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    Resale Fees That Only Developers Could Love

    By JANET MORRISSEY

    REBECCA AND TRENT DUPAIX of Eagle Mountain, Utah, spent a year searching for their dream home. The couple, who have five children, considered 15 to 20 houses before finding “the one.”

    They were thrilled when they closed on a $227,000, rock-and-stucco home with five bedrooms and two and a half baths in March 2009.

    But four months later, when a local television reporter was doing a story on housing taxes in their subdivision, the Dupaixs discovered that their sales contract included a “resale fee” that allows the developer to collect 1 percent of the sales price from the seller every time the property changes hands — for the next 99 years.

    Mrs. Dupaix, 34, says she and her husband had no clue about the fee when they closed on the house. “Of course we were upset,” she says. “We didn’t know about it, and our closer at the title company didn’t know about it.”

    Other buyers gutsy enough to venture into the battered housing market in the hope of scoring a bargain might be wise to check the fine print before popping open the Champagne and signing on the dotted line.

    A growing number of developers and builders have been quietly slipping “resale fee” covenants into sales agreements of newly built homes in some subdivisions. In the Dupaix contract, the clause was in a separate 13-page document — called the declaration of covenants, conditions and restrictions — that wasn’t even included in the closing papers and did not require a signature.

    The fee, sometimes called a capital recovery fee or private transfer fee, has been gaining popularity among companies that have been frantically searching for new ways to gain access to cash in the depressed housing market.

    “Developers are desperate,” says David Steffensen, a lawyer and a former developer in Salt Lake City. “They’re facing projects that are upside down” because the property value has fallen below the loan.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/12/bu...l?ref=business


    not to be performed within the confines of the title company....

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    Re: New Shearing Technique Touted

    I worked for a developer and understand the business pretty well, they are ruthless when it comes to the legalese. But, this is something new, I have never seen this.

    Soon these resale contracts will be securitzed and traded.

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    • #3
      Re: New Shearing Technique Touted

      Another article I read on this subject states that securitization is exactly the goal. If a home changes ownership every 10 years, that's $22k of future income, the present value of which is probably $5k in today's market.

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        Re: New Shearing Technique Touted

        Originally posted by don View Post
        Resale Fees That Only Developers Could Love

        By JANET MORRISSEY

        REBECCA AND TRENT DUPAIX of Eagle Mountain, Utah, spent a year searching for their dream home. The couple, who have five children, considered 15 to 20 houses before finding “the one.”

        They were thrilled when they closed on a $227,000, rock-and-stucco home with five bedrooms and two and a half baths in March 2009.

        But four months later, when a local television reporter was doing a story on housing taxes in their subdivision, the Dupaixs discovered that their sales contract included a “resale fee” that allows the developer to collect 1 percent of the sales price from the seller every time the property changes hands — for the next 99 years.

        Mrs. Dupaix, 34, says she and her husband had no clue about the fee when they closed on the house. “Of course we were upset,” she says. “We didn’t know about it, and our closer at the title company didn’t know about it.”

        Other buyers gutsy enough to venture into the battered housing market in the hope of scoring a bargain might be wise to check the fine print before popping open the Champagne and signing on the dotted line.

        A growing number of developers and builders have been quietly slipping “resale fee” covenants into sales agreements of newly built homes in some subdivisions. In the Dupaix contract, the clause was in a separate 13-page document — called the declaration of covenants, conditions and restrictions — that wasn’t even included in the closing papers and did not require a signature.

        The fee, sometimes called a capital recovery fee or private transfer fee, has been gaining popularity among companies that have been frantically searching for new ways to gain access to cash in the depressed housing market.

        “Developers are desperate,” says David Steffensen, a lawyer and a former developer in Salt Lake City. “They’re facing projects that are upside down” because the property value has fallen below the loan.

        http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/12/bu...l?ref=business


        not to be performed within the confines of the title company....
        Fraud, pure and simple. Won't hold up in court. Good luck ever collecting these fees.

        This sort of thing needs to be in big letters and in bold on the first page of any contract and needs to be initialized by the buyer.

        That being said, they're not such a bad idea as long as they're declared up front. It's a way to help build communities because people who are only actually interested in living somewhere long term rather than flipping it are going to buy in.

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        • #5
          Re: New Shearing Technique Touted

          Originally posted by goodrich4bk View Post
          Another article I read on this subject states that securitization is exactly the goal. If a home changes ownership every 10 years, that's $22k of future income, the present value of which is probably $5k in today's market.
          Probably a lot more than 22K of future income. 99 years? Those houses will probably be worth about 2M in 90 years. That's 20K right there. I'd estimate probably about 70K in future income.

          Unfortunately, the administration costs of this sort of thing are probably rather high. I'm not sure it's really worth while except to discourage flippers.

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          • #6
            Re: New Shearing Technique Touted

            Originally posted by blazespinnaker View Post
            Probably a lot more than 22K of future income. 99 years? Those houses will probably be worth about 2M in 90 years. That's 20K right there. I'd estimate probably about 70K in future income.
            Basically it is an inflation adjusted income. The real value of an inflation adjusted income (in a sane world, all else being equal -- someplace on the other side of the rainbow) is the same regardless of inflation. So the easiest way to figure what it's worth is to consider the case of zero inflation. In other words, the $22K figure is realistic. If inflation drives the nominal amount up, those cheaper dollars will be worth that much less.
            Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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            • #7
              Re: New Shearing Technique Touted

              Talk about chutzpah.
              Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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              • #8
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                How come you guys always (rightly) point out how sleazy and unethical "the man" can be, yet you never bother to point out how these 'victims' fail to take even the most elementary steps to avoid becoming victimized? How about reading a contract for starters? What about the crazy concept of buying a $15 "how to buy your first home" book and taking the advice there? (that being "read the contract" and "hire an attorney to read it for you")

                Or are we just resigned to becoming a nation of nit-wit wussies who need a daddy figure (which will be government) to protect us from each and every scam out there?

