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    Whitney Says States May Need Federal Bailout in Next 12 Months

    The U.S. government will face pressure to bail out struggling states in the next 12 months, said Meredith Whitney, the banking analyst who correctly predicted Citigroup Inc.’s dividend cut in 2008.

    While saying a bailout might not be politically viable, Whitney joined investor Warren Buffett in raising alarm bells about the potential for widespread defaults in the $2.8 trillion municipal bond market. She said state and local issuers have taken on too much debt and that the gap between public spending and revenue is unsustainable.

    “People will think the federal government will bail these states out,” Whitney, 40, the founder of Meredith Whitney Advisory Group Inc., said in an interview on Bloomberg Television’s “In the Loop.” “It’s going to be an incredibly divisive issue.”

    Whitney’s comments coincide with her release of a report rating the financial health of the 15 largest U.S. states measured by gross domestic product, according to Fortune magazine. The report, which Whitney said took two years to complete and hasn’t been released publicly, ranks California’s finances the worst, with New Jersey, Illinois and Ohio tied for second-worst.

    The longest recession since the Great Depression has left states facing budget gaps of $72 billion next fiscal year, according to a July report by the National Conference on State Legislatures. State pension funds face deficits of more than $1 trillion, according to the Pew Center on the States. The amount of municipal debt outstanding has increased about 90 percent in the last decade, according to Federal Reserve data.

    {snip}

    From 2000 to 2008, while states increased their spending by 60 percent, their revenue base increased by 45 percent. They bridged the gap by using federal aid, raiding their pension funds or by borrowing, Whitney said in a separate interview with Tom Keene on Bloomberg Radio.

    Avoiding ‘Pain’

    “You take on more leverage to avoid long-term pain,” Whitney said.

    U.S. states won’t default, Whitney said. Instead, they will cut aid to local governments, putting them at greater risk. Local governments get one-third of their revenue from state transfers, Whitney said.

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    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...12-months.html

  • #2
    Re: Whitney Says States May Need Federal Bailout in Next 12 Months

    2011 will be the year of gridlock. I think people underestimate the importance of next months elections. It'll be everyone for themselves next year.

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    • #3
      Re: Whitney Says States May Need Federal Bailout in Next 12 Months

      Originally posted by jk View Post
      [B]

      ...The report...ranks California’s finances the worst, with New Jersey, Illinois and Ohio tied for second-worst.

      ..The amount of municipal debt outstanding has increased about 90 percent in the last decade...

      From 2000 to 2008, while states increased their spending by 60 percent, their revenue base increased by 45 percent. They bridged the gap by using federal aid, raiding their pension funds or by borrowing...
      That's what I saw unfold here in Ohio. The past 15 years our state and local gov't went crazy issuing bonds.

      "Vote yes on issue 3, this bond will not raise your taxes!"

      In hindsight "tax and spend" seems more rational and healthy than "borrow and spend" - under the former, citizens feel the bite of foolish spending quickly and vividly.

      Given that the trend is high unemployment for a long time and falling wages for most people, and that those of us doing well can duck taxes and are likely to get even more favorable tax treatment, the outcome is ineveitable; these state and local debts won't be paid on time and in-full. The only group of people required to pay the debt is running out of money fast.
      Last edited by thriftyandboringinohio; October 01, 2010, 09:02 AM.

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      • #4
        Re: Whitney Says States May Need Federal Bailout in Next 12 Months

        Thank Mrs. Captain Obvious

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        • #5
          Re: Whitney Says States May Need Federal Bailout in Next 12 Months

          Originally posted by chr5648 View Post
          Thank Mrs. Captain Obvious
          there are not many mainstream commentators saying these things. what's obvious in a web chat room is not obvious to the world at large. whitney's comments are part of the process of the broader audience getting adjusted to reality. she's waaay ahead of the curve for a mainstream wall street analyst.

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          • #6
            Re: Whitney Says States May Need Federal Bailout in Next 12 Months

            Originally posted by chr5648 View Post
            Thank Mrs. Captain Obvious
            yeah, i was just going to say this is about the understatement of the year... But she is mostly mainstream, so the MSM is just waking up to this...

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            • #7
              Re: Whitney Says States May Need Federal Bailout in Next 12 Months

              That's Mrs. Lt. Colonel Obvious , please.

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              • #8
                Re: Whitney Says States May Need Federal Bailout in Next 12 Months

                Originally posted by jk View Post
                there are not many mainstream commentators saying these things. what's obvious in a web chat room is not obvious to the world at large. whitney's comments are part of the process of the broader audience getting adjusted to reality. she's waaay ahead of the curve for a mainstream wall street analyst.
                Who cares about the mainstream, when has the mainstream analysts or MSM ever had your best interests in their hearts and minds? So just because someone with a brain gets sifted through the MSM strainer, says something intelligent on TV, we're now supposed to hope that the MSM will change, grow a conscience, and have your interests at heart?

                PS. On a philosophical note, how do we know Mrs. Captain Obvious has your interests at heart?

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                • #9
                  Re: Whitney Says States May Need Federal Bailout in Next 12 Months

                  So it must be time to by the bonds of these states that need bailouts,right? Is this what's she and the MSM are selling?

