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  • Is There Anything in the USA That Isn't Subsidized?

    Cash for Clunkers on top of direct auto bailouts, homebuyer credits, banks on a permanent dole system, subsidies for "green" energy such as ethanol [and most anything else that is "green"], cash to buy white goods appliances, Federal "loans" to States to keep firefighters and other essential service providers employed...can any part of the United States economy actually function "normally" any more?
    AT&T, Verizon get most federal aid for phone service

    July 8, 2010; 5:31 PM ET

    AT&T and Verizon Communications were the biggest recipients of federal support from an $8 billion phone subsidy program, according to data released Thursday by the House Energy and Commerce Committee.

    Over the past three years, AT&T received $1.3 billion in funds to deploy phone lines to rural areas. Verizon got $1.27 billion in the same 2007-09 period.

    Lawmakers and public interest groups are questioning the use of those federal funds, much of which appears to go to wireless services areas where telecom companies would be even without support...

    ...“Subscribers now pay close to 14 percent of their long-distance phone bills to subsidize scores of telephone providers in each geographic market, while other providers are serving the same markets without a penny of support,” Rep. Joe Barton (R-Tex.) said in a statement...

    ...Last year, Verizon tapped the most money from the Universal Service high cost fund, mostly because of its acquisition of Alltel.

    CenturyTel received $931 million, Alltel received $747 million, and Telephone and Data Systems received $661 million from 2007 through 2009.

    Derek Turner, director of policy at the public interest group Free Press, noted that many of those company – including AT&T and Verizon – appeared to use the money for wireless networks. Those companies would have served areas where they received federal subsidies even without the government support, he said.

    “The USF process at the FCC doesn’t ask if money is actually needed to ensure access to those areas,” Turner said. “Some areas have as many as 19 carriers serving it with USF funds...

    And some projects appear too expensive for the number of people served. Westgate Communications in Washington state, for example, runs 17 separate phone lines at a cost averaging $17,000 per line.


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    Re: Is There Anything in the USA That Isn't Subsidized?

    Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
    Is There Anything in the USA That Isn't Subsidized?
    Not since much before WWI -- perhaps much before! Even the railroads and the vaunted railroad barons would not have been possible without subsidies and eminent domain. The homestead act of 1862 was both a subsidy to vested interests, as well as the result of lands acquired after the Mexican American war.

    From Homestead Act (1862)

    Passed on May 20, 1862, the Homestead Act accelerated the settlement of the western territory by granting adult heads of families 160 acres of surveyed public land for a minimal filing fee and 5 years of continuous residence on that land.

    The Homestead Act, enacted during the Civil War in 1862, provided that any adult citizen, or intended citizen, who had never borne arms against the U.S. government could claim 160 acres of surveyed government land. Claimants were required to “improve” the plot by building a dwelling and cultivating the land. After 5 years on the land, the original filer was entitled to the property, free and clear, except for a small registration fee. Title could also be acquired after only a 6-month residency and trivial improvements, provided the claimant paid the government $1.25 per acre. After the Civil War, Union soldiers could deduct the time they had served from the residency requirements.

    Although this act was included in the Republican party platform of 1860, support for the idea began decades earlier. Even under the Articles of Confederation, before 1787, the distribution of government lands generated much interest and discussion.

    The act, however, proved to be no panacea for poverty. Comparatively few laborers and farmers could afford to build a farm or acquire the necessary tools, seed, and livestock. In the end, most of those who purchased land under the act came from areas quite close to their new homesteads (Iowans moved to Nebraska, Minnesotans to South Dakota, and so on). Unfortunately, the act was framed so ambiguously that it seemed to invite fraud, and early modifications by Congress only compounded the problem. Most of the land went to speculators, cattlemen, miners, lumbermen, and railroads. Of some 500 million acres dispersed by the General Land Office between 1862 and 1904, only 80 million acres went to homesteaders. Indeed, small farmers acquired more land under the Homestead Act in the 20th century than in the 19th.

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    • #3
      Re: Is There Anything in the USA That Isn't Subsidized?

      Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
      Is There Anything in the USA That Isn't Subsidized?
      Gold purchases by the citizens?

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      • #4
        Re: Is There Anything in the USA That Isn't Subsidized?

        Originally posted by LargoWinch View Post
        Gold purchases by the citizens?
        You could be wrong on that one too...

        Well, if all the conspiracy theorists are correct then gold purchases are also being subsidized...since the price is allegedly being artifically suppressed by collusion of the major bullion banks, the Federal Reserve, Comex, Barrick Gold, the USA Treasury Department, selected insiders at the White House, Goldman Sachs, JPM, and Barack Obama's grandmother...

