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    Roberta and Randall Strand took $97,606 out of their paid-off house to buy a foreclosed home at a courthouse auction. Five months later, they found out they actually bought the second mortgage, and that the bank planned to foreclose on the first mortgage, leaving them out in the cold.

    The family received and recorded a "trustee's deed upon sale" in November 2009, shortly after the auction, without realizing that they had bought a second mortgage. They showed a locksmith this deed to have the house's locks changed, which they said the auctioneer had suggested. The Strands' daughter, Hayley Strand, and her fiance, Bryan Janbay, moved into the house, about a mile from her parents in the Santa Cruz County town of Boulder Creek.

    They spent more than six weeks and $13,000 fixing up the house, which they described as in terrible shape with broken windows and no plumbing, light fixtures or appliances.

    "They were born and raised here, and we bought the house to keep them close," Roberta Strand said. "The plan was that we would float them the cash for the home, then they would get their own mortgage and pay us back."

    In April 2010, a notice was posted on the home's front door that it would soon be auctioned at a courthouse sale - just like the one where the Strands had bid.

    "Apparently, unbeknown to us, Wachovia sold us a worthless second mortgage that was part of a piggyback loan made to the" previous owners, Roberta Strand said. "Both loans were originated, signed and recorded on the same date. Rather than foreclose on both loans at the same time, Wachovia chose to foreclose, market and sell the worthless junior lien, purporting it to be the real property, which is what we purchased."

    Wells Fargo, which owns Wachovia, said in a statement: "We believe the foreclosure auction of the property on which the Strand family bid was done correctly, and are confident the legal resolution to this matter will bear that out."

    How could such a situation happen?

    Courthouse-step auctions, also called trustee's sales, are the final step of the foreclosure process in California. Homes sold at these auctions carry no guarantees on their condition or title. The vast majority revert to lenders. A handful are sold to outside investors, who must pay cash, and must accept the property as is.

    Jason Menke, a spokesman for Wells, said: "When these properties are sold at auction, they're without covenant or warranty. It's the responsibility of the person bidding at auction to fully understand exactly what they are bidding on and what the implications are. Bidding on property at foreclosure auction is a very different process from a standard home purchase."

    The Strands found the house on RealtyTrac, a subscription website that lists foreclosure actions filed with the county. They drove by and looked in the windows. They thought the house was probably worth about $200,000. (This month Santa Cruz assessed the home for tax purposes at $200,000.)

    Didn't getting it for half price raise any red flags?

    "We thought, this is a good deal, but didn't think it was a great deal," Roberta said. "The house was a mess."

    Did they think they had clear title?

    "It didn't occur to me that a bank could auction off a worthless piece of paper," Roberta said. She looked up the property's records at the courthouse. Since both loans were recorded at the same time and date, she mistakenly thought it was a single loan.

    Why would a bank sell a second mortgage that may have no value?

    While Wells declined to directly answer this question, its legal filings in this case said California law adds a 90-day delay to the foreclosure process for first mortgages. Second mortgages can be foreclosed upon more quickly, which presumably is what happened in this case. Wells had to offer the second mortgage in a courthouse-step auction because California requires that as part of the foreclosure process.

    The few investors who do bid at courthouse auctions generally are sophisticated enough to research outstanding liens. If no one bids - as happens more than 90 percent of the time - the loan automatically reverts to the lender.

    It would be a rare investor nowadays who would bid on a junior lien, so the expected outcome would have been the loan going back to the lender.

    A second mortgage could have value if a home were worth more than the two mortgages. For instance, if a million-dollar home had a first mortgage of $500,000 and a second mortgage of $200,000, the second lien would have value. However, in today's market when many homes are underwater - worth less than the loan amount - it would be highly unusual to find a second mortgage at a foreclosure auction that was worth anything.