                  I know a guy who went all in on junk bonds at their trough in the fall of 2008, and has done pretty well. I asked him how he could stomach that risk when the economy appeared to be imploding and his answer was a simple: "because I knew the government would step in and prevent failure".

                  Same thing now with the equity markets. Buy b/c QE II is on the way.

                  What a bullshit system ... but few are complaining ... most are too self absorbed or "smart" and know to play along with the game.

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                    Re: Whitney Says States May Need Federal Bailout in Next 12 Months

                    Originally posted by chr5648 View Post
                    Who cares about the mainstream, when has the mainstream analysts or MSM ever had your best interests in their hearts and minds? So just because someone with a brain gets sifted through the MSM strainer, says something intelligent on TV, we're now supposed to hope that the MSM will change, grow a conscience, and have your interests at heart?

                    PS. On a philosophical note, how do we know Mrs. Captain Obvious has your interests at heart?
                    i don't care whose interests she has. this is part of the market process as it unfolds over time. [einstein said time exists so everything won't happen at once.] she points to the risk in munis, and the overabundance of munis. saying the federal gov't will bail out the states means more money printing. thus, she is giving another pointer to the ongoing debasing of the dollar.

                    it is only as the mainstream wakes up to gold, for example, that we will have the rest of the 2nd leg and then the 3rd leg of gold's bull market [when every tom, dick and harry is buying gold]*. news spreads, and as it spreads prices change. if you are early in your perceptions, good for you. but it is only the awakening of the rest of the market participants that brings your perception to fruition. get it?


                    *
                    stage 0 - goldbugs only;
                    stage 1- early adopters who could foresee money printing through the haze of the credit bubble- bought gold below 500;
                    stage 2- early mainstream, hedgies like paulson and soros;
                    stage 3- the whole wide world
                    Last edited by jk; October 01, 2010, 11:23 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Whitney Says States May Need Federal Bailout in Next 12 Months

                      Originally posted by jk View Post
                      i don't care whose interests she has. this is part of the market process as it unfolds over time. [einstein said time exists so everything won't happen at once.] she points to the risk in munis, and the overabundance of munis. saying the federal gov't will bail out the states means more money printing. thus, she is giving another pointer to the ongoing debasing of the dollar.
                      Discussion of Muni's reminded me of a point EJ made here.

                      The reason the default rate on muni bonds is so low is that personal and business cash flows to pay them off are virtually guaranteed. Before a municipality defaults on its bonds, it will lay off every teacher, policeman, and fire fighter, and default on pension obligations. The way municipal governments figure it, if they lose their credit rating they’re sunk, no to mention they’ll lose their own jobs. So there’s always enough money to pay the bonds, even if there’s no money for anything else.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Whitney Says States May Need Federal Bailout in Next 12 Months

                        Another example of promises baby boomers made to themselves that will not be kept ... if the "adults" step in. First it was 401k. Now, state pensions are ridiculous. Health care adjustment coming.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Whitney Says States May Need Federal Bailout in Next 12 Months

                          Originally posted by jk View Post
                          Whitney Says States May Need Federal Bailout in Next 12 Months

                          The U.S. government will face pressure to bail out struggling states in the next 12 months, said Meredith Whitney, the banking analyst who correctly predicted Citigroup Inc.’s dividend cut in 2008...

                          ...Whitney’s comments coincide with her release of a report rating the financial health of the 15 largest U.S. states measured by gross domestic product, according to Fortune magazine. The report, which Whitney said took two years to complete and hasn’t been released publicly, ranks California’s finances the worst, with New Jersey, Illinois and Ohio tied for second-worst...
                          Not exactly confidence inspiring, is it?
                          Budget analyst: California deficit reaches a staggering $25.4 billion

                          November 10, 2010 | 12:22 pm

                          California faces a far-larger budget shortfall than state officials were projecting only weeks ago. The deficit over the next year and half has soared to $25.4 billion, the state’s chief budget analyst said on Wednesday.

                          The startling figure means the state faces an even tougher budget challenge than it did leading up to the passage of the current spending plan...

                          ...the spending plan signed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and approved by legislators 33 days ago relied on billions in accounting gimmicks, rosy assumptions and unlikely handouts from Washington, according to the report from the nonpartisan Legislative Analyst's Office.

                          The new $25.4-billion shortfall will confront governor-elect Jerry Brown from the moment he is sworn into office in January...

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                          • #14
                            Re: Whitney Says States May Need Federal Bailout in Next 12 Months

                            Originally posted by vinoveri View Post
                            So it must be time to by the bonds of these states that need bailouts,right? Is this what's she and the MSM are selling?

                            I know a guy who went all in on junk bonds at their trough in the fall of 2008, and has done pretty well. I asked him how he could stomach that risk when the economy appeared to be imploding and his answer was a simple: "because I knew the government would step in and prevent failure".

                            Same thing now with the equity markets. Buy b/c QE II is on the way.

                            What a bullshit system ... but few are complaining ... most are too self absorbed or "smart" and know to play along with the game.

                            Unless they're from the states in question members of Congress have to know backing a bailout of California or Illinois is akin to signing their political death warrant.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Whitney Says States May Need Federal Bailout in Next 12 Months

                              How long before there is a moving van shortage in California?

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