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        • #5
          Re: Is There Anything in the USA That Isn't Subsidized?

          Is There Anything in the USA That Isn't Subsidized?
          Healthy food, alternative medicine, ...
          Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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            Re: Is There Anything in the USA That Isn't Subsidized?

            But I keep hearing of this supposed 'unfettered capitalism' and 'free markets'. /s

            No where to be found.

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            • #7
              Re: Is There Anything in the USA That Isn't Subsidized?

              My microbusiness.

              Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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              • #8
                Re: Is There Anything in the USA That Isn't Subsidized?

                Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
                Healthy food, alternative medicine, ...
                Feed for animals gets the largest ag subsidy

                Vegetable crops for human consumption get nothing as far as I know

                Hence a hamburger costs less than a salad although the cost in petro and water to produce meat is much much higher.

                Shifting the subsidies around would go a long way to improve health in this country.

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                • #9
                  Re: Is There Anything in the USA That Isn't Subsidized?

                  Originally posted by neoken View Post
                  Feed for animals gets the largest ag subsidy

                  Vegetable crops for human consumption get nothing as far as I know

                  Hence a hamburger costs less than a salad although the cost in petro and water to produce meat is much much higher.

                  Shifting the subsidies around would go a long way to improve health in this country.
                  From

                  How Subsidies Change Your World



                  I wish the graphic gave you a sense of the numbers involved, but they're in the high hundreds of billions. Wikipedia has a breakdown here. If half of that cash was going to support the sort of sustainable, healthful agriculture society claims to want, the prices of fresh, nutritious food would plummet. For all the talk of the health costs, the most economically rational purchase on earth is a Big Mac. Or possibly a 99 cent double cheeseburger.
                  Also



                  Also - Effect of a Targeted Subsidy on Intake of Fruits and Vegetables Among Low-Income Women in the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children

                  Objectives. Intake of fruits and vegetables protects against several common chronic diseases, and low income is associated with lower intake. We tested the effectiveness of a subsidy for fruits and vegetables to the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC).

                  Methods. Women who enrolled for postpartum services (n=602) at 3 WIC sites in Los Angeles were assigned to an intervention (farmers’ market or supermarket, both with redeemable food vouchers) or control condition (a minimal nonfood incentive). Interventions were carried out for 6 months, and participants’ diets were followed for an additional 6 months.

                  Results. Intervention participants increased their consumption of fruits and vegetables and sustained the increase 6 months after the intervention was terminated (model adjusted R2=.13, P<.001). Farmers’ market participants showed an increase of 1.4 servings per 4186 kJ (1000 kcal) of consumed food (P<.001) from baseline to the end of intervention compared with controls, and supermarket participants showed an increase of 0.8 servings per 4186 kJ (P=.02).

                  Conclusions. Participants valued fresh fruits and vegetables, and adding them to the WIC food packages will result in increased fruit and vegetable consumption.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Is There Anything in the USA That Isn't Subsidized?

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                    Great Graphic, I've been looking for one of these to show people. Another thing is the tariffs on imports of fruits and vegetables from other countries, which increases the cost to consumers.

                    No free market here with all the government planning.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Is There Anything in the USA That Isn't Subsidized?

                      Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                      Is There Anything in the USA That Isn't Subsidized?
                      Humanity
                      The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge ~D Boorstin

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                      • #12
                        Re: Is There Anything in the USA That Isn't Subsidized?

                        Originally posted by chr5648 View Post
                        But I keep hearing of this supposed 'unfettered capitalism' and 'free markets'. /s

                        No where to be found.
                        Exactly. Anyone who says that "free markets" caused the current crisis is totally and utterly clueless.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Is There Anything in the USA That Isn't Subsidized?

                          Originally posted by lsa420 View Post
                          Exactly. Anyone who says that "free markets" caused the current crisis is totally and utterly clueless.
                          Could you point me to one time in history, when "Free Markets" existed?

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                          • #14
                            Re: Is There Anything in the USA That Isn't Subsidized?

                            Originally posted by Rajiv View Post
                            Could you point me to one time in history, when "Free Markets" existed?
                            Not in the sense I would define free market, no. US in the late 19th century was probably as close as it's ever been.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Is There Anything in the USA That Isn't Subsidized?

                              Originally posted by lsa420 View Post
                              Not in the sense I would define free market, no. US in the late 19th century was probably as close as it's ever been.
                              See my post above

                              You call the "Homestead Act", the subsidies for railroad development, the "Mexican American War", the "Indian Wars", the "Spanish American War", the "Alaska Purchase", the "Louisiana Purchase" acts of a free market?

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