    "It can be a problem when people new to foreclosure purchasing go to an auction and don't really know what they're bidding on," said Rick Sharga, vice president of RealtyTrac. "That's why we strongly counsel people new to foreclosure purchasing to stay away from trustee's sales and sheriff's sales. People will think they're getting a great deal on a property and wind up getting a second mortgage. Or they'll buy properties and find incredible damage or flaws because it's almost impossible to inspect them in advance."

    Before they got the notice of the trustee sale, the Strands had received a notice of default for the previous owner and tried to contact Wachovia, but it wouldn't talk to them since their names were not on that loan.

    The Strands hired an attorney. A judge said he would only halt the foreclosure sale if they put up a $650,000 bond, which they were unable to do.

    In its response to the Strand lawsuit, Wells' attorney wrote: "Plaintiffs failed to investigate readily available public information to determine the nature of the foreclosure sale. ... A simple review of the notice of sale and the recorded trust deeds would have revealed that the sale involved a junior position lien."

    The lawyer said - and the judge agreed - that the auctioneer has no obligation to disclose whether loans being sold are first or second liens.

    The first mortgage was auctioned on July 22 for $298,000; there were no bidders and the property reverted to Wells.

    Wells and the family negotiated a confidential settlement and were finalizing details late last week.

    Hayley Strand and Janbay now plan to move to Washington state.

    "We bought the house to keep them close," Roberta Strand said. "What's really sad is I feel as if I'm losing my family."

    Foreclosure auctions

    Auctions called trustee's sales are held daily on courthouse steps throughout California. This is the final step in the state's foreclosure process. Most properties revert to lenders at these sales, but a handful go to investors. Here are tips for people interested in buying a foreclosed property at auction:

    -- Engage a real estate attorney and/or a professional investor.
    -- Hire a title company to make sure there are no liens.
    -- Observe some auctions before bidding.
    -- Research the property history at the county recorder's office or subscription websites like RealtyTrac and ForeclosureRadar.
    -- Be prepared to pay cash.
    -- Understand that the property has no guarantees on title or condition.
    -- Consider buying a bank-owned property instead. These come with clear title.

    They are sold on the open market by real estate agents. Some go on the block at mass auctions in public venues run by professional auction companies.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNRU1EL529.DTL

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    Re: Caveat Emptor: 2nd Mortgage Foreclosures

    This article is rife with innacuracies, but then I'm picky with this subject matter..

    "Five months later, they found out they actually bought the second mortgage"
    No, they didn't buy a second mortgage they bought a house encumbered by a first mortgage.

    "Wachovia chose to foreclose, market and sell the worthless junior lien, purporting it to be the real property, which is what we purchased."
    Wachovia purported nothing, you bid, you won, you got the property.


    "It didn't occur to me that a bank could auction off a worthless piece of paper," Roberta said. She looked up the property's records at the courthouse. Since both loans were recorded at the same time and date, she mistakenly thought it was a single loan.
    Key words "It didn't occur to me" and "mistakenly". Roberta's mistake not the banks. Live and learn.

    Why would a bank sell a second mortgage that may have no value?
    Once again they didn't sell the mortgage they foreclosed it. And there is no representation of value or lack thereof in the process.

    The few investors who do bid at courthouse auctions generally are sophisticated enough to research outstanding liens.
    Another key concept lost on the buyer.


    Here are tips for people interested in buying a foreclosed property at auction:

    -- Engage a real estate attorney and/or a professional investor.
    -- Hire a title company to make sure there are no liens.
    Both of these suggestions are prohibitively expensive. Anyone who is going to the courthouse steps to bid will typically be reviewing dozens if not hundreds of properties per week. Some small percentage will represent an opportunity. Engaging an attorney or title company to research several properties per week will bankrupt you in no time.

    -- Research the property history at the county recorder's office or subscription websites like RealtyTrac and ForeclosureRadar.
    The web sites are going to provide general information - not enough to assess risk. You have to learn how to research title at the recorder's office to ensure there are no superior liens - including mechanics liens, property taxes, IRS liens etc.

