The Sounds of Science

[don]

Darwin's Finches

[we_are_toast]

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Excellent!

[Southernguy]

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Beutiful

[rabot10]

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what a freaken retard!!!!!!!!!!

[thunderdownunder]

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The perception and acceptance of a greater force is restricted by the limited ability of the human mind to comprehend and understand what is unknowable, by its shear complexity.
It is enough to understand its existence in nature and accept you have no excuse. Darwin's and his work proved it. Darwin was a unwavering believer, He studied Paley's Natural Theology which made an argument for divine design in nature but suffered terribly under the Church condemnation
Science is a gift that continues to unveil that Force.
Answer me this Don, we are of the same age. Why is there a part of you that has not grown old, requires no rest, needs no food and exist today the same as when you where a child. In that answer, you will see "in a mirror dimly" what the mind cannot contain.

[cpnscarlet]

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I've have had a belly full over my 26 years as an aerospace engineer and spacecraft designer with arrogant bastards who claim to "know about science" and spout their trash about Darwinism and parade their anti-Christian/Biblical bigotry like it's a badge of honor.

"Get a hypothesis and test it..." the song says. Well NO ONE HAS EVER proved the change of a species into another by random mutation...ever. And that's the heart of short-sighted Darwin mechanistics. Sure, there's such a thing as Natural Selection, but that is not the same thing as the Theory of Evolution. They are two distinct concepts. Natural selection is the expression of EXISTING genes through pressures on a population. That's why there's all those different finches. They all have the genes, but the environmental conditions favor the expression of a certain set through many generations (or even a few in some cases).

Random mutation 99.9999% of the time gets you one thing...DEAD! There are NO recorded random mutatuions in a species that have made it more successful. And damn few that have kept the organism viable. And when we find them, we make lots of $$$ of them because they are so rare - Munchkin Cats as an example. Can you imagine a Munchkin Cat in the wild trying to run from a predator - viable maybe, survivable no.

And for the final nail in the old Darwin's coffin - Where are the fossils of all the transitional forms? If the Theory of Evolution is true, we should be finding smooth strings of transitional form fossils...we don't. we should be finding hunks of random DNA in every scoop of dirt...we don't. And don't give me that "punctuated evolution" crap. It doesn't wash on a genetic level. To get a correct new protein from an existing DNA strand, you would need many coordinated proper mutations of the DNA sequence at once. The odds are truly astronomical. Oh yeah - for DNA to form, a chemically reducing environment is needed...Earth never had one (iron always turns to rust, even in postulated "primordial earth" atmospheres and oceans).

I'll just say that I've conducted more experiments on various scales than most of you have had hot meals. Only a fool believes a flipped coin can come up heads a thousand times in a row. Only a fool thinks a tornado through a junk yard yields a 747. Only a fool can look at cellular microbiology and call it "chance". And only a fool says in his heart, "There is no God."

DNA is the most sofisticated software...therefore, there is a programmer. Or maybe you think MS WORD is more complicated than DNA.

[don]

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Answer me this Don, we are of the same age. Why is there a part of you that has not grown old, requires no rest, needs no food and exist today the same as when you where a child. In that answer, you will see "in a mirror dimly" what the mind cannot contain.

My wife sums that up as I'm still in part a little boy

[Rajiv]

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You might Like these videos of a lecture by Bruce Lipton

Recent advances in cellular science are heralding an important evolutionary turning point. For almost fifty years we have held the illusion that our health and fate were preprogrammed in our genes, a concept referred to as genetic determinacy. Though mass consciousness is currently imbued with the belief that the character of one's life is genetically predetermined, a radically new understanding is unfolding at the leading edge of science. Cellular biologists now recognize that the environment, the external universe and our internal physiology, and more importantly, our perception of the environment, directly controls the activity of our genes. This video will broadly review the molecular mechanisms by which environmental awareness interfaces genetic regulation and guides organismal evolution.

[Sharky]

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Random mutation 99.9999% of the time gets you one thing...DEAD!

Most mutations are harmless; it's only an infrequent mutation that causes some visible change; causing death is even less frequent.

There are NO recorded random mutatuions in a species that have made it more successful.

That's not correct. Bacteria are a rich area of study in this field, but it's been seen other places, too. Here are a few links to pages that describe one of these studies:

High-level summary:
http://www.dontfeedtheanimals.net/20...evolution.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli...ion_experiment

More details:
http://www.standupwithpetedominick.c...ad.php?p=85115
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...n-the-lab.html

And for the final nail in the old Darwin's coffin - Where are the fossils of all the transitional forms?

The process of fossilization is one of sampling on a very coarse scale. There may be billions of individuals in a species at any one time, and we're lucky if only one of them is fossilized and then later discovered.

[Spartacus]

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http://www.google.com/search?client=...utf-8&oe=utf-8

There are NO recorded random mutatuions in a species that have made it more successful

And for the final nail in the old Darwin's coffin - Where are the fossils of all the transitional forms?

God created those with the power of invisibility ... but they're only invisible to certain people

http://www.google.com/search?client=...utf-8&oe=utf-8

[ThePythonicCow]

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You might Like these videos of a lecture by Bruce Lipton

Awesome. Thank-you, Rajiv.

And thank-you, cpnscarlet, for provoking Rajiv to post those two Lipton videos.

[Spartacus]

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http://www.brucelipton.com/

http://www.brucelipton.com/resource-links/
some interesting resources on this page. Worth a read.

[aaron]

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Nobody has proven the existence of God, nor even a bit of evidence. Darwin's theories DO have evidence. You need to read more.

That was a great song.

[ThePythonicCow]

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I've have had a belly full over my 26 years as an aerospace engineer and spacecraft designer with arrogant bastards who claim to "know about science" and spout their trash about Darwinism and parade their anti-Christian/Biblical bigotry like it's a badge of honor.

Yes, those mechanist Darwinist bigots you describe are misguided.

But notice that their arrogance sticks in your craw and fills your belly. If you feel anger towards their arrogance, then while it is their arrogance, still it is your anger, regardless of how well you can justify it. (Indeed, I find that the adamantly and persistently I find myself justifying something, the more wrong and usually more harmful it really is <grin>.)

As Lipton points out in the videos Rajiv linked, defensive anger is stressful, limiting to one's own well being. It is best to limit one's defensive anger to real threats. I doubt those arrogant bastards are really threatening you for your beliefs. I doubt you risk prison or beatings for what you believe.

When you find anger limiting your well being for no good result (after 26 years!) then reconsider your beliefs about how others should recognize and adapt to what you think. Perhaps those beliefs are both harmful to you and unhelpful to others.

[ThePythonicCow]

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Nobody has proven the existence of God, nor even a bit of evidence.

Proof, whether mathematical or scientific, is not a particularly useful tool in understanding some matters of faith and spirit.

For a somewhat unrelated example, can you prove that either of Beethoven's Fifth or Venus de Milo is (or is not) beautiful?

Darwin's theories DO have evidence. You need to read more.

Evidence that a theory explains some things is not necessarily evidence that it explains all things to which it might apply.

I recommend you view the Lipton videos that Rajiv linked for another view of Darwin.