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    The Submarine Deals That Helped Sink Greece

    ATHENS—As Greece slashes spending to avoid default, it hasn't moved to skimp on one area: defense.

    The deeply indebted Mediterranean nation, whose financial crisis roiled the global financial system this year, is spending more than a billion euros on two submarines from Germany.

    It's also looking to spend big on six frigates and 15 search-and-rescue helicopters from France. In recent years, Greece has bought more than two dozen F16 fighter jets from the U.S. at a cost of more than €1.5 billion.

    Much of the equipment comes from Germany, the country that has had to shoulder most of the burden of bailing out Greece and has been loudest in condemning Athens for living beyond its means. German Chancellor Angela Merkel has admonished the Greek government "to do its homework" on debt reduction.

    The military deals illustrate how Germany and other creditors have in some ways benefited from Greece's profligacy, and how that is coming back to haunt them.

    Greece, with a population of just 11 million, is the largest importer of conventional weapons in Europe—and ranks fifth in the world behind China, India, the United Arab Emirates and South Korea. Its military spending is the highest in the European Union as a percentage of gross domestic product. That spending was one of the factors behind Greece's stratospheric national debt.

    The German submarine deal in particular, announced in March as the country lurched toward bankruptcy, has cast a spotlight on the Greek military budget and on the foreign vendors supplying the hardware. The deal includes a total of six subs in a complicated transaction that began a decade ago with German firms.

    The arms sales are drawing heat from Turkey, Greece's neighbor and arch-rival. "Even those countries trying to help Greece at this time of difficulty are offering to sell them new military equipment," said Egemen Bagis, Turkey's top European Union negotiator, shortly after the sub deal was announced. "Greece doesn't need new tanks or missiles or submarines or fighter planes, neither does Turkey."

    Greece's deputy prime minister, Theodore Pangalos, said during an Athens visit in May by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan that he felt "forced to buy weapons we do not need," and that the deals made him feel "national shame."

    Other European officials have charged France and Germany with making their military dealings with Greece a condition of their participation in the country's huge financial rescue. French and German officials deny the accusations.

    A spokesman for German Chancellor Merkel says the submarine transaction was the culmination of an old contract signed long before Greece's debt crisis. In May, France's defense ministry said Greek authorities have confirmed their willingness to pursue talks on several arm-procurement deals.

    In May, Greece's economic crimes unit began investigating all weapons deals of the past decade—totaling about €16 billion—to determine if Greece overpaid or bought unnecessary
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    Re: The Submarine Deals That Helped Sink Greece

    It should be noted that Greece's net debt is somewhere northwards of $400B.

    The 16 billion euros of defense acquisitions, while substantial, is a tiny fraction of that.

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      Re: The Submarine Deals That Helped Sink Greece

      was the 53yo retirement age for government employees somehow tied to submarine cruises?

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      • #4
        Re: The Submarine Deals That Helped Sink Greece

        Originally posted by jk View Post
        was the 53yo retirement age for government employees somehow tied to submarine cruises?
        Been in countries where Government employees retire at an earlier age than in the US (55 yrs.) The employees absolutely hate the early retirement age. Most cannot get jobs after retirement. There take home pay takes a drastic reduction. Early retirement makes room for new hires.

        Much depends upon the richness of the pension plans, and when a person becomes eligible to participate. And how the pension are going to be paid for. THe Government has the choice of taxing and/or printing. Greece as a part of the EU was/is unable to print -- that leaves only taxation or cutting benefits.

        But as taxation has become a "bogeyman" that makes things very difficult for Governments. The mantra over the last thirty years has been tax the bottom and susidize the top!

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          Re: The Submarine Deals That Helped Sink Greece

          Personally I'll believe that the Greek debt can be attributed to lavish public sector benefits right after I'm convinced that the subprime crisis was caused by a sudden desire by inner-city residents of cities such as Cleveland to lever up massively and so magically draw purveyors of fraudulent mortgages to their doors in droves.

          Cui bono in both cases. In neither is it - so far - the debtors.

          I think the point of Rajiv's original post still stands: creditors and debtors are always in a symbiotic relationship. What seems to change is who has the upper hand relatively in the political discourse. Northern European banks were happy to lend to Greece based on a very self-serving (read self-dealing) paradigm. They should reap what they have sown.

          The fact that the "investment" in question is military hardware is simply icing on the cake. I suspect the logic would apply just as well to all the other hot-money investment that flowed into Greece along with EU membership. (And so I don't see the objection that the amounts in question don't make a significant dent in the overall numbers. The point is: no one's calling for austerity when it comes to these contracts, so what does that tell you?)

          Rule of thumb: when someone's pointing their finger at the most vulnerable to explain a disaster that is the culmination of a progressive and unprecedented concentration of wealth and you buy it, there's something wrong with your model of the world.

          And that's coming from a fiscal conservative.

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            Re: The Submarine Deals That Helped Sink Greece

            the "benefits" were part of the politicians' program to get themselves elected and re-elected. the issue for me isn't the "greed" of people taking the state up on its generous offer, it's the political system that takes advantage of irrationally low interest rates to party on. and the bankers who played interest rate convergence arbitrage on eurozone sovereign debt, and on and on. the submarines are the least of it.

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