    -- Observe some auctions before bidding.
    -- Be prepared to pay cash.
    -- Understand that the property has no guarantees on title or condition.
    -- Consider buying a bank-owned property instead. These come with clear title.
    Finally a couple of nuggets of wisdom.

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    • #3
      Re: Caveat Emptor: 2nd Mortgage Foreclosures

      The social contract implied by almost all corporate charters that in exchange for limited liability they must act in the public good. This is especially amplified with Banks who receive even more special privileges due to their money creation role in the economy . These people acted in good faith and got screwed. Deconstructing the language of the situation does not change the un-ethical behavior of Wells Fargo.

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      • #4
        Re: Caveat Emptor: 2nd Mortgage Foreclosures

        Originally posted by swgprop View Post
        This article is rife with innacuracies, but then I'm picky with this subject matter..
        Thanks for cleaning up that mess. It makes more sense now.
        Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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        • #5
          Re: Caveat Emptor: 2nd Mortgage Foreclosures

          Banks foreclose on second mortgages and take possession of underwater homes in exactly this way every day and have for generations. I fail to see that Wells did anything unethical in this process. Wells wanted to take back the property that the unpaid 2nd was based on. The public process gives everybody and anybody the right to take that ownership thereby denying the bank an unfair home-acquisition advantage.

          These people may have acted in good faith... but they were stupid. And remember, their transaction wasn't with the bank, it was with the county who canceled Wells's second, accepted their money and transferred ownership of the house to them. The court-house steps foreclosure process and court recorders office are there for a reason and have both been around forever.

          Complex real estate transactions require knowledge and expertise. These folks didn't have it. Maybe they can sue the guys that sold 'em the one-day seminar...

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          • #6
            Re: Caveat Emptor: 2nd Mortgage Foreclosures

            Originally posted by sunskyfan View Post
            The social contract implied by almost all corporate charters that in exchange for limited liability they must act in the public good. This is especially amplified with Banks who receive even more special privileges due to their money creation role in the economy . These people acted in good faith and got screwed. Deconstructing the language of the situation does not change the un-ethical behavior of Wells Fargo.
            Lets talk real world. Clearly all of the TBTF banks have violated the terms of said social contract, I assume something is in the works to mete out the appropriate punishment, yes? Or no.

            I don't see this as an ethical issue. California civil code dictates the foreclosure process. If Wells/Wachovia adhered to the letter of the law the sale should be final and the purchasers learn a valuable, albeit expensive lesson. Acting in good faith doesn't negate stupidity.

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            • #7
              Re: Caveat Emptor: 2nd Mortgage Foreclosures

              If you have ever been to a sheriffs foreclosure auction at least here in new jersey, you know that only sophisticated and informed investors participate. These people are the only ones to blame, the foreclosure game is not for amateurs. Suckers who see an infomercial and think they'll be millionaires.

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              • #8
                Re: Caveat Emptor: 2nd Mortgage Foreclosures

                These folks weren't performing open heart surgery on their own. Who would buy a worthless second mortgage if that was what was represented to them? Trust me, Wells Fargo was not going "oh no there is a mistake here" they we saying "sucker".

                It was the same "in the know" and experts that enabled this mess by either taking advantage of it directly or not stepping into the political debate to help stop it all.

                My guess is that it is okay to take that twenty that the sixteen year old girl at the burger stand gave you for change when she should have given you a ten? After all, you are smarter and more experienced than she is.

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                • #9
                  Re: Caveat Emptor: 2nd Mortgage Foreclosures

                  Who would buy a worthless second mortgage if that was what was represented to them?
                  No offense Sunskyfan but you don't understand the process. There are no representations made. There is a deed of trust on record (could be one of many). The borrower defaults on the terms of said DOT. Lender initiates foreclosure which culminates in a trustee's sale. Terms of sale are the ultimate "buyer beware". The only thing you can be assured of if you are the successful bidder (showing up with cashier's checks only by the way) is that you will receive a deed in a couple of weeks that gives you fee simple ownership of the property.