                There is a thing called "the way of the world" and when you start messing with that you get unintended consequences. One of which is that the stupid and lazy continue to multiply and prosper, when in the old "way of the world", they would fail. Or does the concept of rewarding the prudent and wise nauseate us so much that we can't stand it?

                Shouldn't the fool who spends his time watching American Idol instead of reading a contract on the single most important purchase of his life deserve to pay a 1% "stupid tax" to teach him a lesson? The developers are not blameless, but neither are their 'victims'.

                Isn't part of the reason why we have a housing crash the fact that we tried to shove people into home ownership who probably couldn't handle it? Rewarding mental laziness and foolishness will only result in more of it.

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                • #9
                  Re: New Shearing Technique Touted

                  Originally posted by Bruno T View Post
                  How come you guys always (rightly) point out how sleazy and unethical "the man" can be, yet you never bother to point out how these 'victims' fail to take even the most elementary steps to avoid becoming victimized? How about reading a contract for starters? What about the crazy concept of buying a $15 "how to buy your first home" book and taking the advice there? (that being "read the contract" and "hire an attorney to read it for you")

                  Or are we just resigned to becoming a nation of nit-wit wussies who need a daddy figure (which will be government) to protect us from each and every scam out there?

                  There is a thing called "the way of the world" and when you start messing with that you get unintended consequences. One of which is that the stupid and lazy continue to multiply and prosper, when in the old "way of the world", they would fail. Or does the concept of rewarding the prudent and wise nauseate us so much that we can't stand it?

                  Shouldn't the fool who spends his time watching American Idol instead of reading a contract on the single most important purchase of his life deserve to pay a 1% "stupid tax" to teach him a lesson? The developers are not blameless, but neither are their 'victims'.

                  Isn't part of the reason why we have a housing crash the fact that we tried to shove people into home ownership who probably couldn't handle it? Rewarding mental laziness and foolishness will only result in more of it.
                  I generally agree and applaud everything you said here, but legal contracts have purposely become designed to bury important details under miles of legalese. Do you read the "terms of agreement" that pops up on every bit of downloaded software you use? I know I don't. But a real estate contract should be read top to bottom, I agree. I just think this in no way absolves those who use scumbag tactics to get something for nothing.

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                    Re: New Shearing Technique Touted

                    Originally posted by flintlock View Post
                    I generally agree and applaud everything you said here, but legal contracts have purposely become designed to bury important details under miles of legalese. Do you read the "terms of agreement" that pops up on every bit of downloaded software you use? I know I don't. But a real estate contract should be read top to bottom, I agree. I just think this in no way absolves those who use scumbag tactics to get something for nothing.
                    +1. And I am an attorney. Yet I have not once read the 64 page Terms of Use agreement that pops up every few months on my iPhone. Why not? Because what am I going to do if I don't like a term I see ... NOT click "I agree" and brick my phone? Somehow obtain a printout of the contract, mark it up and fax it over the Steve Jobs?

                    Right ... right ...

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                    • #11
                      Re: New Shearing Technique Touted

                      A growing number of developers and builders have been quietly slipping “resale fee” covenants into sales agreements of newly built homes in some subdivisions. In the Dupaix contract, the clause was in a separate 13-page document — called the declaration of covenants, conditions and restrictionsthat wasn’t even included in the closing papers and did not require a signature.
                      For Jill and Joe Sixpack, this sleight of hand would be more than sufficient to slip in the poison pill....

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                      • #12
                        Re: New Shearing Technique Touted

                        DAMN, with my interest in agriculture, I actually thought this post might be about shearing real sheep, not just sheeple...



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                          A growing number of developers and builders have been quietly slipping “resale fee” covenants into sales agreements of newly built homes in some subdivisions. In the Dupaix contract, the clause was in a separate 13-page document — called the declaration of covenants, conditions and restrictions — that wasn’t even included in the closing papers and did not require a signature.
                          How in tarnation can the owner of a piece of property be legally bound by something of which they were not informed and to which they never gave consent ??

                          Or, in other words, just how were the owners supposed to even know about this?
                          Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                            Re: New Shearing Technique Touted

                            Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
                            How in tarnation can the owner of a piece of property be legally bound by something of which they were not informed and to which they never gave consent ??

                            Or, in other words, just how were the owners supposed to even know about this?
                            Cow- See Black's audit of loan docs, terminated when apparently they were all fraudulently altered after closings.

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                            • #15
                              Re: New Shearing Technique Touted

                              Notice that the resale fee is in the CC&R's. These are binding on the buyer as an "implied" consent when they take title. The usual CC&R's involve things like community obligations, standard, etc. which almost nobody reads when they close escrow. They are nevertheless legally enforcable until a judge says they are not. If I were these buyers I'd sue now to have a court invalidate the provision as an unfair business practice/fraud/restraint on alienation and just plain evil. In this climate I think they'd win.

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