rare earth metal stocks since a year ago, but it seems that all companies dealing in it are loss making. I didn't dare to buy any. Even that, prices have mostly doubled or tripled since. Guess I should have made the plunge.

            Prices are now far too high.

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              Re: How Would You Like Your Strategic Materials Imports? Rare? Of Course!

              Originally posted by goadam1 View Post
              Too bad there isn't a sensible way to make some money on this issue. Anyone watch the wild ride on this one:
              http://www.google.com/finance?q=AMEX:REE

              Yee-haw!!

              Here is an issue that involves resources, the environment, globalization, etc.. And in the last few days you could watch "pump and dump" unfold. How many boiler room calls and web postings went out on this topic. You would think you could have looked for an investment that involved raising capital in order to mine these minerals in some kind of acceptable method. Instead you could see market bull crap.
              In two sentences, you have opened the debate to the required level. Most of you are living in the OLD WORLD - FIRE economy, desperately trading exactly the same way as all those hated financial institutions that underpin the FIRE economy. Indeed, you are all a part of the FIRE economy...... YET!.... iTulip is supposed to be about what replaces the FIRE economy.

              Please, think about that!

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                Re: How Would You Like Your Strategic Materials Imports? Rare? Of Course!

                Originally posted by Chris Coles View Post
                In two sentences, you have opened the debate to the required level. Most of you are living in the OLD WORLD - FIRE economy, desperately trading exactly the same way as all those hated financial institutions that underpin the FIRE economy. Indeed, you are all a part of the FIRE economy...... YET!.... iTulip is supposed to be about what replaces the FIRE economy.

                Please, think about that!
                Huh? There is a lot of "itulip orthodox" thinking lately. Maybe I was too glib. My point would be here is a real issue and it is just another fire economy potential plaything. Nothing more.

                Wouldn't it be interesting if capital markets were about funding interesting and potentially profitable investments? I sure would like to invest my money that way.

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                • #9
                  Re: How Would You Like Your Strategic Materials Imports? Rare? Of Course!

                  Originally posted by touchring View Post
                  I've been checking on rare earth metal stocks since a year ago, but it seems that all companies dealing in it are loss making. I didn't dare to buy any. Even that, prices have mostly doubled or tripled since. Guess I should have made the plunge.

                  Prices are now far too high.
                  But everyone knows rare earth stocks only go up! My neighbor used to work a boring job as a doctor saving people's lives but now she lives in a huge mansion making millions on rare earth pink sheets. Buy now before its too late! ;)

                  p.s. Is Dine's the real deal or just another mining stock pimp? I heard him on Puplava's show a while back and he's been very bullish on rare earths. I generally respect Jim's Guests, even that Eric Janzen fellow, so that makes me want to believe in the RE story but who really knows. Has anyone been a long-time follower of Dines?

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                  • #10
                    Re: How Would You Like Your Strategic Materials Imports? Rare? Of Course!

                    Originally posted by goadam1 View Post
                    Wouldn't it be interesting if capital markets were about funding interesting and potentially profitable investments? I sure would like to invest my money that way.
                    Now you are talking! And a lot more of you are going to have to come to the same conclusion before a few of you will figure out just how easy it is.....was..... after all, all those penny mining stocks started out in exactly the same way....

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                    • #11
                      Re: How Would You Like Your Strategic Materials Imports? Rare? Of Course!

                      Originally posted by snakela View Post
                      p.s. Is Dine's the real deal or just another mining stock pimp? I heard him on Puplava's show a while back and he's been very bullish on rare earths. I generally respect Jim's Guests, even that Eric Janzen fellow, so that makes me want to believe in the RE story but who really knows. Has anyone been a long-time follower of Dines?
                      I have subscribed (and continue to subscribe) to The Dines Letter long enough to have been "let in" on Dines' bullish call on rare earth elements (REE). Those who had the guts to put a fair amount at stake in Dines' REE mining company stocks have made a killing. But having guts is the problem: there were a few issues which prevented me from jumping in sooner with bigger money on Dines' recommendations.

                      For starters, most of Dines' REE stock picks are penny stocks that trade shallowly and thus suffer from all of the problems endemic to issues that trade on low volume. Volume has picked up tremendously as the REE story becomes more publicized but when Dines made his initial announcement that REE were his next big idea for a super major bull market, the stocks practically doubled overnight. Subscribers to The Dines Letter were left with a choice: jump in at a substantial mark-up to the called price or wait and hope for a pullback. To the best of my very limited knowledge on this matter, no subscriber was able to purchase Dines' recommendations close to his called price on a percentage basis. I waited and hoped for a pullback which never materialized and eventually bought much higher where I'm sitting on double-digit gains on a relatively small amount of capital risked.

                      My decision to wait and hope for a pullback was driven by the fact that the recommendations were penny stocks and for a second big reason: Dines totally missed the 2008 crash. Dines currently has six lists (I'm hesitant to call them portfolios) of recommended stocks where each list has up to ten stock recommendations. All of Dines' stock recommendations took frightening downturns during the crash and some have never recovered their pre-crash levels.

                      All in all, Dines publishes an interesting news letter that seems to catch some seriously big trends where tremendous speculative profits can be had. The difficulty is knowing when to get on and off the bus. I've often thought about starting a thread here on iTulip to discuss Dines' picks and good entry/exit points. The entry/exit points are critical to profiting from The Dines Letter because once Dines announces a buy or sell, the stocks typically gap up or down by the time subscribers have an opportunity to trade.

                      To date, I've approximately broken even on my investments in the stocks Dines recommends. Due to the nature of some of the stocks he recommends, I've limited the amount of capital I put at-risk on his stock picks: 1% of net worth on REE and 3% on a list of higher-quality precious metals and uranium mining companies (List #2 for those iTulipers who also subscribe to TDL).

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                      • #12
                        Re: How Would You Like Your Strategic Materials Imports? Rare? Of Course!

                        Originally posted by Chris Coles View Post
                        Now you are talking! And a lot more of you are going to have to come to the same conclusion before a few of you will figure out just how easy it is.....was..... after all, all those penny mining stocks started out in exactly the same way....
                        Now we are talking.

                        Anyway, I think molycorp is a real company with a interesting asset. They even put out an ipo for more money. Plus it would be worth it strategically for the west to not rely on China.

                        That said, I wouldn't invest in any of this stuff. I could never understand it and it seems part of the boiler room culture.

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                        • #13
                          Re: How Would You Like Your Strategic Materials Imports? Rare? Of Course!

                          I do not want anyone to misunderstand what I am saying, this is nothing to do with Boiler Rooms or simply investing for the sake of it; the future is all about starting from scratch. Turn the clock right back to the beginning. Everything started out with people taking up the challenge to create new companies and designing, making and selling anything they thought the rest of their community would buy. In the process, employing others around them. If you have funds and you do not invest in your own local people, how else is the nation, any nation, going to climb out of the mess we are all in? It is now not someone else's problem while you walk by on the other side of the street; it is everyone's problem........

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