                  That's what happened. I've been to many trustee's sales. There are always unsophisticated buyers/observers in the crowd. They ask questions about the property or lien position and the trustee never answers because they do not know and if they did would not accept the liability inherent with answering . It isn't their job. They follow a process to the letter of the law. It may not be fair or nice. But that's why this model represents opportunities for savvy investors. High risk = high potential returns. Or high losses if you screw up.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Caveat Emptor: 2nd Mortgage Foreclosures

                    The lesson that I learned from reading about this experience was TO NEVER WAVE CASH IN THE AIR AT ANY LOCATION, COURTHOUSE STEPS OR WHEREVER. Instead, I would have the seller come to me: WE WOULD PLAY THE GAME KNOWN AS "CONVINCE ME", AND I WOULD HAVE A LAWYER OR TITLE COMPANY IN FRONT OF ME, WHATEVER IT COSTS FOR THIS PROTECTION. I would adjust my bid down, according to the cost of protection.

                    The fact that these games of mis-treating buyers are still being played in California tells me that the real estate market has barely dropped from the peak. Cash is still not king there. The entire state has "an attitude", so it is too early to buy yet.

                    "HELLO, I'M JOHNNY CASH. CONVINCE ME: WHY SHOULD I BUY THIS PROPERTY? And if it is such a deal, YOU pay my lawyer and present me with Clear Title. I don't give a sh*t what your normal procedures are because I AM THE MARKET; I'M JOHNNY CASH. Please don't waste my time because I have a busy day ahead."

                    When cash talks in California, then it might be time to buy. And then you don't buy garbage in Boulder Creek that needs .... etc. When it is time to buy, you will be greeted and taken to Saratoga or Los Gatos, Palo Alto or Menlo Park, San Francisco or Berkeley. You will be shown real nice homes in nice neighbourhoods........Then you would know when "the California attitude" has vanished...... Then, and only then, it might be time to buy.
                    Last edited by Starving Steve; August 02, 2010, 09:27 PM. Reason: My mother and I discussed this article to-day about the so-called "deal" in Boulder Creek.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Caveat Emptor: 2nd Mortgage Foreclosures

                      Originally posted by sunskyfan View Post
                      These folks weren't performing open heart surgery on their own. Who would buy a worthless second mortgage if that was what was represented to them? Trust me, Wells Fargo was not going "oh no there is a mistake here" they we saying "sucker".

                      It was the same "in the know" and experts that enabled this mess by either taking advantage of it directly or not stepping into the political debate to help stop it all.

                      My guess is that it is okay to take that twenty that the sixteen year old girl at the burger stand gave you for change when she should have given you a ten? After all, you are smarter and more experienced than she is.
                      No, it's not open heart surgery, but it is reasonably complicated which is why the whole Real Estate Agent, Real Estate Attorney, and Trust Company industries exist. No buyer was taken advantage of here any more than if you buy a short that's out of the money and expiring tomorrow. Either way you're just being stupid.

                      Nothing was "represented to them." They didn't buy a "worthless second mortage." They bought a piece of property which happened to have become available because of the default on a second mortgage. When you buy a piece of property, you are responsible for all encumbrances against it including rights of way, liens, mortgages, etc. In addition the house could've been red-tagged for tear-down by the county, it could've been marked uninhabitable due to zoning laws, it might've been discovered to be a toxic waste dump by the military in the distant past. There is no "political debate" here. There is no representation at a courthouse steps auction except parcel number. All due diligence is your own.

                      Wells Fargo most likely wasn't even present. Banks rarely are just like they aren't when foreclosed cars are auctioned off. They simply have no reason to be. The County Trustee is representing both them, the county, and the former owner, according to very precise laws. The county trustee goes through 20-50 properties in 1-2 hours for local and out of state banks parcel by parcel very rapidly.

                      Just because you're not familiar with something doesn't necessarily mean the big corporation is screwing the small guy. Sure..that's often true! (Actually so is the small guy screwing the big corporation when he can too!) But it's not occurring here.

                      This country is so wrapped up with protecting the consumer from himself that we can no longer by raw milk from our neighbor, we have to have 47 warning labels on everything we buy, and a huge percentage of the cost of planes, vehicles, bikes and household tools goes for insurance.

                      No, it's not ok to screw a 16 year old girl with an unethical transaction. She's a minor and you're not being honest. But as an adult you are now responsible for yourself... and if you're throwing around $96k and don't know what you're doing... hire a professional.
                      Last edited by MarkL; August 03, 2010, 09:08 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Caveat Emptor: 2nd Mortgage Foreclosures

                        Recently I heard the host of a consumer radio show advise a caller to stay away from court house step sales if he didn't know what he was doing. Now I see why.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Caveat Emptor: 2nd Mortgage Foreclosures

                          Originally posted by sunskyfan View Post
                          "Apparently, unbeknown to us, Wachovia sold us a worthless second mortgage that was part of a piggyback loan made to the" previous owners, Roberta Strand said. "Both loans were originated, signed and recorded on the same date. Rather than foreclose on both loans at the same time, Wachovia chose to foreclose, market and sell the worthless junior lien, purporting it to be the real property, which is what we purchased."

                          Wells Fargo, which owns Wachovia, said in a statement: "We believe the foreclosure auction of the property on which the Strand family bid was done correctly, and are confident the legal resolution to this matter will bear that out."
                          Sorry, I am not trying to be thick I am trying to make a point. IF we all spent our time trusting "experts" and hiring professionals to do something we wouldn't have time to produce real product. Honesty and transparency are key in optimizing processes in our complex lives we all in up doing something that is worth while for people living and dying and enjoying life. We gave built an economy based on the principle that if we make things complex we can make more money and/or dump our mistakes on someone else. I can always find an exception that allows me to act in a immoral way. Pointing out the girl is a minor is an example. Does it matter?

                          We can either have a world where a young couple is trying to buy a house and live near their folks so they can live a good life and meet their responsibilities or we can live in a world where we create markets where this people can screw up their lives and them and their parents become wards of the state. I think we have tried the later world and it rots around our neck and we can't stand the smell. Yes, I am exaggerating a bit here but I am reaching for clarity. Which world do you want to live in?

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                          • #14
                            Re: Caveat Emptor: 2nd Mortgage Foreclosures

                            Originally posted by sunskyfan View Post
                            Sorry, I am not trying to be thick I am trying to make a point. IF we all spent our time trusting "experts" and hiring professionals to do something we wouldn't have time to produce real product. Honesty and transparency are key in optimizing processes in our complex lives we all in up doing something that is worth while for people living and dying and enjoying life. We gave built an economy based on the principle that if we make things complex we can make more money and/or dump our mistakes on someone else. I can always find an exception that allows me to act in a immoral way. Pointing out the girl is a minor is an example. Does it matter?

                            We can either have a world where a young couple is trying to buy a house and live near their folks so they can live a good life and meet their responsibilities or we can live in a world where we create markets where this people can screw up their lives and them and their parents become wards of the state. I think we have tried the later world and it rots around our neck and we can't stand the smell. Yes, I am exaggerating a bit here but I am reaching for clarity. Which world do you want to live in?
                            My mind is with MarkL - but my heart is with Sunskyfan.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Caveat Emptor: 2nd Mortgage Foreclosures

                              I've been to these auctions before and its always a caveat emptor type event, no one will guarantee anything and its up to you to educate yourself.... You dont need a lawyer for each and every event, you just need to know how to look at chain of title and see if you are buying the first lien or the second and if there are any other encumberances or what not..... Majority of these auctions at this point are a waste of time, bc everything is underwater and there is no equity.... So, i stopped going.

                              But rule of thumb... Never ever buy the second, bc you will have to pay off the first; first on title has precedent.... Thats just how it works...

                              It aint rocket science.... But its not like going to Edward Jones and asking them to pick an investment for you....

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